Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
We can do that without being relegated.
Quite honest I find this talk of relegation being such a wonderful thing a bit strange. In the unlikely event it happened, there is no guarantee we would bounce back straight away.
And it would be catastrophic for our finances.
We will stay in the PL and maybe finish mid table at least.
Our squad is bad we get it but I don’t think it’s as bad as it’s showing, confidence is a wonderful thing and with it some of these players will be alright.
Martinez, Mainoo, Maz etc all are victims of an underperforming, confident empty team.
The likes of Dalot can go along with a fair few others but I have faith in some of them to pick up when Amorim gets it right.
As I’ve said previously now that the main cluster of games is out of the way and time can be allocated to carrington I think we will start to see an upturn.
Martinez, Mainoo, Maz etc all are victims of an underperforming, confident empty team.
The likes of Dalot can go along with a fair few others but I have faith in some of them to pick up when Amorim gets it right.
As I’ve said previously now that the main cluster of games is out of the way and time can be allocated to carrington I think we will start to see an upturn.
If Amorim is purposely fecking up then he needs fired. We may get one wingback in this window or the summer, but not much more.
He will never be in a position to replace the majority of this first team within the next one year. We need to deal with reality here. He should stick by his footballing principles and I will back this, but he needs to slightly adapt the working plan to the situation. The 343 doesn't need abandoning, it needs some tweaking to manage our squad weaknesses for now.
Timing is everything. If he goes too idealistic to drive complete change where it simply cannot be done at this time, he will fail.
I’m willing to ride out this season to be honest, he’s come in midseason with a game essentially every 3 days and has managed probably 5 full training sessions before this week.
We aren’t going to get relegated, we weren’t going to secure top 4 and still have a chance with the Europa league.
Really need a LWB in the transfer window at the very least.
We aren’t going to get relegated, we weren’t going to secure top 4 and still have a chance with the Europa league.
Really need a LWB in the transfer window at the very least.
If we get one wingback this window/summer and that’s it, we are screwed, regardless of who is the manager.
Then we are probably screwed. Unless we pluck one on loan or from the youth teams, we do not have the capabilities to sign 2 or 3 £50 million rated wingbacks.
It's also a big risk for us because if Amorim does not work out, the next manager probably has no use for wingbacks because they are so niche.
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We're not getting relegated. There's an abundence of drama queens in here. Chelsea were in an extemely similar position this time last year and they turned it around quite quickly. Also had 22 points from 18 games but stuck with Poch (until the summer). Have a little faith in the manager.
Happy new year!!
Thank you very much for this.
These videos put into perspective why we are currently struggling and why training is needed.
Going from Ten Hag (players (free roaming) to a more structured and fixed position for players is going to take a while but I have no doubt that over time it will happen.
I really think Amorim needs to start looking at U21s/U18s to see where he can introduce some youngsters. I know physically they may struggle to compete but they are bound to give us some improvement of the current non-performing seniors. Quite frankly, no matter how often I see Dalot play, I know his attacking contribution is always nil and he's no better defending either. Similarly, we can use some youth players in attacking areas, they surely cannot be worse than what we have seen for the first 4 months of the season?
Your posts are generally spiteful and obnoxious, he's a United legend and his opinion is just as valid as the rest...
Well we did have a decent bounce with Ruud though. The team’s bad but not 14th bad. The current formation exposes our lacking midfield and weak attack whilst nullifying good players like Maz who’s a woeful wingback/centerback but a great RB. I realize it’s shortsighted but I’m sick to death of our losing streaks
Happy New Year.
We are seeing the same inexplicable ups and downs in player performance we have seen under the previous coach. Newcastle strolled through our midfield; no one was stepping in. No one taking responsibility.
We need a few upgrades/additions: players that can make a difference. They are running around at other smaller PL teams. I‘m thinking a player like Cunha, Kudus or Eze to play one of the 10 positions.
We also need a great striker: Højlund and ZZ are still learning the ropes. We really fecked up not getting one for three years running.
We are seeing the same inexplicable ups and downs in player performance we have seen under the previous coach. Newcastle strolled through our midfield; no one was stepping in. No one taking responsibility.
We need a few upgrades/additions: players that can make a difference. They are running around at other smaller PL teams. I‘m thinking a player like Cunha, Kudus or Eze to play one of the 10 positions.
We also need a great striker: Højlund and ZZ are still learning the ropes. We really fecked up not getting one for three years running.
Stick Amad back at RWB. It won’t solve all our problems but it will solve some. We’ve won most games with him there and even the ones we didn’t win we scored in because we had someone carrying the ball from that position.
Biggest worry with Amorim is certainly defence, realistically United only needs a replacement for Martinez between De Ligt, Yoro, Maz (who's the best at RCB) and Maguire (who's played well in this system for England) there's enough quality for it to not be a position of concern.
But despite the dynamism of defenders, there are soo many errors in play with goals being conceded from a positional standpoint, even if Ruben gets his wingbacks, it could alternately make the defence worse as the wingbacks in theory should be pushing further up the field.
The lack of goals in the squad is attributed to player quality in attack, but the defence is a massive issue and provisionally on paper, 3 at the back with wider players covering the flanks should mean the team are more robust defensively.
All in all if Amorim can't get the defence to be solid now it's almost a guarantee that it will be the same even with investment into the squad because it's an area of the pitch that requires the least amount of attention.
But despite the dynamism of defenders, there are soo many errors in play with goals being conceded from a positional standpoint, even if Ruben gets his wingbacks, it could alternately make the defence worse as the wingbacks in theory should be pushing further up the field.
The lack of goals in the squad is attributed to player quality in attack, but the defence is a massive issue and provisionally on paper, 3 at the back with wider players covering the flanks should mean the team are more robust defensively.
All in all if Amorim can't get the defence to be solid now it's almost a guarantee that it will be the same even with investment into the squad because it's an area of the pitch that requires the least amount of attention.
Agreed. If we do get relegated, I fear it may be a while before we taste success
He needs to get the height up and get some experienced defenders who have high energy and a bit of 90's, Seria A style sh**housery. Can't have soft defenders in the league. Martinez has gone vegan he isn't a butcher any more.
Ruben needs to calm down with Dalot and Bruno on our left, may as well put 2.lamposts in those positions. Teams don't fear that side and double down on Amad and the right.
Ruben needs to calm down with Dalot and Bruno on our left, may as well put 2.lamposts in those positions. Teams don't fear that side and double down on Amad and the right.
But mostly they are converted wingers, otherwise the type of LWB we will sign is someone like Ait Nouri/Kerkez who could move into a back 4 shape anyway.
It's clearly not that easy to convert between wingback and fullback right? Otherwise, we would just focus on converting what we have without the need to buy specialists.
I don't think people realise how devastating relegation is, both from a financial perspective and also from a reputational point of view. It's not as trivial as 'oh let's just get relegated, get rid of the overpaid primadonnas and the Glazers too hopefully, and then clean slate'.
Firstly there's no guarantee we'll bounce right back up, and secondly we'll lose the prestige and pull of being a massive club. This isn't a Juve situation where they went down on the back of a scandal and had a few excellent loyal players who stuck it out in Serie B for a season. We'll instead be the laughing stock that spent billions and deservedly went down for being a laughing stock on the pitch. Good luck trying to pull genuine talents here after that.
Look at what it's done to Leeds, they've spent the vast majority of the last few decades outside of the premier league, likewise for Forrest.
Firstly there's no guarantee we'll bounce right back up, and secondly we'll lose the prestige and pull of being a massive club. This isn't a Juve situation where they went down on the back of a scandal and had a few excellent loyal players who stuck it out in Serie B for a season. We'll instead be the laughing stock that spent billions and deservedly went down for being a laughing stock on the pitch. Good luck trying to pull genuine talents here after that.
Look at what it's done to Leeds, they've spent the vast majority of the last few decades outside of the premier league, likewise for Forrest.
That sounds fecking awful.
Christ can we stop willing relegation into existence? It's not the fairytale escape from the Glazers we think it is.
I actually like Rashford, so there is that too.I love the disingenuous ‘I have to admit…’, as if you don’t have a long-held agenda against Amorim, and won’t find any excuse to have a go at him, even going so far as sticking up for Rashford
Amad back at RWB, Maz, De Ligt, Maguire CB trio, bring Garnacho back in with Bruno as the dual 10s.
The LWB and ST positions will be a known issue sadly.
The LWB and ST positions will be a known issue sadly.
Don’t think it has to be specialist per se, just our options are terrible, especially for the LWB position, Malacia is worthless, Dalot is clearly not comfortable there.
We have Diallo/Antony for the right side and I imagine sooner rather than later one of them will end up there.
LWB for me is a huge priority as Daot kills a lot of our attacks down that side and he doesn’t seem to want two inverted full backs.
Three proper training sessions this week?
They also might not play with a 10, and we need 3-4 of them
Sporting offered Amorim to us? Hard to believe.
Unpopular opinion. I don't see too many differences between Amorim and ten Hag. Poor results, and cliche interviews in poor english. More importantly, they both force a formation without suitable players. Amorim is even worse than ten Hag in this sense. Like he knows only 3-4-3 and cannot see that with these set of players simply impossible to get a good result. Horrible. I don't see his plan, as most likely he's gonna have to stick with these players as we don't have money to sign new ones without breaching FFP and FSR rules. I support him still, but if he won't change we're gonna get relegated. Absolutely awful.
likely just means he was there for the taking
If the reality is that he's had so few full training sessions due to the fixture schedule and internationals, then he has made a catastrophic error in lining the team up with the tactics and formation deployed. I totally get the excuse of having no pre season, but surely in that scenario where you cannot train the players to new methods - you don't send them on the pitch to new methods? He should have played to where the players feel most comfortable in a 4231 counter attack, and sought to impose the new strategies when training sessions became more regular. So it is poor management in my opinion
I agree that if we buy one WB it would be for the left side. However, Malacia is the one I'm hoping can be trained. He's hardly played since joining us so isn't really nailed to any specific thinking within this team. He's still young and got quite a bit of energy to do all the required running and should be a clean enough slate to try new things (in theory).
I also agree that Dalot should not be anywhere near the left side. I have no idea why both ETH and Amorim thinks he can do a great job there.
believing Alex Crook in 2025
Nah he's already addressed that already. These players have proven to suck in previous formations so not like that would magically be the answer. And even during the Newcastle game he has the players in the right positions they just aren't doing the basics right. Wingbacks are out wide and should easily be able to stop that cross coming in. 3 CBs in the middle should be able to deal with the cross coming in since they have the numbers. These players need to buck up and start doing their damn jobs. feck these formation excuses they are supposedly top players in the world they can figure out the fecking basics
I thought we turned down the chance to sign him in summer as his release clause was a lot higher than what we've just paid?