Trust the process. I have 100% trust in the manager. We have poor squad but in some games we actually didn't play poor. We conceded probably 3/4 goals from set pieces, or individual errors. Not to mention goals with lucky deflections landing perfectly to opposing attackers, two or three goals with fouls against our goalkeeper not given etc. Not to mention we are an absolute abomination when converting chances we have probably 2/10 conversion rate at best. And teams of course raising game when facing United (Wolves played like it is the last game of their lives). Give manager some players of his choosing in January and results will pick up. A summer without distractions, a solid summer transfers, and a year without any european football and we could start to see something resembling what Amorim wants.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Worked out a treat for us
Yes - and we have done the very same thing many times in the post-SAF era, against better teams (last obvious example being the FA Cup final).
The question is whether we should abandon this approach altogether - and just focus on becoming the team others need to beat (by pulling a successful underdog tactic of some kind or another).
Or - should Amorim do what pretty much everyone (except maybe LVG) have done...namely to ditch the actual (preferred) tactic in favour of a more pragmatic one every so often...more and more often...until it becomes the default?
Simplistic - yes, I know.
But if you ask me, we should absolutely suffer whatever hits it takes to make us a well-drilled team.
Well, as long as the guy doing the drilling knows what he's doing (of course). But I must say that I like Amorim - I don't fully trust him, but I like him. Not least because he's said pretty much explicitly that it's going to be painful - that we're going to struggle to a considerable degree before things take a turn for the better.
Ole lost 5-0
Rangnick lost 4-0
Ten Hag lost 7-0
Rangnick lost 4-0
Ten Hag lost 7-0
It did prior to Wolves game. The last two games, not really.
suprised i cannot to see Amorim Sack Watch or Amorin IN/OUT thread
He did, yeah - and personally that's exactly what I want to hear given the circumstances.
My main issue with Amorim is the balance is wrong, too many defensive players. Which as we all know doesn't mean the defense is better. Often times it leads to unbalanced play with the opposition team attacking more and better cuz we can't attack well.
The best I think we've played under Amorim was against Bodo in the 2nd half when we had Casemiro at CB with Shaw LCB and Mazraoui at RCB.... Kept the ball brilliantly, controlled the match. Doesn't mean we should forget the defenders but shows how controlling the match is key and the more proper footballers in the side the better.
The best I think we've played under Amorim was against Bodo in the 2nd half when we had Casemiro at CB with Shaw LCB and Mazraoui at RCB.... Kept the ball brilliantly, controlled the match. Doesn't mean we should forget the defenders but shows how controlling the match is key and the more proper footballers in the side the better.
Should focus on your play time in Italy instead, De Gea.
I wouldn’t waste your breath - you’re debating someone who steadfastly refuses to see anything negative in what Rashford does.
It’s no manager that will not make mistakes. Everyone human makes them.
All in all I believe in him and his way of playing. It’s not going to be champagne football this season, but that’s okay for me.
And with or without Amorim, this fecking club need a renewal. A complete overhaul.
As i said, Ruud had some soft games, bar Chelsea, who did not come to OT with very much that night.
And as i pointed out, these players would likely give up on a caretaker manager when the going gets tough. Too many of them are downhill runners.
You have made many posts on this thread, but can't seem to explain why Amorims tactics or system is costing us?
Does the system make Maz hack down a Bournemouth player from behind to give away a pen?
Does it get Bruno sent off?
Does it cause Onana to get lobbed from a corner or let one in that is going straight down the middle?
Does it make Hojlund or Zirksee not able to control a football?
Does it prevent Martinez from only being 5 foot something and incable of winning a header?
Would another system mean Casemiro and Eriksen were suddenly 26 and in their prime again?
Fact is, under Ten Hag this lot played ad hoc football, which would only ever get them so far - Moments FC. If we are ever to be competitive, they need to learn a system, which isnt easy mid season.
Amorim is learning game by game which players he can potentially take forward. The rest will be on the chopping board.
He is already trying to change the culture by putting his foot down with Rashford. And im hearing some people dont like this now. Some want to bring him back one more time. Without being crude, some of our fans have battered wife syndrome. We think if a player like Rashford gets one more chance he may change! He wont.
Given that ETH was sacked in October, it is better to do that during the season, then have a pre season, sign some players, only to find out that some of the players he saw pre season can't cut it in competitive games.
MUFC would never leave a caretaker in charge for 6 months of the season. When has any club ever allowed that to happen?
It doesn't matter which manager came in or when, or which system he employed. I think we all agree that the vast majority of these players are not good enough to take us forward. That would be the same in a 433 or a 3421.
We are not getting relegated so i would much rather us finish 17th and the manager learn a shit ton about his current squad, then add to it in the summer, then have a caretaker in for 6 months, for us to only finish mid table. 17th or 8th. What is the difference really?
The same Emery who struggled with a similarly mediocre, toxic bunch at Arsenal, and who would be near impossible to prise away now, anyway? And seriously, it’s time to retire meaningless expressions like ‘hipster coach’.
It is true.
People seem to forget we scored 57 goals in the Prem last season. Only 5 more than Luton Town.
We were not exactly a well oiled attacking force under Ten Hag. How could you be with the dross he signed?
This just seems like an extremely ignorant and small minded perspective, to be honest.
Yeah and then we’d finish 8th and you’d get false dawns from the likes of Casemiro, Martinez, and Garnacho. And then those same players (and most of the rest of the squad) would struggle and be confused with implementing Amirim’s ideas during the summer when the club is jetting off on some far away trip; August would roll around, we’d get off to a horrible start, and the cycle would repeat (including the inevitable calls for his sacking.)
Then Rashford is still our top scorer in PL. Since he was binned off, we don't seem to score.
Yeah and I don't want him to submit to the pragmatism of the past. You have to ask yourself what is the actual first step to getting back to the top. It certainly isn't bringing in another manager who'll revert to Ole ball and have a ceiling of top 4 as we've tried that.
Therefore, the only realistic alternatives I can see are a) choose a system and go all-in now (my favoured path or b) slowly build back up by getting, say, a midtable manager now (e.g. Potter) and then the next manager in maybe 2 years time to take us on.
Neither is risk free but I still maintain a) is what we should do.
Who was he supposed to play? Ugarte and Bruno suspended and mainoo woefully out of form. That leaves...
Valid point - and worth mentioning.
It's not like we have a ton of goals just waiting to be unleashed. Most of us (regardless of how we feel about Amorim) agree we need strengthening up front - as in, we need to buy or promote or both, the current options clearly aren't going to score enough goals to win the PL (or anywhere near it).
This whole narrative that he needs an entire squad is so stupid. As if we dont need two CMs, a left back, a right back and a striker anyway. We need replacements no matter what. Why does it matter if you players for Ruben or who ever the next manager is? Its not like Ruben plays with 5 GKs and 5 strikers. We need to replace Eriksen and Casemeiro. We need a striker. We need a left back to replace Shaw/Malacia. We need a right back to replace Dalot.
Exactly. It’s the club that needs the players, not the manager.
The panic button pressing is unreal. People have totally lost their heads.
Almost everyone agreed in the summer. Then we went and signed Zirkzee as our only attacking "threat".
His lack of tactical flexibility is a concern, as well as his erratic team selections. Casemiro and Eriksen as a midfield two reminded me of Ten Hag, he’s been here long enough to foresee that being a failure.
Last night was a bit of a disaster unfortunately. Newcastle could have been 4 up after 20 minutes and then just starting toying with us for the rest of the half. The Eriksen/Cas midfield was as slow as you’d expect, the wingbacks did nothing, Martinez was culpable for both goals and Zirkzee had a shocker.
Of course, I’m not saying that Rashford would have made a difference (albeit he and Garnacho did inspire a comeback in similar circumstances against Villa this time last year). I’m also not saying Amorim has necessarily handled the situation badly but, on what we know, I think it’s a big stretch to say he’s definitely handling it well.
Was he supposed to play Rodri and De Rossi?
People using the Casemiro and Eriksen stick to beat him with like we didn’t have suspensions that totally gutted the midfield. He won’t do it again. Although obviously it was a clear mistake, even with the limited options.
Yes, precisely.
Let's just say that it's hard to imagine any manager/coach coming in and magically turning the current squad into a high-scoring one.
We lack pure firepower.
Very good points. We become the underdogs Vs decent teams and sometimes it works out. It is not really sustainable for long term success though and it doesn't really work against the lesser teams.
Lets also recognise that even under SAF there was times when he knew we were outgunned and played accordingly.
I was at the 2008 semi V Barca when Scholes scored in front of me and the K stand. We parked the bus that night.
Amorim has to stick to his principles. I wouldn't mind if he was adapting his principles to take over an already well oiled machine who were near top of the league, but he isn't. He is taking over a shit squad that is over paid and underperforming. And we all know most will be heading out of the door in the next year or so anyway.
To me, it feels like a parent, who is doing all the right things, being told by some mums group on the internet to change his or her ways because your kid is acting up. No, feck that. The kid can change his ways if he/she wants to live in my house.
I agree with him but its not as black white as that. He could tweak the formation without going 4231 counter attack. It can have all the hallmarks of his team and style with a different starting formation base.
Also, what guarantees does Amorim has that 343 will deliver success to us.
People are arguing as if Amorim is some Pep who has delivered 4 straight PL title with a treble on the way to us.
Amorim is a 39 year old fella, with small experience. It might work out, it may fail.
Results should determine that not some delusional attachment. Same mistakes people made with ETH.
Let Amorim do his job. Getting results for Manchester United.
Moyes and Ole should never have the for the jobs imo they were not qualified
He dropped Garnacho too dont forget, and he was back in the squad the following week, we didn't have to read about how it was time to move on from him.
You realise that I’m all in favour of us selling him if that’s what the club thinks is best right? I’m just quite keen for that to be the best deal we can get - not a desperate fire sale when we make it look like clubs are doing us a favour taking him off our hands.
Agree, this was a mistake to not have a Mainoo as perhaps a 10 that would drop in to help out.
But it is not like Mainoo is moving around the pitch like prime N'golo Kante. He looks to have come back slow and heavy.
It wouldn't have changed the result and they would still have got bossed by a better midfield 3.
The bigger problem is that you have two midfielders in Casemiro and Eriksen, paid a combined half a million quid a week, who are no longer able to compete in the PL. 26 million a year for these two and they offer next to nothing.
Both would struggle to make a Soccer Aid team. Olly Murs, Robbie Williams or Rylan may get in ahead of them!
Yep plus Mainoo had started 2 games in a row and didnt exactly do great against Bournemouth and Wolves.
An extra midfielder would’ve gone a long way. Guimaraes, Tonali and Joelinton vs Casemiro and Eriksen was a terrible plan. Perhaps it’s the same type of naivety we saw from Ten Hag, coming from a different league and underestimating the quality we have to face week in week out.