Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Doracle]

I was ill yesterday, so couldn't watch the game, but any talk of sacking him is completely radio rental.
We'll suffer the next two games as well no doubt, but we were warned we'd get worse before we get better and now its happening people are losing their shit.
Stick with the guy and at least give him a chance. He'd rather have waited until the summer, those reasons are becoming clearer now.
He's handling the Rashford situation well and at least he isn't ETH and abandoning all principles after a couple of shit results.
We aren't getting relegated, so it doesn't really matter if we finish 10th or 17th.
See what happens in the summer and if we start next season still not performing then by all means get rid in November/December time, but anything before that is utterly crazy.

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he’s handling the Rashford situation well. That’s just seen as the case because Rashford is the poster boy on here for the team’s failings.

If you look at the position properly, he’s ostracised a player who scored 3 times in his first two league matches, for very confusing reasons. Since dropping Rashford from the starting 11 in the league, we have lost 6 out of 7 matches. We haven’t scored in the last 3 games, whilst looking no better defensively. His approach is also frankly tanking Rashford’s value, in circumstances where it appears we want to sell him asap.

Now, there may be behind the scenes issues we are unaware of. However, on the face of it Amorim made a huge decision (generating massive unneeded publicity) and, so far, it’s gone absolutely disastrously wrong.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Of course it is a big finishing 10th instead of 14th, there could be up to £20m of money difference between the 2 standings.
Ineos is reducing costs as much as possible so do you not think finishing at a rank that's gonna cause more financial pressure won't be a massive issue for them ?

Open heart surgery has never meant it's meaningless to finish at any rank above 18th place.

I think it's 3 million quid for each position in the league. So 14th to 10th would be about 12m. Yes not peanuts I know, but in the grand scheme of things, it's more important to weed out the shit players now rather than trying to shithouse an extra 3 or 4 places higher in the league.

 

[The Purley King]

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he’s handling the Rashford situation well. That’s just seen as the case because Rashford is the poster boy on here for the team’s failings.

If you look at the position properly, he’s ostracised a player who scored 3 times in his first two league matches, for very confusing reasons. Since dropping Rashford from the starting 11 in the league, we have lost 6 out of 7 matches. We haven’t scored in the last 3 games, whilst looking no better defensively. His approach is also frankly tanking Rashford’s value, in circumstances where it appears we want to sell him asap.

Now, there may be behind the scenes issues we are unaware of. However, on the face of it Amorim made a huge decision (generating massive unneeded publicity) and, so far, it’s gone absolutely disastrously wrong.

I wouldn’t say so at all.
Results wise yes it’s been poor and although I couldn’t watch last night I think we’ve had a better control of games in general but have been weak in both boxes.
If rashford ends up leaving in January Amorim will have handled that situation well.

 

[Steve 007]

Amorim is somewhat charismatic, but I feel that there's a language barrier and he sometimes doesn't know how to convey his ideas into words. He's no Slot.
Let's see how he will handles the English media. I think the worst is yet to come.

Slot inherited a team of winners. They finished 3rd but gelled a new midfield

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he’s handling the Rashford situation well. That’s just seen as the case because Rashford is the poster boy on here for the team’s failings.

If you look at the position properly, he’s ostracised a player who scored 3 times in his first two league matches, for very confusing reasons. Since dropping Rashford from the starting 11 in the league, we have lost 6 out of 7 matches. We haven’t scored in the last 3 games, whilst looking no better defensively. His approach is also frankly tanking Rashford’s value, in circumstances where it appears we want to sell him asap.

Now, there may be behind the scenes issues we are unaware of. However, on the face of it Amorim made a huge decision (generating massive unneeded publicity) and, so far, it’s gone absolutely disastrously wrong.

So Rashford who came out after being dropped and said he wants to leave would be in your squad? For all we know he might already be sold or be under a few Saudi bids. The culture is wrong not the manager, anybody that knows anything about change management knows many are resistant to change and therefore it takes some staff (players) longer than others. Amorim is doing it the hard way and that I’m afraid means we are not in a better place with a little sticking plaster over our very wide cracks. I’m convinced this guy is the real deal and convinced he needs time and a better character in his squad.

 

[Red00012]

Really curious who we get in January. Hopefully a left sided Defender (maybe Hernndez), Another midfielder (?) and a striker (?)

We’d be lucky to get one player I reckon

 

[Sarni]

Bold to assume that we won't get relegated, especially on current form.

But yes I'm at the stage where I rather we break it down to build it up again. I am glad that Amorim is sticking to his guns and rather than doing an ETH "Man Utd can't play the [different] way" and we go back to this shit again in a seasons' time.

What I hope to see though is Amorim being bold in implementing his style and will promote youth players who will run through brick walls for him. Much like LvG not hesitating to promote young players just because they can adhere to his philosophy.

Is it bold to presume we are capable of getting 12+ points in the remaining 19 games? I don't think we will need much more, don't see both Wolves and Ipswich finishing on 35+. One of them, yeah, both I doubt.

 

[Socratic]

Can anyone point me to the positives of Amorim's appointment since he came in?
He has strong english and excellent media management but aside from that I'm struggling.

- On a historic run of poor form.
- Managed to dry up what was already a pretty barren attack
- Demoted our highly sought after set piece coach, replaced him with his mate and served a disasterclass since
- Publicly denigrated the ability and quality of the squad
- Alienated our key attacking players this season (I know some of you like the Rashford treatment)
- Set/allowed expectations that Utd would lose games

 

[astracrazy]

Neither do I, look I had not long been awake and read it wrong. I apologise

it's ok bud

 

[RyRy11]

He wasn’t, though. You’ve just made that up.

What was it then because I hope it wasn't to languish in midtable or potentially be relegated?

 

[Westerkerk]

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he’s handling the Rashford situation well. That’s just seen as the case because Rashford is the poster boy on here for the team’s failings.

If you look at the position properly, he’s ostracised a player who scored 3 times in his first two league matches, for very confusing reasons. Since dropping Rashford from the starting 11 in the league, we have lost 6 out of 7 matches. We haven’t scored in the last 3 games, whilst looking no better defensively. His approach is also frankly tanking Rashford’s value, in circumstances where it appears we want to sell him asap.

Now, there may be behind the scenes issues we are unaware of. However, on the face of it Amorim made a huge decision (generating massive unneeded publicity) and, so far, it’s gone absolutely disastrously wrong.

You said it yourself, there may be stuff going on behind the scenes we are unaware of, and there probably is.

Rashford has been dropped before, for both footballing and personal reasons, and he's not kicked on, and in at least one case IIRC was brought back too soon, thus not learning any type of lesson. He's a confused footballer. Doesn't finish. Doesn't take the ball past people. Doesn't link up play well. Sulks, and looks generally miserable despite earning millions. Like Sancho and Lingard, there's a toxicity to him that at some point a manager just has to deal with. These coddled players aren't world beaters who have license to act however they want. They've had a hand in throwing a succession of managers under the bus.

 

[Posh Red]

What was it then because I hope it wasn't to languish in midtable or potentially be relegated?

Well unless you’ve spoken to the decision makers at the club, we can’t say. My guess is to start working on making the club better in the long term, but that’s just a guess.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What was it then because I hope it wasn't to languish in midtable or potentially be relegated?

We hired him because we (belatedly) accepted we were going nowhere with ETH and it made sense to give his replacement as long as possible to work with the players before his first full season in charge. We also probably needed to move quickly in case someone else tried to hire him while we were pissing around with interims.

 

[Sarni]

He's as safe as he can potentially be given the circumstances, however it does not mean he will be completely immune. After Liverpool and Arsenal we have a few winnable games: Southampton (H), Brighton (H), Fulham (A), Palace (H) and Spurs (A) in the next 5. He has to win at least 7-8 points in these at bare minimum, e.g. if he loses all 5 or gets only 2-3 points his job will definitely not be safe anymore.

 

[Westerkerk]

What was it then because I hope it wasn't to languish in midtable or potentially be relegated?

Maybe it was a more long-sighted view to actually bring about tangible change to a club that has repeatedly made bad decision after bad decision over the last decade, with an acceptance that a reset is needed in order to make... you know... actual positive long term change that sets us up better for the future?

The "process", whatever it has been, thus far has failed. It's fine to admit that and start again whilst also not expecting to finish in the top 4 this season and forward planning for that.

How far we are dragged into a relegation battle depends on a lot of factors. It is not decided before the turn of the calendar year however much the anger around it swells your nether regions.

There's a lot to be learned, a lot of progress that can be made, and a lot of football to play.

 

[PES6]

When Amorim was appointed, it was understood that he would need time to implement his own system. This wasn’t about parachuting in a manager to work with a squad already tailored to his approach, nor was there an expectation for him to prioritise short-term results over long-term development—unlike Ten Hag, who in his first season focused on results rather than building a foundation for a sustainable playing style.

The struggles we’re seeing now should not come as a surprise. Personally, I believe adding a couple of quality wing-backs could make a significant difference in helping Amorim’s system take shape. These aren’t prohibitively expensive positions to fill; you don’t need to spend £70-80 million to bring in high-level players. The solution is well within reach. Offloading a few players or even sending someone like Rashford out on loan to reduce the wage bill could provide the funds needed. It’s a manageable fix to a pressing issue, and I’d be surprised if the club’s executives haven’t already identified some quality wing-backs to target in this transfer window.

This season’s league position isn’t the most important thing. The priority is to secure enough wins to eliminate any risk of relegation, then focus entirely on embedding Amorim’s philosophy and building for next season. I was willing to accept Ten Hag sacrificing results in his first season to develop a modern, possession-based style, but he instead prioritised results. That approach left us with a system that couldn’t evolve into one capable of winning the league or competing for the Champions League. While it delivered a solid first season on paper, it set the club up for failure in the long run.

Amorim, however, is taking a different path, and INEOS fully understand this—it’s why they hired him. This long-term vision is the difference, and it’s what we need to back moving forward.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He's as safe as he can potentially be given the circumstances, however it does not mean he will be completely immune. After Liverpool and Arsenal we have a few winnable games: Southampton (H), Brighton (H), Fulham (A), Palace (H) and Spurs (A) in the next 5. He has to win at least 7-8 points in these at bare minimum, e.g. if he loses all 5 or gets only 2-3 points his job will definitely not be safe anymore.

Yup. And if he wins four out of those five (which is definitely possible) then we’re pushing for European football and relegation threat basically disappears. Which is why the inevitable moaning if/when we lose our next two games is so pointless.

 

[Hester_manc]

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he’s handling the Rashford situation well. That’s just seen as the case because Rashford is the poster boy on here for the team’s failings.

If you look at the position properly, he’s ostracised a player who scored 3 times in his first two league matches, for very confusing reasons. Since dropping Rashford from the starting 11 in the league, we have lost 6 out of 7 matches. We haven’t scored in the last 3 games, whilst looking no better defensively. His approach is also frankly tanking Rashford’s value, in circumstances where it appears we want to sell him asap.

Now, there may be behind the scenes issues we are unaware of. However, on the face of it Amorim made a huge decision (generating massive unneeded publicity) and, so far, it’s gone absolutely disastrously wrong.

I have to admit that the Rashford situation seems odd to me too. Amorim had been here for less than a month as he drops Rashford from the squad. How much might Amorim have tried in these weeks before deciding Rashford was unusable? And as you say, Rashford even scored goals under Amorim in the 2 first matches, so it was not all bad.

There is no doubt that Rashford has a problem with his motivation, but I don't see how Amorim can come to the conclusion in just a few weeks that the best thing for the team will be for Rashford not to be in the squad. But as you say, things may have happened that we don't know about.

 

[r0663664]

Just starting dropping these players, tell their agent to find them a new club. Amorim should start handing younger players a chance.

 

[astracrazy]

I don't think it's that odd. Many managers are able to switch between different formations. When van Gaal was with us he was able to switch from 3 at the back to 4 and keep his system/philosophy intact.

So fans are asking this question in the expectation or hope that Amorim might be able to show this kind of flexibility in his formation, given that our players are looking horribly unsuited to 5-2-2-1. However, it seems Amorim pretty inflexible when it comes to formation, and it's becoming increasing obvious that the formation IS the system. That's quite worrying because as much as we can say he needs to be able to bring in players, he actually needs to make it to the summer for that to happen. At the moment, with this set of players being shoehorned into this formation, we look like every side we play can and will beat us, so something needs to change. Amorim seems to be banking on having more training sessions and being able to train the likes of Mazraoui and Dalot into passable Premier League wingbacks. His latest comments confirm that all our eggs are in this basket.

You're example of LvG is the reverse of what you want to happen here. LvG fell back to what he knew after a failed experiment of a 352 system, of which he fell upon just before the WC because he had no choice. He had success with it and tried to implement it here, it didn't work so he fell back to what he knew. You are asking Amorim to move from something he knows to something unfamiliar.

This is a situation Amorim has been thrown into. He is and has always been upfront in his belief in his system - I'm not sure why it is a surprise to you that he "seems inflexible". It isn't news. He and Ineos would have known we didn't have the players for it, yet Ineos still gave him a take it or leave it offer. Amorim didn't want to move mid season. In that situation everyone involved must have known how this was going to go down in the short term, and Amorim even told us so in his first press conference.

It's kind of difficult to understand why anyone would then use this situation with a stick to beat him with. The guys sticking to what he knows and why he was brought in.

Yes, he said they have only really had about 4 training sessions since his arrival. I fully expect we will see an improvement in the coming weeks.

 

[Hester_manc]

Just starting dropping these players, tell their agent to find them a new club. Amorim should start handing younger players a chance.

Do you really want to introduce the young talents at a time when the club is in a historic crisis? I think it would be too much responsibility to put on them right now.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

He wasn’t, though. You’ve just made that up.

If he wasn’t, which certainly appeared the case considering we were what? 4-5 points off top four when he arrived, with Ruud starting us on a roll, then it might honestly be the most monumentally stupid decision the board has made since Fergie, and feck me that’s saying something.

If the plan was to absolutely crash this season for some idea of short term pain, long term gain, they have literally put the club’s financial future at risk.

It’s clear to me they hoped Amorim would hit the ground running and make something of this season, else they’d have kept Ruud and brought Amorim in June to start his rebuild.

 

[gaffs]

I have to admit that the Rashford situation seems odd to me too. Amorim had been here for less than a month as he drops Rashford from the squad. How much might Amorim have tried in these weeks before deciding Rashford was unusable? And as you say, Rashford even scored goals under Amorim in the 2 first matches, so it was not all bad.

There is no doubt that Rashford has a problem with his motivation, but I don't see how Amorim can come to the conclusion in just a few weeks that the best thing for the team will be for Rashford not to be in the squad. But as you say, things may have happened that we don't know about.

How is it that difficult to understand?
Rashford isn't putting the same effort in as others - on the pitch or in training. He gets dropped from the squad for the City game (over a month after Amorim takes charge so he has had plenty of time to asses). A couple of days later, rather than getting his head down, Rashford tell the press he is "ready for a new challenge".

Do you really want that guy in your squad? Especially given he is one of your top earners.

As Andy Mitten said....

“Every previous manager has had issues with Marcus Rashford. I’ve spoken to them, I know them. They’ve told me in confidence going back years and years and years.”

We want a manager who will come in and change the culture. When he makes moves to do so, we question him.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Yup. And if he wins four out of those five (which is definitely possible) then we’re pushing for European football and relegation threat basically disappears. Which is why the inevitable moaning if/when we lose our next two games is so pointless.

Yeah, it looks bleak right now (all the shite "records" he's setting is obviously not a great look, let's say, cosmetically) - but it is very much possible for him to turn this around.

I'm on board with the "open heart surgery" idea myself. Whether he's the one to do it (or rather help doing it - because the people above him are more important in that regard) remains to be seen, of course. And I don't blame anyone for being skeptical/not overly patient. We, as United fans, have no very solid reason for trusting either Amorim or the people who hired him - we're very much in uncharted waters as far as I'm concerned.

But for now - he needs more time, simple as that.

 

[astracrazy]

I have to admit that the Rashford situation seems odd to me too. Amorim had been here for less than a month as he drops Rashford from the squad. How much might Amorim have tried in these weeks before deciding Rashford was unusable? And as you say, Rashford even scored goals under Amorim in the 2 first matches, so it was not all bad.

There is no doubt that Rashford has a problem with his motivation, but I don't see how Amorim can come to the conclusion in just a few weeks that the best thing for the team will be for Rashford not to be in the squad. But as you say, things may have happened that we don't know about.

I think you can come to the conclusion pretty quickly if you are Amorim. The trouble for Rashford is that all his problems with EtH and other managers was well publicised. Unless Amorim was living under a rock then he would have been aware of how Rashford is or could be.

It looks as if it didn't take long for Rashford to prove his conceptions of him to be more right than wrong. In which case, if you are Amorim, why bother trying to go down the same path as the previous managers. His out.

 

[erikcred]

In recent games we have faced teams that are are playing to, or very close to, their absolute peak, in Forest, Bournemouth and Newcastle. Wolves was about 50/50 until Bruno got sent off. I don't think Amorims system was the reason for these losses. Remember some of the awful mistakes that led to the goals we conceded. Are they because of system?

True. Forest, Bournemouth and Newcastle at home were fixtures against teams in the close-to-peak-playing category. Unlucky to play them, especially at home.

Obviously, any games against City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are free hits. Zero expectations. Any points are a bonus.

Villa, Spurs, Brighton are lower in the table, but when we play them, these would be classed as a CL side, a EL side and a bogey-team, so can't expect anything there either.

Our only hope seems to be the lower half of the table and that they don't turn up with a close-to-peak player like Cunha.

 

[DSG]

Come on. Mourinho was easily our most successful manager after Fergie and it isn't even debateable. That was the only time where we felt on the verge of potentially challenging for the league. He also won the Europa. league. Also our highest league finish since Fergie on 81 points.

Maybe you’re right. He was such an ass though. Always enjoyed Ole’s consistently positive outlook. That 6-8 month period of Marcus, Martial and Mason was fun.

 

[gaffs]

If he wasn’t, which certainly appeared the case considering we were what? 4-5 points off top four when he arrived, with Ruud starting us on a roll, then it might honestly be the most monumentally stupid decision the board has made since Fergie, and feck me that’s saying something.

If the plan was to absolutely crash this season for some idea of short term pain, long term gain, they have literally put the club’s financial future at risk.

It’s clear to me they hoped Amorim would hit the ground running and make something of this season, else they’d have kept Ruud and brought Amorim in June to start his rebuild.

What guarantee have you got the Ruud would have done any better? He won 3 games against absolute dross teams. Two against LCFC which he himself is now seeing just how bad they are. As much as we love him, his managerial pedigree is nothing compared to Amorim.

We know these players are weak willed. You really want to give them a caretaker manager who they know has a limited time at the club? You think that will motivate them?
More likely they would down tools, safe in the knowledge that a new manager would come in over the summer and their slate would be wiped clean.

 

[Jeffthered]

We all knew he needed time and that is what he must be given. As someone on here has previously stated, the remainder of this season is a pre-season.

We simply do not have the quality of players for him, or any manager to work with. Look at that squad! It's a joke!

This time next season is when I will judge him. Rashford is irrelevant, he said he wants to leave, told a journalist before telling his manager. That's unacceptable.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

What guarantee have you got the Ruud would have done any better? He won 3 games against absolute dross teams. Two against LCFC which he himself is now seeing just how bad they are. As much as we love him, his managerial pedigree is nothing compared to Amorim.

?

No guarantee, my point was that Ruud was already seeing results and a turnaround in confidence, including a decent draw v Chelsea. He was also using tactics the players were used to.

Amorim didn’t want to come until the Summer himself and neither ETH nor Ruud looked in risk if relegation. It seems an insane gamble if they brought in Amorim mid-season to risk relegation whilst implementing a completely different system.

 

[Sarni]

Yup. And if he wins four out of those five (which is definitely possible) then we’re pushing for European football and relegation threat basically disappears. Which is why the inevitable moaning if/when we lose our next two games is so pointless.

Exactly. A performance like yesterday won’t win us many games (but we won’t have to play a midfield of two pensioners anymore, hopefully), but I still think playing like we did against Forest and Bournemouth - despite losing both these games - will get us points more often than not.

 

[tomaldinho1]

As long as he learns from what we see, I don't really mind this short term crap.

Eriksen/Case we should never see as the pair again.
He has to risk at least one more attacking WB, Amad, Antony, Garnacho, whoever, we just need something more.

I honestly would love to see Ugarte/Bruno as the pair, with Bruno becoming more of a playmaker from deep (thus negating his awful finishing and desperation to try first time killer balls and playing to his strengths and workrate, he would still get the ball in advanced areas - just look at Case last night) and then put Mainoo/Amad as the 10s. They are beautifully technical and clever players who we want on the ball as much as possible in those advanced areas.

3 CBs + Ugarte is enough defensive protection and then put Dalot RWB and Antony LWB. Both are limited but graft and will be more forward thinking on those sides. Maz as RCB is another sensible move in my opinion. I can't help but think he's come in and tried to get things settled by hoping to nick wins or draws by being quite defensive and it's really not worked. He's got a free pass, let's see a lot more attacking threat from this team.

 

[RedRocket9908]

You have to wonder what they were thinking when they made the decision to hire Ruben in mid-season, they must have known that our current squad does not fit the tactic he uses and there would be no money in January to sign players that could play that way so we would be basically writing off our season.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

 

[tomaldinho1]

You have to wonder what they were thinking when they made the decision to hire Ruben in mid-season, they must have known that our current squad does not fit the tactic he uses and there would be no money in January to sign players that could play that way so we would be basically writing off our season.

I reckon they knew/believed he would go to City with Viana + did not want to PR headlines of how City stole him from United.

 

[gaffs]

True. Forest, Bournemouth and Newcastle at home were fixtures against teams in the close-to-peak-playing category. Unlucky to play them, especially at home.

Obviously, any games against City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are free hits. Zero expectations. Any points are a bonus.

Villa, Spurs, Brighton are lower in the table, but when we play them, these would be classed as a CL side, a EL side and a bogey-team, so can't expect anything there either.

Our only hope seems to be the lower half of the table and that they don't turn up with a close-to-peak player like Cunha.

You are right. I have said it many times when managed by ETH or Ole. We are just not an organized, well structured team. We have not played as a collective for a long time. Teams with lesser players usually look better organized than us. They may be collectively weaker because of lack of talent, but you can see what they are trying to accomplish. Most are compact, hard to score on and press from the front.

We would have to rely on moments to win games from players like Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho who have it in them the ability to do special things. We cant keep replying on that or we will continue to be a Europa league team with the highest wage bill in the league.

After 2.5 years under ETH, not many people could point to many games where the team really played "Ten Hag football".

It is like The Art of War book by Sun Tzu. You can beat a stronger opponent in war with the right strategy. It is exactly what teams like Bournemouth and Forest do to us.

 

[Buster15]

In recent games we have faced teams that are are playing to, or very close to, their absolute peak, in Forest, Bournemouth and Newcastle. Wolves was about 50/50 until Bruno got sent off. I don't think Amorims system was the reason for these losses. Remember some of the awful mistakes that led to the goals we conceded. Are they because of system?

He clearly has to work with what he has. We may, just may, be able to bring in a couple in Jan and get rid of some of the highly paid dross that we have in our squad.

But for me, his long term plan is to play his way. If he finishes 17th and learns that he can move forward with 3, 4 or 5 of these current players in his system and formation, than for me, then something has been achieved.

If he reverts to Ten Hags ad hoc football in a 433 / 4231 and finishes 8th, then what has he really learned?

In January and February, he may actually get some time on the training ground with them and we start to see a little improvement. Very hard to instill much when there are games every few days.

Yes indeed. And to be fair to Amorim, he wanted to delay joining United because he probably knew that he had an almost impossible task with the current squad.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Exactly. A performance like yesterday won’t win us many games (but we won’t have to play a midfield of two pensioners anymore, hopefully), but I still think playing like we did against Forest and Bournemouth - despite losing both these games - will get us points more often than not.

I know many still completely dismiss it - but xG looks alright, I think?

As in - better under A. than under ETH.

Not much, granted - but still, worth noting.

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

Spit the dog and Sky were stirring hard against Amorim last night.

Sad to see so many are swallowing the bait.

He’s had barely any time on the training ground with the squad, we’re currently playing his system in starting line up and a few basic principles only.

He said we would suffer when he got here, was very clear about that. If people stop and think a bit more they might realise that in doing so he’s demonstrated how astute he is.

Give him some credit and let him get on with the job.

 

[Martinez4midfield]

I'm getting a little worried for Amorim, don't think anything is imminent but something not squaring for me. There is another thread about how Ratcliffe is a money hungry greedy bastard.

Then you come in here and the attitude is very. "Who gives a toss? If we lose every game and bomb out of every competition. The most important thing is playing 3 at the back and converting Dalot into a LWB!"

Isn't there financial incentive to finishing high in the table, winning cup competitions? What's more important for Jim? Money or 343?

 

[#07]

I reckon they knew/believed he would go to City with Viana + did not want to PR headlines of how City stole him from United.

Ah the Alexis Sanchez move...