Wing Attack Plan R
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Next comes a heated discussion regarding UFOs.This seems like the kind of back of a fag packet maths that bares no relation to reality.
Next comes a heated discussion regarding UFOs.This seems like the kind of back of a fag packet maths that bares no relation to reality.
The only thing stopping it would be a magical discovery of form. We have half a season to figure it out and get to 40 points, but if this were, say, Game Week 28, we’d surely be going down. People are overloading the miracle wagon thinking several of Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Højlund, are going to stumble into a patch of goals whilst at the same time our defense remembers that whole thing about jumping no longer being illegal.It can actually happen.
This is not a relegation form team in terms of the playing squad. But that is what Amorim has turned us into. And he won't change a thing. Nice guy but he is acting irrationally.
Im hoping not. Wilcox, Berrada and Vivell should be experienced and hopefully wont get fleeced. Lets see though.The crazy thing is a rebuild will cost another 500-600m. RIGHT AFTER we’ve supposedly completed the last rebuild under ten hag.
It’s mental. A bit disappointing that management didn’t select a manager that has a style which would suit our current crop of players. I thought that was the point in having that sporting hierarchy.
I do hope we back Amorim but it’s going to be yet another expensive rebuild if his 3-4-3 doesn’t work.
Again, top where?
What sustainable success has either of the three achieved?
Even Leicester won the league playing Counter attacking "ball over the top to Vardy" football.
Even Pellegrini and Mancini won the league.
Even over the cliff Mourinho did.
I'm starting to get concerned by his lack of pragmatism. He's inherited a terrible squad and has limited options for wingbacks and CMs, but appears to be very stubborn. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt but he's definitely raising eyebrows with some of his decisions
It’s not surprising we instantly looked more competent in the midfield area once Mainoo was subbed in then we at least matched Newcastle on numbers (less so on legs / quality) but we ended up hooking a striker meaning we essentially play one extra defender in place of an attacking player which will obviously lead to a real struggle offensively no matter how good of the players we have in the team.People don't want to accept but it's a system issue. Same as we had with ETH ( 4141). Crowd the attack was for ETH. Now for Amorim is crowd the defence.
Another thing.. Amorim has binned off our 2 attacking outlet players, in Rashford and Garnacho.
Since City game, we haven't scored a goal.
Even on City game one goal was a penalty and the other ball over the top goal. Same ball over the top as Garnacho goal against City in FA Cup final. From Dalot in FA Cup.
The system or Amorim himself, has negated the little attacking ability we had. We are too defensive ( 6 pure defenders,, GK added there) add 1 defensive midfielder.. That's 7 defensive players.
Add EPL midfield demands ( we play with 2 midfielders) its suicide.
Add we have a young attack, who are lonely at the top
Now you can see why we are the poorest team in form since turn of the month.
Amorim has won only 2 LEAGUE games since he came here. If people believe it's something else not the way we setup is the problem then nothing much can be explained.
Even if we manage to negotiate good fees, we basically need to replace almost entire squad before we can challenge for titles. We maybe have 2-3 players that could play a role in a successful team, that's still going to be a huge outlay before we get there.Im hoping not. Wilcox, Berrada and Vivell should be experienced and hopefully wont get fleeced. Lets see though.
I agree we are off a title challenge by a couple of big windows, but in one major summer we can bring in a LWB, Striker, CM and 10,Or at least 3 of those positions, and it should be transformative.Even if we manage to negotiate good fees, we basically need to replace almost entire squad before we can challenge for titles. We maybe have 2-3 players that could play a role in a successful team, that's still going to be a huge outlay before we get there.
However, we should already be decent/good with 3-4 crucial signings - basically a couple of full backs, a midfielder and a proper striker and things should start taking shape. As hopeless as our defenders have been, we have to be able to put something together there with the talent of de Ligt, Maguire, Mazraoui and Yoro.
Oh right...I didn't realise beating us was worth 30 pointsForest, Bournemouth and Newcastle got to 3rd, 6th and 5th by beating us.
You can't then just use that position in the table as a reason for them to be obvious favourites against us, and that too, at home!
As much as we are the worst team in the league right now, I think the whole mess is addressable with a couple of good signings, guys with strong characters who galvanise other people around them.Even if we manage to negotiate good fees, we basically need to replace almost entire squad before we can challenge for titles. We maybe have 2-3 players that could play a role in a successful team, that's still going to be a huge outlay before we get there.
However, we should already be decent/good with 3-4 crucial signings - basically a couple of full backs, a midfielder and a proper striker and things should start taking shape. As hopeless as our defenders have been, we have to be able to put something together there with the talent of de Ligt, Maguire, Mazraoui and Yoro.
In a setting the building on fire and then calling the fire department sort of way.I thought the opposite after the Zirkzee sub last night. He left out Mainoo, who has been in very poor form, but he made a huge difference when he came on. I liked how he made a decision early and changed things.
You knew very well that these were not their positions when they played us. Why make up stuff?Oh right...I didn't realise beating us was worth 30 points
the issue for me is how close 17th is to 18th. Leicester and Ipswich might win a few in a row and suddenly we’re 1-2 points of relegation without any momentum. It can happen. And once this team is relegated it’s basically game over.
That’s way I’m with those who want to steady the ship for a while. Play to the players’ strength until we’re out in the clear.
If we're within 3 points of relegation with 6 games to go, then I'll be concerned.Ignoring the possibility of ending the season in 18th-19th place. Then it will become relevant.
But that's a ridiculous argument. Your point is "they're only high up the table because they win games"You knew very well that these were not their positions when they played us. Why make up stuff?
In a setting the building on fire and then calling the fire department sort of way.
As I said you were way more wound up than me mate![]()
That set up was beyond delusional, especially as he’s had 11 games to see what this bunch is like.The midfield of Casemiro and Eriksen was a mistake, but his hands were really tied with his options there. No Ugarte, no Bruno, Mainoo playing an absolute stinker in his last game. What would he have been able to do if he went with Casemiro and Mainoo and we still concede 2 or 3 goals in that first half? He would have nowhere to go then.
We've known for a while that Zirkzee can't play the role up top in a way that we need, but there have been question marks about him playing behind the striker, which would give us some usage for him. Fans have also been asking for this. He tried it, and changed it when it didn't work. The options available to him are very limited and very poor. The building was already on fire before he even got there.
Who are these wingers at our club capable of playing wing back? I genuinely can’t think of any.
No. The context is that you called these games difficult fixtures because Forest are 3rd (effectively, assuming Arsenal win the next game), Bournemouth are 6th (actually 7th) and Newcastle are 5th, today.But that's a ridiculous argument. Your point is "they're only high up the table because they win games"
Actually we do have to think like that at work all the time. I work for a company who sell high value solutions with a long and complex sales cycle. If we judged salespeople only on their results, we'd fire 99% of them after 12-months.That is a wild sentence. I want a boss like you.
You think he can turn Antony into Trent or Carlos?![]()
But we're at the midpoint of the season, not a few games in. Everybody has played everybody once. Your position in the table is a reflection of all of your performances and results to this point - not one game against usNo. The context is that you called these games difficult fixtures because Forest are 3rd (effectively, assuming Arsenal win the next game), Bournemouth are 6th (actually 7th) and Newcastle are 5th, today.
I'm pointing that they weren't in these positions when we played them. We had every chance to be above at least Bournemouth by now.
That said I bet he realises the lack of goals can't go on and at least one of them switches to a winger.
I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with the idea of using wingers rather than fullbacks.The fact is, I think everyone attempting to argue with me here actually agrees that we simply cannot continue playing 3 CBs and two fullbacks so the debate is a little bizarre.
People are attempting to remove blame from the manager whilst they also agree we need to change the wingbacks.
Agreed, as soon as I saw the line up, it was obvious that we were going to have a problem against a midfield of Bruno G and Joelinton.That set up was beyond delusional, especially as he’s had 11 games to see what this bunch is like.
It’s mental. A bit disappointing that management didn’t select a manager that has a style which would suit our current crop of players. I thought that was the point in having that sporting hierarchy.
This was always what a Ten Hag team looked like, that's why he indulged Bruno, Garnacho and Rashford because they could always buy him an undeserved goal. We are blaming the system but where are the basics like simple 5 yard passes, contesting for 2nd balls and challenging crosses? These point to a rotten and unfocused dressing room.This is not a relegation form team in terms of the playing squad. But that is what Amorim has turned us into. And he won't change a thing. Nice guy but he is acting irrationally.
The crazy thing is a rebuild will cost another 500-600m. RIGHT AFTER we’ve supposedly completed the last rebuild under ten hag.
It’s mental. A bit disappointing that management didn’t select a manager that has a style which would suit our current crop of players. I thought that was the point in having that sporting hierarchy.
I do hope we back Amorim but it’s going to be yet another expensive rebuild if his 3-4-3 doesn’t work.
It's not pragmatic though, because his system needs wingbacks to be effective. Actively choosing to use fullbacks, whilst keeping 3 CBs and wondering why our attack is shit - is a bit thick from him.I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with the idea of using wingers rather than fullbacks.
More you calling the manager a coward.
An Anfield would you want Garnacho or Rashford at LWB against Salah. Or to try Antony there for the first time?
I don’t think its cowardice to think not. Overly pragmatic maybe.
Can't disagree here, Anfield is not the place for such an experiment. Might consider having some more threat at RWB, but certainly not on Salah's side of the pitchI don’t think anyone is disagreeing with the idea of using wingers rather than fullbacks.
More you calling the manager a coward.
An Anfield would you want Garnacho or Rashford at LWB against Salah. Or to try Antony there for the first time?
I don’t think its cowardice to think not. Overly pragmatic maybe.