This is the approach that has cost us 10 years (or more) of winning. We need an awkward gear change and Amorim is the man to make it happen
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Well I'm glad to hear that mate. Then no, you don't. But I don't understand getting so depressed over things at the moment, don't get me wrong it's awful right now, but it will improve if we stick with someone who is clearly a very good coach. Chopping and changing the head coach will never work, plus the club can't afford to just sack and hire someone new willy nilly anyway.
At the very least he should stop being such a fuxking coward and put Amad and Antony at wing back.
9th or 15th is equally shit for one of the biggest clubs in the world. There was always the potential for this hideous run given the circumstances in which he took over, we either go through the pain or chop and change again and watch the whole circus play out again. He might not be the right guy but there is absolutely no logically convincing reason we would know that after 4 training sessions or however many it’s been.
As shit as we are, the way this guy speaks to the media genuinely makes me believe.
the first 30 mins of poor performance was down to Amorim setting us up with a bad line up. There’s no way Casemiro and Erikson can be the combo in defensive midfield. They both lack speed now that they’re older. Their experience plus a younger more energetic defensive midfield works better. That’s why when Mainoo came on alongside Casemiro, things start to settle down and stabilize some. It just shows Amorim’s lack of experience in the Premier League.
However, I am encouraged with the fact that with the adjustments throughout the game after the first 30 mins that we started to get more competitive against a high flying in-form Newcastle United.
Amorim is going to need time and some players to get to where he wants to go with this team.
Everyone wants a new promising manager but are ready to jump on him when he hasn’t really had a chance to work with the players and haven’t even had a chance to bring players in to play his way.
It’s even crazier when people want him to do what other managers do which is to compromise their ideas to just win a few games, then the same thing continues to happen manager after manager.
However, I am encouraged with the fact that with the adjustments throughout the game after the first 30 mins that we started to get more competitive against a high flying in-form Newcastle United.
Amorim is going to need time and some players to get to where he wants to go with this team.
Everyone wants a new promising manager but are ready to jump on him when he hasn’t really had a chance to work with the players and haven’t even had a chance to bring players in to play his way.
It’s even crazier when people want him to do what other managers do which is to compromise their ideas to just win a few games, then the same thing continues to happen manager after manager.
It is true and he has a point. But when ETH has here, we were only a few points after number 4, so there was a chance of ending a good place in the table. That chance seems gone now, and maybe the squad is poor, but it should not be this poor. He has to do much better.
Mate they've been telling me to seek therapy for years too don't worry. We're not allowed to vent and state the plain truth apparently. We just have to get behind the team and the manager! GGMU!
Ffs pathetic stuff
Again its a simple question how is he supposed to sell his idea if he keeps changing everytime we lose? Wouldnt you as a player question everything then? How can he convince players to buy into something if he himself doesnt believe it by changing it everytime there is hardship?
How much would we be able to spend by getting them out?
Fingers crossed!
Big time. I was quite annoyed after the game but I just watched his press conference and he just speaks so well and so much sense it's incredible. I love the guy and I think we just need to really get behind him because I'm certain he will turn this around.
Yeh but continuing to play eth system was never sustainable long term, something had to change
We would be moving more than £50m off the books right off the bat. They earn £18m each a year I think plus Rashford can get some sort of fee in return.
Quite a lot if Rashford and Casemiro.
I feel for him as he has young strikers that cant score, his most senior forward wants to leave the club, he has barely any midfielders that can run, and his full backs aren’t right for his system.
He has to get the Liverpool game out of the way (maybe park the bus, snatch a point) and I don’t think the Arsenal game is that important with the crisis we’re in. From then on things have to start getting better.
He has to get the Liverpool game out of the way (maybe park the bus, snatch a point) and I don’t think the Arsenal game is that important with the crisis we’re in. From then on things have to start getting better.
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Why don't you counter?
Or you believe because we have Amorim and playing 343 if we sign 11 new players we will win the league?
We are here, same as ETH. He came and left us here. Some of us pointed it out. Without a midfield 3 we won't go anywhere. Sadly, it looks like it again.
Name last time a back 3 team won Champions League or EPL? Even harder question, last time a back 3 team was a top team for a considerable amount of time?
We are trying to reinvent the wheel which will turn out to be a expensive affair.. Let's see how it's going to end
Why..
Why don't you counter?
Or you believe because we have Amorim and playing 343 if we sign 11 new players we will win the league?
We are here, same as ETH. He came and left us here. Some of us pointed it out. Without a midfield 3 we won't go anywhere. Sadly, it looks like it again.
Name last time a back 3 team won Champions League or EPL? Even harder question, last time a back 3 team was a top team for a considerable amount of time?
We are trying to reinvent the wheel which will turn out to be a expensive affair.. Let's see how it's going to end
Who blinks first, Amorim or the players when it comes to playing his style?
They're clearly not taking to it and - regardless of who is in the right - the players as a collective are far more powerful than any coach.
They're clearly not taking to it and - regardless of who is in the right - the players as a collective are far more powerful than any coach.
This guy will win us the league in 3 years.
But this year will be painful.
But this year will be painful.
5 defenders and a defensive mid vs. Everyone is cowardice personified. Everyone told us he played wingers at wing back for Sporting, that’s the opposite.
Right now it’s a terrible cowardly version of Tuchel football.
If we sold Rashford for saying 40 mill, that makes a massive difference to PSR because it's pure profit since he came through the youth team. Someone who knows more about the process will probably be able to tell you exactly how much.
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Why..
Why don't you counter?
Or you believe because we have Amorim and playing 343 if we sign 11 new players we will win the league?
We are here, same as ETH. He came and left us here. Some of us pointed it out. Without a midfield 3 we won't go anywhere. Sadly, it looks like it again.
Name last time a back 3 team won Champions League or EPL? Even harder question, last time a back 3 team was a top team for a considerable amount of time?
We are trying to reinvent the wheel which will turn out to be a expensive affair.. Let's see how it's going to end
Chelsea both times, CL more recently than EPL.
That's optimistic if this slump continues. He needs wins against Southampton, Brighton and Fulham in the next four games ideally.
This is such a hilarious argument, at least in the premier league. City thanks to their cheating were winning the league repeatedly so not like it was rotating among various teams all playing some magical formationW
Why..
Why don't you counter?
Or you believe because we have Amorim and playing 343 if we sign 11 new players we will win the league?
We are here, same as ETH. He came and left us here. Some of us pointed it out. Without a midfield 3 we won't go anywhere. Sadly, it looks like it again.
Name last time a back 3 team won Champions League or EPL? Even harder question, last time a back 3 team was a top team for a considerable amount of time?
We are trying to reinvent the wheel which will turn out to be a expensive affair.. Let's see how it's going to end
Licha-Vidic has raised the issues that worry me. Why would you play a back three in the Premier League? I know City have made it work, but in Stones they had a player who can move between defence and midfield. Who else has had big success with this system?
What makes it even less understandable to me is that Amorim is picking defenders in the wide positions, too. So basically six of the starting 11 are defenders or the goalkeeper. That is not a recipe for success in this league, especially not for a big club that is expected to be on the front foot in most of its games. In our better performances under Amorim we had Amad as a wide player. Why scrap that and change to having a more defensive player in that role?
I do worry that Amorim is an ideologue whose system doesn't suit our requirements, but I like his character and leadership and am desperate to see him get through this bad spell and start to turn things round.
What makes it even less understandable to me is that Amorim is picking defenders in the wide positions, too. So basically six of the starting 11 are defenders or the goalkeeper. That is not a recipe for success in this league, especially not for a big club that is expected to be on the front foot in most of its games. In our better performances under Amorim we had Amad as a wide player. Why scrap that and change to having a more defensive player in that role?
I do worry that Amorim is an ideologue whose system doesn't suit our requirements, but I like his character and leadership and am desperate to see him get through this bad spell and start to turn things round.
City Play a 3241W
Why..
Why don't you counter?
Or you believe because we have Amorim and playing 343 if we sign 11 new players we will win the league?
We are here, same as ETH. He came and left us here. Some of us pointed it out. Without a midfield 3 we won't go anywhere. Sadly, it looks like it again.
Name last time a back 3 team won Champions League or EPL? Even harder question, last time a back 3 team was a top team for a considerable amount of time?
We are trying to reinvent the wheel which will turn out to be a expensive affair.. Let's see how it's going to end
We need to do the following two things this season.
1. Put everything into winning the EL. Bollocks to the league we aren't going to get 5th so prioritise the Europa to get us that CL money next year, I feel this is crucial to the rebuild due to the utter state the club is in financially. It will be so hard without the millions that come with it.
2. Get rid of the wasters in the team. Rashford, Casemiro, Zirkee, Eriksen, Antony etc. just get them out and get their wages off the books.
3. Back the manager all the way and get behind the team.
1. Put everything into winning the EL. Bollocks to the league we aren't going to get 5th so prioritise the Europa to get us that CL money next year, I feel this is crucial to the rebuild due to the utter state the club is in financially. It will be so hard without the millions that come with it.
2. Get rid of the wasters in the team. Rashford, Casemiro, Zirkee, Eriksen, Antony etc. just get them out and get their wages off the books.
3. Back the manager all the way and get behind the team.
You're not even worth engaging with. You're just another hysterical impatient fool throwing toys out of your pram because we aren't winning straight away. I can't be bothered.W
Why..
Why don't you counter?
Or you believe because we have Amorim and playing 343 if we sign 11 new players we will win the league?
We are here, same as ETH. He came and left us here. Some of us pointed it out. Without a midfield 3 we won't go anywhere. Sadly, it looks like it again.
Name last time a back 3 team won Champions League or EPL? Even harder question, last time a back 3 team was a top team for a considerable amount of time?
We are trying to reinvent the wheel which will turn out to be a expensive affair.. Let's see how it's going to end
"..I have to sell the idea . I don't have another plan..."
That's the key point from his press conference. It's either do or die for everyone .
He may get sacked or we will back him fully. Sadly we don't know what Jim would decide.
That's the key point from his press conference. It's either do or die for everyone .
He may get sacked or we will back him fully. Sadly we don't know what Jim would decide.
I am sure you were saying the same thing when we switched from 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1. Things always can change in football. Again you binning a guy who hasnt even had 2 months training a team and has shite players who cant even get the basics right. Give him a chance. If he has spent money and has the time like Ten Hag did and still no improvement, then by all means call for his head. But not after 45 days.W
Why..
Why don't you counter?
Or you believe because we have Amorim and playing 343 if we sign 11 new players we will win the league?
We are here, same as ETH. He came and left us here. Some of us pointed it out. Without a midfield 3 we won't go anywhere. Sadly, it looks like it again.
Name last time a back 3 team won Champions League or EPL? Even harder question, last time a back 3 team was a top team for a considerable amount of time?
We are trying to reinvent the wheel which will turn out to be a expensive affair.. Let's see how it's going to end
I really hope he's learned his lesson in playing that midfield, and I expect he will
also let's hope we buy one that can run next month
also let's hope we buy one that can run next month
As I said, pathetic stuff calling the coach who's only here a couple of months a coward already. Says alot more about you than anything else really.
Think the wages being gone would help a bunch for starters, regardless of whatever fee they fetch
Just can't help but love the guy.
The players. I'm surprised we haven't had leaks to the press about how Amorim is useless and the squad are trying their best.
Come on that’s a bit of a leap that he’s lost the dressing room already, give the guy a chance Christ