if Rashford and Antony are sold we might have the funds to bring in some good talent suited to Amorim’s style of play. But I can’t fathom any situation where this will happen?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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You don’t get a breath in the league anymore, every single team can hurt you if you aren’t on your game, and United rarely are, throw in confusion playing the formation and some players having a horrendous run of form and you get this.
Even a very out of sorts Mainoo would have been better that the Casemiro and Eriksen combo
It was suicidal starting starting them together
By being the better team? Did you watch it?
Playing this system we will get beat easily by any team,
Your original point was Eriksen and Casemeiro starting in midfield was wrong from Amorim. So Mainoo starts ahead of Eriksen. And who would have started instead of Casemeiro?
City tried to dominate possession like they always do but they were in a bad run of form, and we’ve always been pretty good at counter attack, I think it suits our mentality in a way. It’s when we’re expected to have possession that the wheels come off, same reason we looked so good for a while under Ole, and also why we then looked so dreadful once he tried to change the way we play, and then subsequently every manager after him that is also trying to dominate possession.. we just don’t have the players for it.
Yeah that more of an indictment on how City were. They lost to us who havent won a game since then. Thats how shit they were.
People who keep thinking all the defeats are down to the system are giving the players a "get out of jail card'. It's not like they're being asked to play cricket! It's still a game of football but if you simply do not do the job you're tasked to do, as almost all Utd players fail to do, I don't think any system will work. We keep conceding because players make jaw droppingly poor decisions. We played 4231 with the same bunch and were conceding 20+ attempts every game, and with the defenders on current form, we'd be losing 5/6-0 every game.
Just watched his press conference. It's certainly the most pressure he's come under from the press. Tough away games upcoming but feels as though he has to show something. A weeks worth of training for both games too.
He has to bring in at least 2 players who can play his system in jan. Without that….we could be relegated persevering with a change of system with these average players. Making him come in mid season and not being able to give him any players for his style was abit risky.
No no how dare you come in here and blame the players. Havent you heard its all down to the manager. If we played 4 at the back with the wingers, we will be magically doing better.
Time for big Sam yet?
Exactly. At a minimum, you need players who can make accurate passes, have a great first touch, play with pace, and win the ball back quickly. We have none of that.
Why are they making wrong decisions and mistakes? Is it because they are worried/concentrating on a new formation/tactics etc?
Felt he was on the verge of a meltdown during the conference.
If we don't make any Jan signings this second half of the season is going to be brutal.
I'm hoping soon he opts for a more settled side. Appreciate the fixtures aren't helpful to that at this time of year and the form certainly hasn't been either, but I'm not sure the chopping and changing particularly in the middle of defence will be helping.
So a home game with no goal attempts on target. The team is playing worse over time rather than improving as they adapt to the new system. Amorim's been looking at the whole squad and surely knows by now who is a starter and who isn't. The problem is that there too many players (around 8 by my count) in the latter group.
I'm expecting defeat against Liverpool but after that Amorim needs to start producing a few wins.
I'm expecting defeat against Liverpool but after that Amorim needs to start producing a few wins.
Bloody hell mate this is pedantic. You keep making up things I haven't said. Go back and read it properly. I didn't say both shouldn't have started as obviously that's nigh on impossible given the missing players.
My only point was Mainoo should have started as he alone made a significant difference. That's it. You're determined it seems to pretend that wasn't what I said. Give over now.
No, surely it makes you question the managers decisions?? He is the one tasked with getting results...
Players should not get a pass but sticking to this formation is ballsey to say the least. The first goal I would say was almost completely down to the unfamiliarity of Maz playing RWB when you look at how he tucks in, as an RB should, before realising how much space Gordon has been left in.
Lord have mercy.
Its not looking good for him, it was a bad idea to bring him in at this point of the season (instead of next summer) and he's struggling immensely with no clear ways of getting better.
If we don’t have the money then look at the loan market.
A relegation battle is quite the shock
Ruben is completely lost in his ideas and insists on players who don't have the profile for what he wants. He only knows 3x4x3. Humm... it's not looking good for the future.
If we don't do anything in the January window I'm legit thinking relegation battle.
It ultimately Falls on the club for sticking with ETH for far too long, blowing too much money eye on players that can’t score or contribute and then sacking ETH mid season
He's probably wishing he told us to feck off when we came knocking...wouldn't blame him.
We have the right coach in charge. We won't be relegated. And things will improve as the season continues. We just have to suffer through the crap for the moment. I'm not happy about the results right now, but being relentlessly negative constantly has to be so tiring.
He looked like he wanted to chin Jamie Jackson. As do most people I suppose.
Can you blame him?
I think we'll sign a couple of proper wingbacks in January, which is where we're having the most issues with this system, solve that and I think things will improve pretty quickly.
Another big disclaimer which alot of people are not alluding to is
ETH used to stack 4 attacking players leaving the midfield wide open. Yet we were not prolific scorers.
Amorim is stacking up defenders, leaving a midfield 2 out numbered, yet we keep conceding goals with 6 defenders on the pitch ( back 5 + goalkeeper).
Amorim has not addressed midfield issues that's why things have collapsed.
Sadly, this formation won't work in EPL.
Even Arteta tried it, he finished 8th. Saka was a wingback. He changed to 433 he became a challenger almost immediately.
The danger we have now is, we might spend another 500m on a system which will only deliver top 4. Yet top 4 was being delivered by 'Ole Ball' without all this shenanigans of needing new 11 players.
In short,CURRENT the profile of EPL opposition, the dynamics of competition in EPL, a team of 2 midfielders will never be top WINNER team for a 5-10 period. Other team will find you out.
Sadly, It looks like Ashworth might have been correct.
- Probably Amorim is a level below PL standards.
- Probably 343 is a level below PL challenge. ( yes Chelsea won the title playing 343... It's Some 7 years ago. Also Leicester won the league playing Counter attacking Football a season before) Both teams collapsed thereafter.
- EPL has been won and consistently being fought for, by teams playing 433 since 2017.
- You can not consistently perform in EPL with only 2 midfielders. Never in the current times. Yes, positioning might differ but you need 3 pure midfielders in title winning team.
- With 2 midfielders, you will get overrun frequently.
ETH used to stack 4 attacking players leaving the midfield wide open. Yet we were not prolific scorers.
Amorim is stacking up defenders, leaving a midfield 2 out numbered, yet we keep conceding goals with 6 defenders on the pitch ( back 5 + goalkeeper).
Amorim has not addressed midfield issues that's why things have collapsed.
Sadly, this formation won't work in EPL.
Even Arteta tried it, he finished 8th. Saka was a wingback. He changed to 433 he became a challenger almost immediately.
The danger we have now is, we might spend another 500m on a system which will only deliver top 4. Yet top 4 was being delivered by 'Ole Ball' without all this shenanigans of needing new 11 players.
In short,CURRENT the profile of EPL opposition, the dynamics of competition in EPL, a team of 2 midfielders will never be top WINNER team for a 5-10 period. Other team will find you out.
Sadly, It looks like Ashworth might have been correct.
I don't really agree with this. If we don't have enough players that are physically or technically good enough to play the new system, and/or enough time to train it properly (which are the mitigating factors regularly put forward), then why keep playing it and losing so many games?
Yes, play some boring football, get some points on the board and foster some confidence and belief before experimenting again when there's more time and an easier run of games.
Playing the one system is fine if there's something to show for it, even if we're narrowly losing but seeing improvement in some important capacity i.e. less goals conceded, or more goals being scored. Unfortunately, all we've really from it so far is increased possession, which won't win us matches.
As it is, he's won four games, two against Europa League sides that aren't great, a rubbish Everton and City who were in free fall. We've drawn one and lost the other 6. We're dropping points, not scoring many, and conceding lots of shitty goals. I'd rather switch to a boring style and maybe get some better results for a bit than to keep playing something that is ineffective and has us losing a lot.
Amorim has got an incredibly difficult job, but he's beginning to appear stubborn to the detriment of the team in much the same way Ten Hag was. Although it's still early days, I don't think that stubborness is a good thing if it's not actually improving results.