Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Unam333 said:
Attacking-wise Ten Hag’s team looked far more dangerous. We created plenty of chances, but we just couldn’t convert the chances. Opponents running through our midfield was very disconcerting though.
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Come off it. We finished 8th with a negative goal difference we were rotten

This season is a calamity mainly due to the club not pulling the trigger in the summer and going with Amorim who could have had a pre season and bought players to fit his system
 
I don’t like his system but what I really don’t understand is how he tries to fit players into it.

He’s playing two tucked in 10’s who are supposed to offer penetration and runs around the 9. Yet, he picks Zirkzee as one of the 10’s and replaces him with Eriksen - two of the slowest players alive.

With the tucked in 10’s, all width has to come from the WB’s. Yet, he insists on playing two defenders without any attacking capability there - even though we’ve only scored goals with wingers as WB’s.

The two CM’s need to do a lot of running in his system. Who does he pick? Casemiro and Eriksen. Likewise, the LCB and RCB have tasked with protecting the channels - he plays Martinez who cannot run to safe his life and De Ligt who is very heavy too.

I get that we have an awful squad. But his selections and system are actually making them worse.
 
sepulturite said:
I'm not referring to that, you and several others are so relentlessly negative I have to wonder how ye even get out of bed in the morning.
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What's there to be positive about with the situation we're in?
 
Stobzilla said:
The next two matches against Arsenal and Liverpool will be more of the same, if we go out of the FA Cup it has the potential to give him more training sessions and much needed time actually drilling the system. It will be a slog between now and the end of January however, we will start to see something more positive, consistently around March imo. Between now and then the odd good result will be had, but there will be more blips.
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Yep. He has easy-ish home games after Arsenal and then he has a big 2 week break starting in Feb. Hoping that break helps with training too.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
We never did and this is rewriting history.

Our xG under ETH was never ever top 4 throughout an extended period.
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Regarding xG stats I’m sure you’re right. Still, I feel that we created enough chances. More than under Amorim. Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
RDCR07 said:
So again you still havent got an idea about two other positions. You keep banging on about Mainoo, which I agreed to anway. Who are these other options who would have changed the game from the start?
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You want me to hypothetically guess who could have changed the game from the start? So you can hypothetically disagree. It's pointless.

You think Amorim got it right. Fair enough.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Accepting relegation is giving up and we are steamrolling towards that battle.

Imo if we cant get 2-3 players to help implement this setup then get rid of it until the summer. Most of these are not our future anyways and they will be sold so why invest so much in these?

Get the players in the summer and use the preseason to start afresh. This bunch is uncoachable!
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Nobody is accepting relegation. It won't happen.

People are saying there's a reason you don't replace a manager mid-season and implement a brand new system, especially at the most fixture-dense time of the season, and this reason is now evident to all.

However...we all agreed at the time we were here for the short term pain for the long term gain...and at the first sign of trouble, everybody has lost their minds.
 
Marwood said:
You want me to hypothetically guess who could have changed the game from the start? So you can hypothetically disagree. It's pointless.

You think Amorim got it right. Fair enough.
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So you made a point he got the team sheet wrong yet you decline to provide any names on who would have actually improved this team from the start? So why make a point to begin with if you cant back it up?

There is absolutely nothing wrong in your making your point. You have every right to but back it up when asked a follow up.
 
Unam333 said:
Regarding xG stats I’m sure you’re right. Still, I feel that we created enough chances. More than under Amorim. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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You’re wrong, objectively and statistically. And this is coming from someone how supported Ten Hag until the end, and still thinks he should have gotten more time. Consider yourself corrected.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I hope he turns it around and obviously he gets lots of time.

But this is shambles. Really really bad. What do you think? We haven't once played well under him. He wants some weird formation that could take 2 years to get the players for.

Only a January transfer of epic proportions can safe this.
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Didnt we play well agaisnt Everton? Yes, they were poor and gave us an acre of space in behind to play into, but still.

The issue is, he has been dropped into Man United mid November when the games are coming thick and fast. He has a squad who poor, top to bottom.

Six of our nine best paid players are currently offering next to nothing - Case, Mount, Rashford, Antony, Shaw and Eriksen. Plus, you wouldnt want to build a team around the other three - Bruno, Maguire and De Ligt.

Name me a team where that is the case?

Yes, trying to change formation is tough, but fact is, this players dont have the fitness required, they make daft mistakes and they cant string three passes together - the formation doesnt change that.
 
Unam333 said:
Regarding xG stats I’m sure you’re right. Still, I feel that we created enough chances. More than under Amorim. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Tonight was a bad performance, but we've been creating chances under Amorim.

We were getting some fluky results.

It was the opposite last season with ETH. We were very lucky to finish 8th last season. Our performances were indicative of a team in 14th/15th, etc.
 
RDCR07 said:
So you made a point he got the team sheet wrong yet you decline to provide any names on who would have actually improved this team from the start? So why make a point to begin with if you cant back it up?

There is absolutely nothing wrong in your making your point. You have every right to but back it up when asked a follow up.
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I said Mainoo and Garnacho.

You keep making up things I have or haven't said.

He also needs to drop Martinez, get Mazraoui at CB and Amad at right wing back. Or Dalot at rwb and Antony LWB.

The balance is all off at the moment.
 
Lentwood said:
However...we all agreed at the time we were here for the short term pain for the long term gain...and at the first sign of trouble, everybody has lost their minds.
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I saw loads of posts referencing the gap to the CL spaces, I don't think many actually appreciated this at all.
 
Castia said:
Come off it. We finished 8th with a negative goal difference we were rotten

This season is a calamity mainly due to the club not pulling the trigger in the summer and going with Amorim who could have had a pre season and bought players to fit his system
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True, we had a negative goal difference due to not scoring enough goals and conceding too many goals. What I meant was we created enough chances, we didn’t convert those chances unfortunately. Another member posted that our xG wasn’t in the top 4 for an extended period of time. I’m not a statistics guy, but I’m curious what our xG wasn’t last season.
 
KjaAnd said:
I don’t like his system but what I really don’t understand is how he tries to fit players into it.

He’s playing two tucked in 10’s who are supposed to offer penetration and runs around the 9. Yet, he picks Zirkzee as one of the 10’s and replaces him with Eriksen - two of the slowest players alive.

With the tucked in 10’s, all width has to come from the WB’s. Yet, he insists on playing two defenders without any attacking capability there - even though we’ve only scored goals with wingers as WB’s.

The two CM’s need to do a lot of running in his system. Who does he pick? Casemiro and Eriksen. Likewise, the LCB and RCB have tasked with protecting the channels - he plays Martinez who cannot run to safe his life and De Ligt who is very heavy too.

I get that we have an awful squad. But his selections and system are actually making them worse.
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Yea, that's how I saw it. None of the selection made any sense at all.
 
He has got to somehow find a way to stabilise in the league and go full blast for the EL. This squad is more of a cup team anyway. Then again, they look completely broken atm.
 
Unam333 said:
True, we had a negative goal difference due to not scoring enough goals and conceding too many goals. What I meant was we created enough chances, we didn’t convert those chances unfortunately. Another member posted that our xG wasn’t in the top 4 for an extended period of time. I’m not a statistics guy, but I’m curious what our xG wasn’t last season.
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We really really didn't. Our creativity under Ten Hag was appalling.
 
Stobzilla said:
The next two matches against Arsenal and Liverpool will be more of the same, if we go out of the FA Cup it has the potential to give him more training sessions and much needed time actually drilling the system. It will be a slog between now and the end of January however, we will start to see something more positive, consistently around March imo. Between now and then the odd good result will be had, but there will be more blips.
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It will be worse as not going to have more possession and hold Arsenal,Liverpool to one shot on goal in the 2nd half of games as was done with Newcastle tonight. I'll be at the Southampton game so hopefully back to winning ways then.
 
Marwood said:
I said Mainoo and Garnacho.

You keep making up things I have or haven't said.
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Again Garnacho was equally as shit as Zirkzee. So I dont see your point about others would have performed better. Well Garnacho did get a chance and he didnt. And who would have played instead of Casemeiro? I keep going back to my original point - we dont have ANY good options of the bench so he was forced into these players he started with barring Mainoo.
 
Unam333 said:
True, we had a negative goal difference due to not scoring enough goals and conceding too many goals. What I meant was we created enough chances, we didn’t convert those chances unfortunately. Another member posted that our xG wasn’t in the top 4 for an extended period of time. I’m not a statistics guy, but I’m curious what our xG wasn’t last season.
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What? We hugely overperfomed underlying stats last season. We were 9th for goals scored, but XG had us in 12th for chances created.

Though we finished in 8th, xpts had us down in 15th.
 
I still have time for and trust in him but he needs to be more brave with the wing back position. Maz as the right CB, Antony RWB and Amad as the right 10 and maybe try Garna for the left wing back position... Also I hope this was the last time he plays Zirkzee. And no more Cas and Eriksen as the two CM. Both need someone with legs besides them
 
Rex Banner said:
Exactly. There's nothing wrong with adapting once you're presented with presented with fresh evidence. I don't think anyone anticipated it would go this badly.

Much better to admit that you were wrong than carry on with something that clearly isn't working.
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I dont think going back to 433 changes all that much.

Does 433 mean that Hojland can hold the ball up? Would it mean that Martinez could suddenly win an aerial duel? Would Onana stop letting in soft goals? Would Bruno stop getting himself sent off for petulance? Would it make Rashford interested in playing football again?

This lot were doing the same under Ten Hag in a 433.

Give the manager some time to get them on the training pitch. He has not had that since coming in mid November.

The biggest mistake Amorim made was underestimating the sheer incompetence of some of these players.
 
It’s complete revisionism and 20/20 hindsight thar Mainoo should have started. He’s been absolutely terrible the last few games and a defensive liability, Yes when he came on it looked like Mainoo of last season was back, but there’s no way the choice was a no-brainer.
 
Jezpeza said:
The squad doesnt relegate you results do. Doesn't matter how good we think certain players are if the team keeps losing 6 games a month we are going down.
We are going 1 way at the moment and there is absolutely zero sign right now that there is anything going to halt that.
The comfort blanket that ‘the squad is too good to go down’ or the blind assumption that ‘this will all improve at some point’ is very shaky foundations to build a case against relegation on.
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Sure. Maybe. I dunno. I honestly never thought it would be this bad as a Utd fan, but I started in the 90s so I guess mathematically it had to happen at some point
 
InspiRED said:
It’s complete revisionism and 20/20 hindsight thar Mainoo should have started. He’s been absolutely terrible the last few games and a defensive liability, Yes when he came on it looked like Mainoo of last season was back, but there’s no way the choice was a no-brainer.
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Didnt he also start the last two games? Amorim has as much about rotating and keeping players fit for the rest of the season.
 
RDCR07 said:
Again Garnacho was equally as shit as Zirkzee. So I dont see your point about others would have performed better. Well Garnacho did get a chance and he didnt. And who would have played instead of Casemeiro? I keep going back to my original point - we dont have ANY good options of the bench so he was forced into these players he started with barring Mainoo.
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And back to my original and only point, Mainoo alone made a big difference.
 
If Amorim can't win games he won't be backed, simple as. The club won't take the risk of arming a manager with a transfer kity who's losing so many games. That is not how business works and it's not how football generally works.

With the players he has at his disposal, he should at the very least be able to stabilise the club and finish in a respectable position. With the results we're getting, you'd think he'd taken over a club rock bottom. It's clearly below expectations.

Part of being a manager is learning the strengths and weaknesses of your players and figuring out how to get the best out of what you have. If he can't do that, we're fecked.
 
KjaAnd said:
I don’t like his system but what I really don’t understand is how he tries to fit players into it.

He’s playing two tucked in 10’s who are supposed to offer penetration and runs around the 9. Yet, he picks Zirkzee as one of the 10’s and replaces him with Eriksen - two of the slowest players alive.

With the tucked in 10’s, all width has to come from the WB’s. Yet, he insists on playing two defenders without any attacking capability there - even though we’ve only scored goals with wingers as WB’s.

The two CM’s need to do a lot of running in his system. Who does he pick? Casemiro and Eriksen. Likewise, the LCB and RCB have tasked with protecting the channels - he plays Martinez who cannot run to safe his life and De Ligt who is very heavy too.

I get that we have an awful squad. But his selections and system are actually making them worse.
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Issue is we don’t have options at all either in the 10’s or CM spots. Unless you want to start Collyer and Garnacho. Ugarte and Bruno were both out today.

Mainoo should have started but again we have literally 0 good players for those so little quality in the squad overall. People can blame tactics or the manager but Newcastle’s squad laughs at ours. We probably have 4 players that make a combined XI with them
 
I said it before the Newcastle match and during.

This should be the team going forward, when possible.

Onana
Maz-DeLigt-Yoro
Amad-Mainoo**-Ugarte-Dalot*
Bruno-Garnacho
Højlund

*Unless Shaw suddenly grows a new healthy body, no other choice.
**could also try Bruno instead of Mainoo and Antony for Amad and push Amad up in Brunos spot.
 
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