Not sure what games you were watching.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The next two matches against Arsenal and Liverpool will be more of the same, if we go out of the FA Cup it has the potential to give him more training sessions and much needed time actually drilling the system. It will be a slog between now and the end of January however, we will start to see something more positive, consistently around March imo. Between now and then the odd good result will be had, but there will be more blips.
So again you still havent got an idea about two other positions. You keep banging on about Mainoo, which I agreed to anway. Who are these other options who would have changed the game from the start?
This is my take as well. A culture of unaccountability and complacency runs through this club, and the team. We’ve amassed slow, weak, unintelligent, and unmotivated players, who are here for the colossal pay check and the luxuries and opportunities that being a United player brings. Exhausting following this team at the moment.
Lets be honest us in a supposed relegation battle even if its for a week is a goldmine for the media isn't it. They're going to milk this idea dry.
Come off it. We finished 8th with a negative goal difference we were rotten
This season is a calamity mainly due to the club not pulling the trigger in the summer and going with Amorim who could have had a pre season and bought players to fit his system
I'm not referring to that, you and several others are so relentlessly negative I have to wonder how ye even get out of bed in the morning.
I don’t like his system but what I really don’t understand is how he tries to fit players into it.
He’s playing two tucked in 10’s who are supposed to offer penetration and runs around the 9. Yet, he picks Zirkzee as one of the 10’s and replaces him with Eriksen - two of the slowest players alive.
With the tucked in 10’s, all width has to come from the WB’s. Yet, he insists on playing two defenders without any attacking capability there - even though we’ve only scored goals with wingers as WB’s.
The two CM’s need to do a lot of running in his system. Who does he pick? Casemiro and Eriksen. Likewise, the LCB and RCB have tasked with protecting the channels - he plays Martinez who cannot run to safe his life and De Ligt who is very heavy too.
I get that we have an awful squad. But his selections and system are actually making them worse.
He’s playing two tucked in 10’s who are supposed to offer penetration and runs around the 9. Yet, he picks Zirkzee as one of the 10’s and replaces him with Eriksen - two of the slowest players alive.
With the tucked in 10’s, all width has to come from the WB’s. Yet, he insists on playing two defenders without any attacking capability there - even though we’ve only scored goals with wingers as WB’s.
The two CM’s need to do a lot of running in his system. Who does he pick? Casemiro and Eriksen. Likewise, the LCB and RCB have tasked with protecting the channels - he plays Martinez who cannot run to safe his life and De Ligt who is very heavy too.
I get that we have an awful squad. But his selections and system are actually making them worse.
What's there to be positive about with the situation we're in?
Yep. He has easy-ish home games after Arsenal and then he has a big 2 week break starting in Feb. Hoping that break helps with training too.
Regarding xG stats I’m sure you’re right. Still, I feel that we created enough chances. More than under Amorim. Correct me if I’m wrong.
You want me to hypothetically guess who could have changed the game from the start? So you can hypothetically disagree. It's pointless.
You think Amorim got it right. Fair enough.
Knock it off with the negative wumming.
Southgate has just been knighted. Obvious next step lads!
Amorim said it on sky.
Nobody is accepting relegation. It won't happen.
People are saying there's a reason you don't replace a manager mid-season and implement a brand new system, especially at the most fixture-dense time of the season, and this reason is now evident to all.
However...we all agreed at the time we were here for the short term pain for the long term gain...and at the first sign of trouble, everybody has lost their minds.
So you made a point he got the team sheet wrong yet you decline to provide any names on who would have actually improved this team from the start? So why make a point to begin with if you cant back it up?
There is absolutely nothing wrong in your making your point. You have every right to but back it up when asked a follow up.
It was a very aggressive set of questions which I thought he dealt with excellently, especially given this is not his first language.
You’re wrong, objectively and statistically. And this is coming from someone how supported Ten Hag until the end, and still thinks he should have gotten more time. Consider yourself corrected.
That expression is perfect.Didnt we play well agaisnt Everton? Yes, they were poor and gave us an acre of space in behind to play into, but still.
The issue is, he has been dropped into Man United mid November when the games are coming thick and fast. He has a squad who poor, top to bottom.
Six of our nine best paid players are currently offering next to nothing - Case, Mount, Rashford, Antony, Shaw and Eriksen. Plus, you wouldnt want to build a team around the other three - Bruno, Maguire and De Ligt.
Name me a team where that is the case?
Yes, trying to change formation is tough, but fact is, this players dont have the fitness required, they make daft mistakes and they cant string three passes together - the formation doesnt change that.
Tonight was a bad performance, but we've been creating chances under Amorim.
We were getting some fluky results.
It was the opposite last season with ETH. We were very lucky to finish 8th last season. Our performances were indicative of a team in 14th/15th, etc.
I said Mainoo and Garnacho.
You keep making up things I have or haven't said.
He also needs to drop Martinez, get Mazraoui at CB and Amad at right wing back. Or Dalot at rwb and Antony LWB.
The balance is all off at the moment.
I saw loads of posts referencing the gap to the CL spaces, I don't think many actually appreciated this at all.
True, we had a negative goal difference due to not scoring enough goals and conceding too many goals. What I meant was we created enough chances, we didn’t convert those chances unfortunately. Another member posted that our xG wasn’t in the top 4 for an extended period of time. I’m not a statistics guy, but I’m curious what our xG wasn’t last season.
Yea, that's how I saw it. None of the selection made any sense at all.
He has got to somehow find a way to stabilise in the league and go full blast for the EL. This squad is more of a cup team anyway. Then again, they look completely broken atm.
Yep go back to starting Amad at left wing back until we get a replacement RWB. But who is there to start LWB?
We really really didn't. Our creativity under Ten Hag was appalling.
It will be worse as not going to have more possession and hold Arsenal,Liverpool to one shot on goal in the 2nd half of games as was done with Newcastle tonight. I'll be at the Southampton game so hopefully back to winning ways then.
Again Garnacho was equally as shit as Zirkzee. So I dont see your point about others would have performed better. Well Garnacho did get a chance and he didnt. And who would have played instead of Casemeiro? I keep going back to my original point - we dont have ANY good options of the bench so he was forced into these players he started with barring Mainoo.
What? We hugely overperfomed underlying stats last season. We were 9th for goals scored, but XG had us in 12th for chances created.
Though we finished in 8th, xpts had us down in 15th.
I still have time for and trust in him but he needs to be more brave with the wing back position. Maz as the right CB, Antony RWB and Amad as the right 10 and maybe try Garna for the left wing back position... Also I hope this was the last time he plays Zirkzee. And no more Cas and Eriksen as the two CM. Both need someone with legs besides them
I dont think going back to 433 changes all that much.
Does 433 mean that Hojland can hold the ball up? Would it mean that Martinez could suddenly win an aerial duel? Would Onana stop letting in soft goals? Would Bruno stop getting himself sent off for petulance? Would it make Rashford interested in playing football again?
This lot were doing the same under Ten Hag in a 433.
Give the manager some time to get them on the training pitch. He has not had that since coming in mid November.
The biggest mistake Amorim made was underestimating the sheer incompetence of some of these players.
It’s complete revisionism and 20/20 hindsight thar Mainoo should have started. He’s been absolutely terrible the last few games and a defensive liability, Yes when he came on it looked like Mainoo of last season was back, but there’s no way the choice was a no-brainer.
Sure. Maybe. I dunno. I honestly never thought it would be this bad as a Utd fan, but I started in the 90s so I guess mathematically it had to happen at some point
Didnt he also start the last two games? Amorim has as much about rotating and keeping players fit for the rest of the season.
So the "new manager bounce" thing over then? blimey