We have not had a dominant, or even fully functional, midfield due or trio for a long, long time.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
We have not had a dominant, or even fully functional, midfield due or trio for a long, long time.
You absolutely have to review options in such a scenario. I would argue that applies to finishing anywhere in the bottom 10. You simply don't get a free ride or free hit, not at a club like United.
Honest question - who should we have put in midfield? With Ugarte out, it was Casemiro/Mainoo/Erikzen and maybe Maz?
Playing the fullbacks as wingbacks has cost United games where the team was expected to win.
Alongside upsetting the balance of what's actually worked Mazouroi was outstanding as the right sided center back at the beginning.
Rashford despite his petulance was still scoring goals and remains the teams most threatening player behind Amad even if he's half bothered.
So many games has been lost on the back of player selection. It's a system where the mis profiling of players in specific positions magnifies the overall impact on the performance.
Then lastly, one thing we likely aren't attributing is the players losing confidence due to poor results, naturally it will cause them to both doubt themselves and the manager.
His biggest, and i mean by far biggest mistake was changing back 3(5) every game. It is obvious that our best back 3 are Maz-De Ligt- Yoro.
He changed back 3 nearly every game. With new system first thing which needs to be settled is defence. Then come everything else.
He changed back 3 nearly every game. With new system first thing which needs to be settled is defence. Then come everything else.
I mean all he did tonight was play a ten hag eqsue side, with 3 CBs, and we still looked shit. He can't just let us sink like a stone based on his principles.
We've conceded 7 and scored 0 in the last 3 games, two of which were at home and one against a relegation side. He has to improve us in some aspect, or we literally will be in the relegation spots.
Maybe a bit early? Not writing him off, but let’s see. People praised EtH as the second coming of Jesus and see how that went.
I hope he turns it around and obviously he gets lots of time.
But this is shambles. Really really bad. What do you think? We haven't once played well under him. He wants some weird formation that could take 2 years to get the players for.
Only a January transfer of epic proportions can safe this.
Have you even looked at the table? What a braindead response. We cant buy a win these days. We have just lost 3 home games in a row. We are going to lose against Liverpool. We will be only 4-7 points ahead of relegation.
Thats not me fabricating things, just take a look at the fecking table.
Fair enough, mate. Just frustrated at the shocking first half.
Everybody is talking about 3-4-3 but in reality your system is 5-4-1 most of the time in the games and it shows. Amorim's set up is too defensive and the lack of proper attacking play just kills whatever plan you have for the different matches.. something needs to change asap or the things can turn really ugly for United..
He wouldn't have lost 5 of his last 6 if he'd "done a Ruud" and stuck a 4-2-3-1 middle block in...but you all (yes, all) said you didn't want that and you wanted it ripped up and restarted mid-season.
I actually think bringing him in immediately was a good thing. Gives him 9 months to find his feet, experiment with the squad and get a good idea of what's needed in the summer. It's better than having the ropey bedding in period at the start of next season and writing that one off as well.
He's kind of got a free hit for the rest of this season.
There's no guarantee at all he'd be doing well in games that aren't Leicester at home.
BUT, could you see anyone having us look worse right now?
You do realise how many points are left to play for, and how many points are usually required to stay up? Or do you just prefer being hysterical?
Has to start getting results. A relegation fight isn't acceptable.
We can't score, we are conceding calamity goals every match and we're terrible at set pieces.
I really want him to succeed but some worrying signs.
We can't score, we are conceding calamity goals every match and we're terrible at set pieces.
I really want him to succeed but some worrying signs.
Hard to disagree with any of this.
INEOS coming in was meant to mark the end of lurching from one approach to another with no progression plan.
It hasn't.
Our squad and our first team coach are like oil and water. That should have been clear. But we still chucked them together.
Not too different from anything we have done in the last decade.
Because we are getting worse. Dominated at home routinely. We have not played well under him yet.
Agree, it's far too defensive and and it's completely the wrong formation with the players we have. He's too stubborn to change formation so I hope he finds a solution quickly, otherwise it's ta ta bye bye.
West Ham was being linked with this fella some time ago and his name was mentioned for months before by all the football hipsters who are always wrong.
Watched Gasperini of Atalanta completely school him.
Watched Gasperini of Atalanta completely school him.
He really doesn't. Lose a few more like tonight and the pressure will ramp to huge levels.
Do you think the board would sit idly by if we're suddenly looking over our shoulder in 4th bottom?
Mate we've finished on negative goal difference the last 2 seasons and are now in negative goal difference again. This isn't something new. We weren't exactly prime MSN before we made the switch to 3-4-3.
You do know there were 3 positions we needed help with tonight right? No Bruno means we needed a #10. No Ugarte means we a #6. I understand Mainoo should have started but what about the other 2 positions?
This rah-rah chest thumping looks so stupid when you actually looked at the numbers on the table and see how we're performing.
And thats not down to the players at all? Only the manager?
Because our lot are midtable shit and he has them playing relegation levels of shit.
And go back the the system ETH implemented!
It doesn't matter if we play 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3 or tried a 4-3-3.. it's a mix of issues throughout the squad, the confidence, quality, athleticism and effort
So what, then? Give up immediately? Bring back EtH? Bring back OGS? Bring back good old Fergie?
The club has paid for weak-willed, spineless thinking for over a decade. No time for it now, a course has been set, you don't wuss out after 6 weeks because we lose a few games.
Calm down your gaffer is shite too. But yeah it's looking like we have made another mistake.
If he can't be pragmatic at all, he'll be without a job very soon. It's pure insanity to keep playing these players in this formation and expect a better outcome.
I prefer to see things the way they are and not throw baseless comments like “higher chance of winning the league than getting relegated”
But you saw the difference Mainoo alone made right?
And although far from perfect you play Garnacho over Zirkzee. You at least get energy and running then.
We could win against Liverpool, crazier things have happened. You’re probably right though!
Not good enough, needs to start being more pragmatic.
Nah he’s the manager I wanted well before he was even linked. These players, the club culture, the standards set inside the dressing room is a complete cesspool it’s not a massive shock that a guy coming in wanting to tear it all apart is struggling
Clear these losers out, get the right players in and we have a chance. Time and time again this lot have let the club down I don’t want to see another manager go
Casemiro/Eriksen midfield was ridiculous. But he didn’t have Ugarte or Bruno so it was just a matter of pick 2 from Casemiro, Eriksen or Mainoo.
Which I’m not gonna hang him for.
Which I’m not gonna hang him for.