Youre talking as if we have a plethora of talent sitting on the bench. Mainoo prolly the only option he should have started with.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
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The manager can't decide if that happens or not. At least not directly.
But how can he coach a system he has never used before? He would look even more lost...
Far too inexperienced as a coach at the top level. Too rigid with this stupid 3-4-3 formation. I fear he won't make it
The only way out of this mess now is a Chelsea type of strategy. The club will need to bring in about 25 new players across Jan and June, whilst offloading about 25 players. The only way to solve this is pure cash investment.
It's gonna cost Jimbo billions, literal billions in cold hard cash, to fix this club now.
Majority of these players can't play any system. We have a slow, unathletic side. What manager will come in and be able to play their style? Especially as everyone now plays in a particular way
I do feel like he needs a strong performance against Liverpool or Arsenal away. This is a bad run of form and there are very little positives to take away from the performances too.
Not so daft especially if he get us relegated. Wolves managed to beat us using the same system and a new manager. What is it then wolves has better players? Or manager is daft and is not able to appreciate players capabilities. (Ps do not tell me its Brunos fault, as it Dolot incompetence's at LWB and coach persistence with him there that got Bruno sent off)
If the manager can't prepare his team not to get whipped, we have no hope left
A defeat to Liverpool is already a given. Im talking about a heavy, embarrassing defeat like ETH got.
Currently yes. But we obviously wont get relegated.
There's stuff on Amorim, such as decisions to persist with Dalot, a very slow spine in the middle of the pitch today, set pieces, constantly changing his backline midgame etc.
But hes working his players out and trying to experiment the right formula. All match days are effectively training games for him. We need to just accept that and hope we do well in cups.
Whats needed is a proper window with 4-5 new players and a clear out to support.
He got a lot wrong tonight, but on form did Marino deserve the start? Absolutely not.
It’s been said a million times before, but bringing him in mid-season was a batshit crazy move. Jim and Omar made a bad call and it’s showing. He should’ve been brought in with a clean break in the summer.
I just hope this isn’t a Graham Potter experience, it unfortunately for Amorim there isn’t a smidgen of positivity.
It’s been said a million times before, but bringing him in mid-season was a batshit crazy move. Jim and Omar made a bad call and it’s showing. He should’ve been brought in with a clean break in the summer.
I just hope this isn’t a Graham Potter experience, it unfortunately for Amorim there isn’t a smidgen of positivity.
Honestly I didn't know about that which makes his recruitment at this moment all the more crazy.
Ineos royally fecked us up
He won’t walk. That sort of thing only happens in people’s imaginations.
Big Amorim supporter here, but it is clear that he doesnt have the players at his disposal to play his desired system. No wing backs. No centre backs with recovery pace that are comfortable playing a high line. No 10s that can move with the ball and no forward that can link up play.
What is he trying to achieve? This lot can barely play in a 433, so how are they ever going to pick up a 3421? It is leaving us short in the midfield because the wing backs are reverting to a back 5.
What is he trying to achieve? This lot can barely play in a 433, so how are they ever going to pick up a 3421? It is leaving us short in the midfield because the wing backs are reverting to a back 5.
Realistic. We’ve gone from having little goal threat to zero goal threat. We play 5 defenders every game and conceded 2+ goals. The scenario is not on him but his inability to get the players into his system is, and in 2 months we are going backwards. I’m not calling for his head but I’m saying he’s the wrong man and the club need to acknowledge this as we are looking more like relegation fodder than mid table and that is on him.
I thought he was more flexible and creative with this his 343. Sticking Dalot and Mazraoui as wing backs and subbing centre backs for centre backs every game while losing is not what I envisaged. He seems to have given up already.
We need leadership on the pitch. Someone organising the team and reiterating the managers instructions. Bruno is too emotional, we need a Keane, Gerrard, Terry type player. Sorry that probably seems old skool but it’s what we need.
Not a manager on earth that could implement a style and get a song out of this crop of shit.
You either vibes it and hope for the best or dis trying.
You either vibes it and hope for the best or dis trying.
Yeah that starting XI wasn't good.
Casemiro/Eriksen can't be starting against teams like Newcastle(I wouldn't even start them ever again for a Premier League game). I know we had suspensions, but that midfield duo is just not it.
And he needs to insert 1 attacker as a wing-back role. Our results with 2 defenders as wing-backs are pretty poor.
I think generally the performances have improved with fluky results, but that was really bad today. No positives at all.
Casemiro/Eriksen can't be starting against teams like Newcastle(I wouldn't even start them ever again for a Premier League game). I know we had suspensions, but that midfield duo is just not it.
And he needs to insert 1 attacker as a wing-back role. Our results with 2 defenders as wing-backs are pretty poor.
I think generally the performances have improved with fluky results, but that was really bad today. No positives at all.
I said it at the time too. But if the club is committed to the long-term at the cost of the short-term then it might accelerate things. That is the only upshot besides the few good enough players at the club getting more used to his ideas (and hopefully some youths promoted).
Had Ruud stayed though and done relatively OK, like 6-8th, maybe it would be harder to confront the fact that the squad is shite.
Maybe so but it wasn't this bad under any other formation. At the moment we are bleeding out, maybe we should try something to mitigate it ?
The starting lineup is on him. Casemiro and Eriksen stopped working months ago. But the overall mistakes are not on him. Not at all. I'm disappointed with a lot of posts here, but that's on me, I forgot how reactionary people are.
He's picked an absolutely awful team tonight, it shouldn't be surprising that playing two geriatric players in the engine room against a physically really strong Newcastle team would lead to us getting played off the park.
Casemiro and Eriksen playing together is tantamount to throwing the game.
Casemiro and Eriksen playing together is tantamount to throwing the game.
It's a bit Rangnick-esque. A bunch of players who don't fit the football struggling, ego wars and bad football while we're waiting on transfer windows to rebalance the squad
Even he came in mid season is not the excuses to perform so poorly. We didn't expect him to get Top 4/5. We just want some decent style of play. This is not too much to ask from a good manager. But so far he is worse than ETH. Even RVN was better.
Its been a month or so and its clear that this bunch is uncoachable. Why is he taking the league for granted? Enough with this system bs, we are desperate for points and the only way to do it is use a temporary system to get anything out of these turds
Reactionary? I'm not reactionary. How dare you, Sir. I demand a fight.
Sad too see people turn on yet another manager whilst these fecking Jokers can’t string 3 passes together
My expectation with Amorim coming in is that the team would be very pragmatic and rather defensively solid but similar to Ten Hag the defensive issues are stemming from poor positional structure.
The issue I can see even if Ruben makes it to summer is that even with wingbacks purchased for this system, it won't gloss over how exposed the teams looks when opposition players are running at the back three.
It's even more concerning when you assess the only real weak link in this defense is Martinez, is replacing Martinez going to make the entire back-line solid? I personally can't see it, so this conceding goals issue is likely very apparent irrespective if Amorim has spent 0 or 300-400 million.
If he had bothered to do any scouting, he’d have known that you can’t play a pair of geriatrics in midfield in front of the slow clown show in defense against an Eddie Howe team.
Rangnick looks more prescient by the day. Should have kept him on as DOF, no doubt about it
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We were definitely this bad under ten Hag. For over a year. We were being outplayed week in, week out, conceding 20+ shots every game.
The only difference is our luck has run out. These players have proven that, regardless of the system, the majority of them aren't good enough.
He got the line-up completely wrong tonight, why did he think it was a good idea to start Casemiro and Eriksen together?
He’s making mistakes and hopefully he learns from them but needs to stick with the plan. The club has been all about pretending players are better than they are and persisting with them. Playing out dated and pragmatic football to mask limitations and hope for the best.
This is shit and will get worse over next two games but have to work through it and try and hope that it improves over second half of the season. Ideally we get one or two players out the door and one or two in.
This is shit and will get worse over next two games but have to work through it and try and hope that it improves over second half of the season. Ideally we get one or two players out the door and one or two in.
Club needs a cleanse, atmosphere/vibe is toxic at times........ somebody do some spiritual magic shit and get this sorted please?
In hindsight him coming in now is actually good for the long term. He gets to see the shower of shite at the club and IF he survives till the summer, which I fecking hope he does, he can get rid of them and bring in proper players to suit his system.
Plenty would. Not on current form but that is because the team is bad
How many seasons do we need to go through this whole "we have a shite squad" before it is OK to be pragmatic and win football matches? It's obvious that some of these players are well off the quality needed for this league, let alone what we once upon a time aspired to be - but we actually need money, stability and Champions League football to fix this shite properly.
Amorim might still come good, I quite like him, but this is dire.
Liverpool at Anfield is going to be a meltdown for ages. They can barely put a foot wrong and we can barely get anything right.
I'm genuinely worried. I see no hope, I think we're in serious danger to get relegated 
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