Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Amorim having a squad of players, 90% of whom couldn't trap a bag of cement, obviously doesn't help but the attitude on some of those players is howling as well.
 
city-puma said:
Yoro is young and not physically developed fully. But his athleticism doesn’t seem great.
We conceded two so easily due to weakness of Martinez and Yoro. It’s a lesson to the new manager but I think he knows it. He said our players are so small in size as compared with opponents.
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Lesson of what exactly? I mean, we're not going to play Maguire now are we? De Ligt is massive but useless in the buildup play.
Not sure if that gives him any lesson or direction where to go tbh.
 
Read that we've already lost more points under Amorim than LFC under Slot. Can't be right, surely?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It’s a new system. It will take time. Some will adapt but many will fail as they’re bang average regardless of formation.
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Would it really hurt to swap Amad and Garnacho? Garnacho thrives in wide areas, where he can exploit space and run at defenders. Meanwhile, Amad—though effective on the flank—has the skill set to receive the ball in tight spaces and operate on the half-turn, making him a more natural fit centrally. It seems like a simple tweak that could make a big difference.
 
Borys said:
Lesson of what exactly? I mean, we're not going to play Maguire now are we? De Ligt is massive but useless in the buildup play.
Not sure if that gives him any lesson or direction where to go tbh.
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Most of our defenders are shit if we’re being honest, De Ligt included.
 
DJ_21 said:
We lost because Onana is awful and Bruno can’t keep hold of the ball.
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Exactly what I’ve just said in a different thread, Fernandes has the worst on pitch awareness and footballing IQ I’ve seen from a big name United player and costs us constantly by giving the ball away over and over which must drive his team mates mad especially as that’s the captain.
OmarUnited4ever said:
I am now starting to low key accept that these players are quite shit collectively, maybe 2 or 3 good individuals, but as a group, shit, of course this is something else to case of Amorim being a good coach or not, but whether he is good or not is meaningless, until this squad is totally overhauled.

I'd only keep Amad and Mainoo, maybe Ugarte and Maz, Yoro is young, the rest, not good enough whatsoever.

Poor fella, he has to work with a team that is not half as good as his previous team Sporting, and he is expected to do something with them
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Exactly what I just said in a different thread, outside of that group I couldn’t care less who else is sold.
 
Red00012 said:
Bruno always played 90 mins and most of his managers have suggested he doesn’t need resting , even Rubin. When we were chasing a goal I’d have left him on. We were clueless when we went off and Mainoo somehow managed 90 mins and was hopeless
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Amorim has said he recovers between games quickly. Obviously he has good fitness, but you could see he was visibly exhausted
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Would it really hurt to swap Amad and Garnacho? Garnacho thrives in wide areas, where he can exploit space and run at defenders. Meanwhile, Amad—though effective on the flank—has the skill set to receive the ball in tight spaces and operate on the half-turn, making him a more natural fit centrally. It seems like a simple tweak that could make a big difference.
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Garnacho is terrible defensively though.
 
Stobzilla said:
Amorim having a squad of players, 90% of whom couldn't trap a bag of cement, obviously doesn't help but the attitude on some of those players is howling as well.
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Agree. It's actually incredible to see that most of Forests' players are more technically proficient than ours. Loose touches all over the place and no pace or strength at all.
 
United are in a really dangerous place, what happens if they start recruiting players for 343 and it doesn't work out with Amorin? Probably over thinking it just buy quality and it'll work out.
 
GlazersHater said:
Support Amorim all the way, get rid of the poor players. I trust him, he has the identity and the idea just have very little talent to work with. Its amazing how we manage to end up with such a poor squad after spending so much.
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Thank the Glazers for ruining this club. Are they the worst owners of any elite club in the 21st century?
 
Pointless to analyse him so early, especially considering he's come after the start of the season. The squad he has inherited is mediocre. His football relies on good wing back play and United's situation there is abject. Dalot constantly out of position and just generally terrible. Malacia back after so long, and he wasn't lighting fires to begin with. Mazraoui filling at centre-back. Shaw is essentially retired at this point. Midfield is below Premier League standard - weak physically, slow, can't pass. The only player there that is up to par is Ugarte. That's not going to work.

The game against Arsenal isn't indicative of anything, good or bad. Arteta got punished the first time against Ten Hag, but quickly realised that letting United have the ball instead is a good strategy, because the team is very poor in possession and carries no threat. Pretty much all the games against Arsenal since then have gone down the same way - even possession and no threat from United. Not enough time for Amorim to change this, certainly not without transfers.

Forest - same stuff. Clueless on the ball. The squad needs airing out. It doesn't fit his football. Said it before and got jumped by the resident experts, yet it doesn't make it any less true.
 
Fooza said:
As much as people won't like it Bruno and Rashford just need to be sold. And I'm not saying that because of performances. Their sales will generate a lot of income for heavy investment and both leaving can't make us any more bad because we're bang average with them in as is.

Only way for Amorim, sell these players asap to get in more.
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Agree, and takes about 40m of the wage bill to spend on someone else.
 
I hope he’s not a stubborn manager.

Play Amad at 10 and maz at rwb, it’s such an obvious thing to do.
How many games will it take to realize dalot is not a lwb?
Garnacho is not a 10.

Just to add, mainoo should have been off instead of ugarte. He contributed very little to our attack.
Like with Ten Hag, it’s the obvious decisions that the coach refuses to make that piss me off.

I hope he adapts quickly.
 
He has taken over a complete hatchet job by the disaster of a manager who was there before him. He needs to be absolutely ruthless. 80% of this squad is not premier league quality and he needs to begin to push then out from now. Start by benching any single player who underperforms in even one match. It needs to register in the heads of these buffoons that poor performances will not be tolerated. If he does that, he has a chance of lasting more than 18 months in the job.
 
Telsim said:
Pointless to analyse him so early, especially considering he's come after the start of the season. The squad he has inherited is mediocre. His football relies on good wing back play and United's situation there is abject. Dalot constantly out of position and just generally terrible. Malacia back after so long, and he wasn't lighting fires to begin with. Mazraoui filling at centre-back. Shaw is essentially retired at this point. Midfield is below Premier League standard - weak physically and slow. The only player there that is up to par is Ugarte. That's not going to work.

The game against Arsenal isn't indicative of anything, good or bad. Arteta got punished the first time against Ten Hag, but quickly realised that letting United have the ball instead is a good strategy, because the team is very poor in possession and carries no threat. Pretty much all the games against Arsenal since then have gone down the same way - even possession and no threat from United. Not enough time for Amorim to change this, certainly not without transfers.

Forest - same stuff. Clueless on the ball. The squad needs airing out. Said it before and got jumped by the resident experts, yet it doesn't make it any less true.
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Agreed. We are going to go through several months of this before things improve imo. If it happens earlier then all the better, but for me, there was never an expectation that simply swapping managers would suddenly result in lasting improvement. Fortunately, Amorim has himself been cautioning that things will get worse before they get better.
 
PlasticRed said:
I agree its a tactical issue. I just dont think his 343 will get anything out of this squad. Im not saying he isnt a good manager.

Our only hope is some decent attacking players walk through the door in January. Osimhen and Nkunku would help.
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I don’t have an issue with the system itself—it’s the personnel that concerns me. It’s entirely possible that the current squad just isn’t good enough, but since this is likely what we’re stuck with until the summer, I’d like to see more experimentation in the meantime.

One of the biggest criticisms leveled at Ten Hag was his stubbornness in sticking to the same approach, even when it clearly wasn’t working. Hopefully, Amorim won’t fall into the same trap.
 
Another disappointing game...two in a row now. I don't say it because of the result but because the performance was pathetic. Once again toothless in the first half (what idiots in the matchday thread were calling a "controlled performance" was Forest sitting back and trying not to concede after taking the early lead). Just passed the ball around between the keeper & the defense without taking risks or attempt to move the ball forward.

It's early days, so the players still look confused. However, they have to be braver & take more risks. Useless possession isn't going to take us anywhere.


Ruben's got a task on his hands. This is the worst attack I have seen at this club in all my time supporting it (and I mean including the entire post SAF era). Rashford, Garnacho, Zirkzee, Hojlund, Mount, Antony are all mediocre. Bruno is highly overrated. Doesn't produce enough to give away goals through his stupid flicks and passes. Our best attacker is a youngster we play at a wing-back. (Btw, watch his agent take us to the cleaners in contract negotiations).

Hopefully, we'll do enough to produce results in Europa and win CL promotion through there as there is no chance in hell we make the top 5 in the league. Let's keep using the league as a training ground excercise, but with improved performances. Not scared & limped displays like the last two.
 
How can you coach Onana to be a good goalkeeper my grandma should have saved that , how can you coach Martinez to look the ball not the player etc silly mistakes . We have a great coach in our hand but he needs better players . We need some money for him to get at least 1 players in January .
 
Man Utd boss Ruben Amorim told BBC Sport: "Tough game. We started really bad, the first play we suffered a goal and then it's hard to try to fight. We then controlled the game and had a lot of situations.

"We improved the movement in the last third. We managed to draw the game and then at half-time we were ready to go for the win and then started really bad. Two goals. Then we tried a lot of things with not a lot of quality.

"We didn't have many situations to score.

"Tough game in a tough moment but we have to continue the job.

"This is a long journey. We are improving in some aspects.

"We have to win games to help us improve the team.

"We are in the start of something so big that we pay attention to every detail. We already know it's a big job so we have to continue."
 
Attitude, mentality, work ethic, confidence, all these things are lacking. If you have shitty players on top, you lose these games
 
My only Eric said:
I hope he’s not a stubborn manager.

Play Amad at 10 and maz at rwb, it’s such an obvious thing to do.
How many games will it take to realize dalot is not a lwb?
Garnacho is not a 10.

Just to add, mainoo should have been off instead of ugarte. He contributed very little to our attack.
Like with Ten Hag, it’s the obvious decisions that the coach refuses to make that piss me off.

I hope he adapts quickly.
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Amad is basically a winger at WB position. He was constantly in opposition half throughout the game. Also found himself in box with shooting opportunity 3 times today with no real pressure around him. His position is not of traditional Wing back
 
Honestly, despite todays result i'm very happy so far, infact it's the first time i'm properly smiling about our situation in a long time. Now I know that seems pretty odd but i'll tell you the reasons;

For the first time in what feels like forever, I can see an actual identity on the pitch, a few games in and I can actually see and identify what it is we are building on the pitch. None of this it takes 3 years nonsense, I can already see it. It gives me an air of Klopp's first season at Liverpool, and honestly that's kind of what i'm looking for, I think we all agree with the assessment that managers deserve time, but to me they need to earn that time and not just be given it by default. Part of earning that time is recognising that something is happening on the pitch, it's not always coming off for us at the moment, I mean why would it we're a few games in and we can expect a lot more pain to come before any good times, but the fact I can recognise it means we are building towards something. For the longest time, yeah we won matches, yeah we played well some times and other times we didn't, but I just never felt like I could see anything on the pitch that encouraged me to believe we were building towards something that was sustainable in the long term. Now i'm seeing it.

On top of this some of these players are being seen for the frauds they are. INEOS will not want their first appointment to go wrongly in this respect and they are far more likely to ship out these average players rather than sack their man anytime soon.

Of course it would be nicer if we win matches but i'm more than happy to take the short term pain of us losing, for the long term benefits. Unfortunately I don't think a lot of people are. Is it the formation/systems fault if we concede 3 goals from like .2 xG? What is Amorim supposed to do with freak goals from poor individual errors.

Regardless, we can start by getting Amorim a new LWB and a new LCB asap and going from there
 
He seems to like Hojlund, and also plays Rashford at the same time up front. I wonder what he expects actually to happen between those 3 attacking players.
 
I like the cut of his jib, and he was brought in as a known quantity in terms of the system he wanted to play… and therefore deserves time and players to implement it.

However… I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to watch a squad so well suited to 4231… which got to a European quarter final, won a league cup, got to an FA cup final, and came 3rd in the league 2 years ago… only to then for no understandable reason ditch it ever since and look terrible for it.

It’s no surprise the best we have looked since is the 3 games under Ruud. Square pegs, square holes.
 
izec said:
Amad, Maz and Ugarte look like the only good players up to the level needed.
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Small sample size, but you can very easily see how much potential Yoro has.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Garnacho is terrible defensively though.
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I wouldn’t say he’s any worse than Amad or an 18-year-old Quenda who was thrown into that role. Like I said, at least give it a try. I’m not claiming it’s guaranteed to work, but let’s be honest—everyone expected Garnacho to be used as a wing-back for the reasons I outlined in my earlier post. It’s a logical experiment that hasn’t been explored yet.
 
At the highest level you can't give away 2-3 silly goals and expect to come away with any points.

As fans it becomes very hard to see what each of these managers brings to the table, because we always have to ignore and look past soo many individual errors made by the players.

Tactically and general play was fine today (I thought) kept the ball ok, progressed it better through the middle (sort of) but made a few too many howlers and got what they deserved.

Forget about the CL talk until you can actually play like a top team.
 
As United fans, most of us have been conditioned by life under Fergie to trust the manager and give him time. We have done it for every manager since Sir Alex and Amorim will certainly not be under any pressure any time soon.

But don't ignore the evidence of your eyes. Today was rubbish and his changes, for the most part, made the situation worse.

That's not me saying he's not the man for the job or anything. I'm just judging what I see, rather than what I did with Ten Hag (and others) and make excuses: Not his players, not had time on the training pitch blah, blah, blah. These are issues basically every coach in the world has, especially the ones that come in midseason. He's gotta deal with it.

He cannot be blamed for our defensive brainfarts but his hands aren't clean.

I can understand, psychologically, the desire to believe that it all all be different: 'When he gets his players.' It gives us hope to ignore what is happening now. But, there's no guarantees. None. And if he doesn't find a way to work with what he's got then we'll keep losing to the likes of Forest. No question about that.
 
It's not the formation. Our squad is just full of football dummies. Yes they're good at specific things but often lacks the overall basics. You ask any other top PL team to switch to 3-4-3 and they'd do much better than us. Heck, pick up some random club from top 5 league in Europe, ask them to switch to 3-4-3 mid game, if they have the squad to fill those positions, they'd do just fine in relation to their players quality. But us? under Ole, Ten Hag, now Amorim - three managers where the team looked like they're worse as a team than individuals and it needs to change. One thing to combat that is to have a system, not just to go out and do whatever the feck they want (which is the only thing they excel at)
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I wouldn’t say he’s any worse than Amad or an 18-year-old Quenda who was thrown into that role. Like I said, at least give it a try. I’m not claiming it’s guaranteed to work, but let’s be honest—everyone expected Garnacho to be used as a wing-back for the reasons I outlined in my earlier post. It’s a logical experiment that hasn’t been explored yet.
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Amad is miles better defensively.
 
I feel at this point, utd need to set an entrance exam for all new signings to weed out the utter brainless idiots we have at the club.

A set of 30 multiple choice questions about football like:

when faced with only the GK to beat, should you:
A) close your eyes and blast the ball?
B) stop running and turn to look for a team mate?
C) run towards the only defender in your vicinity and lose the ball?
D) be calm and roll the ball either side of the GK?

Our current cohort would struggle to get 25% correct!
 
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