Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
There is a reason why he didn't start the game yesterday despite being manchester uniteds main man for years and there is a reason our game dynamism dropped down like that when he came on. But thats not the point I'm trying to make and this is not a thread for it.
And no, i will not give it a rest until i see our main man start doing the things talismen expected to do regularly. So yea there is that.
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Rashford didn’t start cause clearly Amorim is rotating players. By your logic then why didn’t Amad start? He is clearly our best attacking player.
 
Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
There is a reason why he didn't start the game yesterday despite being manchester uniteds main man for years and there is a reason our game dynamism dropped down like that when he came on. But thats not the point I'm trying to make and this is not a thread for it.
And no, i will not give it a rest until i see our main man start doing the things talismen expected to do regularly. So yea there is that.
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Yeah it's called rotation. Same why others didn't start either.
 
Ludens the Red said:
Think we all need to strap in for the rough ride. We’re gonna lose a hell of a lot of games this season. We’ve got city and Liverpool away in the next month and as hard as it is people are going to have to dissociate the emotional attachment to these games. Dunno about anyone else but I wasn’t particularly bothered about last night. At the very least we were competitive and solid in open play. But there was literally no way in hell we were ever winning that game.

Amorim for me has the hardest job of any manager post Fergie. Ten Hag has left him with the worse squad we’ve ever had, full of chancers and the most unathletic group of players you’ll ever see.
If he wants to give everyone an audition over these next few months great. Sink or swim.
He’s also playing a completely different system, one these players have very little experience with, so again it’s going to be very rough.
It’d be hard enough with a good group of players. He’s got plenty bad eggs in there.
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This, it's the most damming thing about ten hag tenure, he completely mismanaged a squad build he had free reign over and left us skint in the process to make amorim job that much harder and probably will have to wait at least until the transfer window of 2026 (unless we can miraculously sell our flops) to make noticeable changes to suit the needs of what we are trying to achieve.
 
justsomebloke said:
Then you really haven't been paying attention, because his selections are way more predictable than those of any recent manager - at least for now. Here's how it is: Onana, the back three (barring suspensions etc) and Bruno starts every game. Everybody else gets rotated. The only point of insecurity yesterday was which CB would stand in for Martinez, and even that was only because Shaw got injured again. Otherwise it was exactly as you'd expect.
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I thought my post was quite obv. a tongue-in-cheek comment regarding how he has been rotating the squad compared to the same 11 every game when EtH was in charge.

That being said, saying that Amorims line ups "are way more predictable" than the other managers is something thats easy to say- I take it that youve had 50 points in the lineup game from these 4 games ?
 
Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
It's difficult not to be positive after what is in display these few weeks. What's there not to like? Sometimes I'm completely stunned by our fanbase. Overly defensive with underperforming players and managers for years but expecting full attacking away to arsenal on amorins third game in charge.
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We have very daft fans. And glass half empty kinda guys.
We showed yesterday that we are improving, we had more possession in the first half. Yes we were not dangerous but damn adter years of shit give him more than 4 games and a few weeks of training
 
The only thing I can criticise him for is his lack of ankle dorsiflexion while squatting. I expected more from a 39 year old football manager.

But I genuinely think he's the one.
 
sugar_kane said:
So when do we expect the player briefings against him to begin and what content we talking?

The formation will be a theme doubtless, him being 'too honest' with the media, players not being allowed on holiday during international breaks, we'll probably get a wild card as well like him not doing enough fitness training vs. the old regime.
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Not expecting this at all. By all accounts his man management is good and I expect him to communicate well with players.
 
I really hate the club for leaving him with such a shit squad. At least you can see he has a plan unlike Ten Hag but it's very difficult for him to execute it.
 
It still bothers me that there are people in our fans base unable to see the difference in what he's got them doing already compared to how we were set up under Ten Hag.

We need to give this guy a complete free pass until next season, and even then we need to accept the money isn't going to be there for a huge squad overhaul.
 
GaryLifo said:
It still bothers me that there are people in our fans base unable to see the difference in what he's got them doing already compared to how we were set up under Ten Hag.

We need to give this guy a complete free pass until next season, and even then we need to accept the money isn't going to be there for a huge squad overhaul.
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You can’t worry about dumb people. Just ignore them. He has a good majority of his fans on his side. At least 8 out of every fans support him. Who gives a shit about the other 2.
 
Amorim knows how he wants to play and what the problems are. And I’m sure he’ll fix them unlike previous managers. Also sporting have gone down hill since he left so it shows what an influence he had on them even if people are saying it’s only the Portuguese league.
 
GaryLifo said:
It still bothers me that there are people in our fans base unable to see the difference in what he's got them doing already compared to how we were set up under Ten Hag.

We need to give this guy a complete free pass until next season, and even then we need to accept the money isn't going to be there for a huge squad overhaul.
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Do we need a huge squad overhaul though, among our defenders we'll struggle to upgrade on what we have, only a Saliba or Vvd level center back improves us, maybe a cheap punt as back up or give Kukonki a chance to replace Evans/ Lindelof.
In midfield Ugarte and Mainoo are good to go, Casemiro can still do a job for a year and Bruno has been decent playing deeper, Eriksen is the guy we should be moving on and replacing but not for big cash.
We need a left wingback that's for sure, the attack is obviously our weakness right now, I don't think Hojlund and Zirkzee cut it, unless they turn it around from now to the end of the season, sell one and bring someone much ready, Antony should go as well, that Quenda kid can be brought in.

So a window like last summer will do.
So four to five signings but we're talking two or three starting level players.
 
DepaysCowboyHat said:
I thought my post was quite obv. a tongue-in-cheek comment regarding how he has been rotating the squad compared to the same 11 every game when EtH was in charge.

That being said, saying that Amorims line ups "are way more predictable" than the other managers is something thats easy to say- I take it that youve had 50 points in the lineup game from these 4 games ?
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Well, it's true. At least it has been so far. It's also what he's said he will do. I have never played the lineup game and don't think I will either.
 
Hoof the ball said:
@Sly another loss?
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Unfortunately, yes I was right. Anyways it doesn't take a genius to understand that putting a guy with no top flight experience whatsoever would struggle. Our team is clueless tactically and the players don't respect the manager. We will waste one of our best squads ever because our board is too stupid and too proud to own up their mistake.
 
You can criticize Ruben as much as you want, but the 1st display shows he is capable of adapting which is required to win major trophies.
Even Sir Alex realised that and won 2008 champions league by adapting that tactic against Barca in semis.

We all know this is not his team and lacking 4/5 first team players but given time he will get it right, he looks so assured and know what needs to be done.
 
There shouldn’t be any criticism whatsoever after 14 games, never mind 4. He has shown a style, a pattern of playing already and all this without a single player he has brought to the club. Arteta has built his team over 5 years ffs.
 
wolvored said:
There shouldn’t be any criticism whatsoever after 14 games, never mind 4. He has shown a style, a pattern of playing already and all this without a single player he has brought to the club. Arteta has built his team over 5 years ffs.
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You say that, but over in the Garnacho thread they're either slamming nails in his coffin or trying to arrange a loan to see how he does at a seaside club.

Some lunatics running around here.
 
Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
There is a reason why he didn't start the game yesterday
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It's because of rotation, Amorim has repeatedly said this since the first day he arrived, so I don't know why people are suddenly acting surprised certain players are rotated out.

Barring injuries (or any other issues that causes unavailability), I have no doubt Rashford + Zirkzee will start against Forest and Hojlund + Garnacho will start City. The only constants are Onana, De Ligt, Maz, Bruno.

It's has nothing to do with players being benched or dropped for bad performances
 
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Trex said:
Do we need a huge squad overhaul though, among our defenders we'll struggle to upgrade on what we have, only a Saliba or Vvd level center back improves us, maybe a cheap punt as back up or give Kukonki a chance to replace Evans/ Lindelof.
In midfield Ugarte and Mainoo are good to go, Casemiro can still do a job for a year and Bruno has been decent playing deeper, Eriksen is the guy we should be moving on and replacing but not for big cash.
We need a left wingback that's for sure, the attack is obviously our weakness right now, I don't think Hojlund and Zirkzee cut it, unless they turn it around from now to the end of the season, sell one and bring someone much ready, Antony should go as well, that Quenda kid can be brought in.

So a window like last summer will do.
So four to five signings but we're talking two or three starting level players.
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IMO Casemiro cannot do a job for a year, or a month for that matter. He brings vulnerabilities to the midfield every time he plays. That means we're in need of two central midfielders.

The viability of the back 3 depends on whether we keep Maguire and Shaw has any durability left. They'll both need replacing otherwise.

Left wing back as you say, and probably one for the right as well.

Agree that the attack is the big unknown. Right now there's really not any player there except Bruno who looks like a sure thing for the future, so who knows.

At worst, that could come down to double digits in terms of how many acquisitions we need. It's just too early to tell.
 
DJ_21 said:
Amorim knows how he wants to play and what the problems are. And I’m sure he’ll fix them unlike previous managers. Also sporting have gone down hill since he left so it shows what an influence he had on them even if people are saying it’s only the Portuguese league.
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Ajax gone downhill after ten Hag as well. Amorim is exciting young coach but until he proves himself I personally won't get too excited. More than a decade of failing managers hopefully taught us something.

On the other hand, those (who are in minority thankfully) bashing Amorim after 4 games are obviously being ridiculous.
 
Its still early days but results have been frustrating.

We're still rubbish away from home. Can't keep a clean sheet despite playing 5 at the back.
 
DevilRed said:
Its still early days but results have been frustrating.

We're still rubbish away from home. Can't keep a clean sheet despite playing 5 at the back.
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We're not playing 5 at the back. And Amorim has said that the performances are more important than the results for now. He's trying to implement his ideas and it's good to see a coach not just get caught up in the business of getting results while ignoring our performances and long term success.
 
DevilRed said:
Its still early days but results have been frustrating.

We're still rubbish away from home. Can't keep a clean sheet despite playing 5 at the back.
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Aren't these about as expected after 4 games?
  • Ipswich - barely a week to work with most of the players given the international break. I always thought a draw was likely personally.
  • Bodo/Glimnt - improved performance and I thought they were well worth the win despite the close scoreline, both their goals were purely down to errors made as a result of the lack of cohesion with the system.
  • Everton - further improvement, they obviously aren't a great side but 4-0 is an emphatic victory that ETH didn't manage in 3 years let alone 3 games.
  • Arsenal - lacklustre performance from an attacking sense, but they ARE the 2nd best team in the league arguably, it's at the Emirates and you didn't concede from open play.
I don't know what else was really expected given he's trying to implement a very different system, is heavily rotating the squad and obviously joining at a time when form was already low and players lacking confidence?

I personally think he's doing a great job so far - his boldness and honesty is very refreshing and he has clear conviction in the way he wants the team to play which has been lacking for a while.
 
BorisManUtd said:
Ajax gone downhill after ten Hag as well. Amorim is exciting young coach but until he proves himself I personally won't get too excited. More than a decade of failing managers hopefully taught us something.

On the other hand, those (who are in minority thankfully) bashing Amorim after 4 games are obviously being ridiculous.
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Amorim as shown he can set us up with a clear system and style though and we actually look harder to play against.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Aren't these about as expected after 4 games?
  • Ipswich - barely a week to work with most of the players given the international break. I always thought a draw was likely personally.
  • Bodo/Glimnt - improved performance and I thought they were well worth the win despite the close scoreline, both their goals were purely down to errors made as a result of the lack of cohesion with the system.
  • Everton - further improvement, they obviously aren't a great side but 4-0 is an emphatic victory that ETH didn't manage in 3 years let alone 3 games.
  • Arsenal - lacklustre performance from an attacking sense, but they ARE the 2nd best team in the league arguably, it's at the Emirates and you didn't concede from open play.
I don't know what else was really expected given he's trying to implement a very different system, is heavily rotating the squad and obviously joining at a time when form was already low and players lacking confidence?

I personally think he's doing a great job so far - his boldness and honesty is very refreshing and he has clear conviction in the way he wants the team to play which has been lacking for a while.
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Basically my reading of the situation. We were a bit unlucky to meet Arsenal after they had their blip. Odegaard being back has got them ticking again.

It's a work in progress but there is more progress in four games than there was in the last 18 months.
 
Real Name said:
Is his honeymoon over round here?

Or there wasnt a honeymoon at all.
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There wasn't one given that most never really expected anything more than a bit of gradual progress as the players slowly adapt to his formation and tactics.
 
Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
It's difficult not to be positive after what is in display these few weeks. What's there not to like? Sometimes I'm completely stunned by our fanbase. Overly defensive with underperforming players and managers for years but expecting full attacking away to arsenal on amorins third game in charge.
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Without proper training either. Amorin has mentioned several times that they don't actually have proper training time on the pitch due to the games coming fast. It's basically been playing games, recovery days and walk through via video. He mentioned that the training they do on the pitch is often at walking pace because players have few days between games so they focus on recovery.

Yet despite all that, in the span of 4 games, we can clearly see the vision, a shape and what he's trying to do. Rubin said working on shapes, discipline could be done despite the few training sessions but things like attacking patterns and such need proper and loads of on pitch training time which we've barely had. People just need to be patient and enjoy watching the team take shape and gradually improve. We'll eventually get there, just be glad we're seeing his distinct idea being implemented even if we're still at the genesis of that process.
 
Since LVG left we were watching same shit in every single away game. Sit deep and wait on counter. Mourinho and Solskjaer used to grind some results in that way but still, it was hard to watch.
Finally, finally we have manager who set us up to play football in derby match. For me that is a huge progress already and good sign for future.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Since LVG left we were watching same shit in every single away game. Sit deep and wait on counter. Mourinho and Solskjaer used to grind some results in that way but still, it was hard to watch.
Finally, finally we have manager who set us up to play football in derby match. For me that is a huge progress already and good sign for future.
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The fact that we looked so comfortable in the first half is definitely an improvement. The way we passed the ball until the attacking third was something refreshing.

The first thing I wanted from the manager was to show he can set up a good system away from home in big games. The set pieces aside, we looked good even though in the last 10 minutes we lost control and it became a bit hectic. This is because the subs were terrible with Rashford, Zirkzee giving the ball away cheaply.

I dont doubt the attacking play will come. A good way to judge this will be the away FA cup trip/
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Since LVG left we were watching same shit in every single away game. Sit deep and wait on counter. Mourinho and Solskjaer used to grind some results in that way but still, it was hard to watch.
Finally, finally we have manager who set us up to play football in derby match. For me that is a huge progress already and good sign for future.
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Huh? Depending on which site you look at, we had 0.2-0.25 XG which is the worst or the 2nd worst in 3 years since ETH joined and that includes ETH's disaster results from last season. Why are we making out that performance to be much more than it is? We were set up to snatch a point from somewhere. Not once did it felt like we wanted to win the game.

What football did we play? Passing around aimlessly with zero threat so that we can up our possession stats? Controlling possession is useless if we barely threaten with it and Arsenal were only too happy to let us have the ball as we did feck all.
 
Real Name said:
Is his honeymoon over round here?

Or there wasnt a honeymoon at all.
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Ruud had the honey moon. Didn’t rock the boat, played a similar way. Amorim is preparing for next season much like when Klopp took over and finished 7th. I imagine we’ll see something similar.
 
I wonder in his eyes what will be more important a new CF or LB/LWB in January.

Realistically with the huge amount of money spent in the summer, at best he might only get 1 new player for the new year.
 
DJ_21 said:
Amorim as shown he can set us up with a clear system and style though and we actually look harder to play against.
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system set up is pretty obvious....he found wing backs in Amad and Dalot from what it seems, he looks ok with the CB's

the main issue and the MOST important positions in this system is where he is struggling to find guys and that is the two inside forwards/attack mids

the guys playing those roles right now ...1. Dont understand the movements and timing of runs and 2. aren't the best technically in tight spaces so they tend to revert to that "winger" type of role and get in the way of the wing backs
 
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