Some dans are really living in a delusional universe. A coach isn’t a magician. You can’t come in to a team in the bottom half and expect to suddenly be the best team in the country. Amorim has been amazing, a real breath of fresh air. City in 4th are 7 points ahead. Let’s calm down and see him develop this team without worrying what we’ll get out of this season. The answer is little.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The thing is, if you watch Spotting, they spring from defending into attacking at great speed! They commit numbers forward to create overloads! It seems clear that Ruben’s first job was to get us organised and hopefully now will start working with the attackers to create clear cut chances
we were organized for most of the match and he showed in his match selection that he was not naive, going with two actual defenders in the wing back positions. All our attackers are pretty much useless but we knew that already.
Only qualm I have is he keeps playing Amad at wing back. He is the best attacker at the club right now and i'd like to see him tried in the front 3 in this system. Really think he would excel. But that's a minor thing. So far, I think we are headed so far.
Only qualm I have is he keeps playing Amad at wing back. He is the best attacker at the club right now and i'd like to see him tried in the front 3 in this system. Really think he would excel. But that's a minor thing. So far, I think we are headed so far.
I agree! I’d try Garnacho at LWB and push Amad forward
I know it's his fourth game, Arsenal are challengers and much ahead of us in their development, yada, yada, yada, but I was not overly impressed with us yesterday. Despite Arsenal deciding to play on the counter we were overly cautious in the first half and were happy not to concede. The moment they showed more attacking intent and tempo in the second half we couldn't handle them. Folks will say that they only got set-piece goals but they had thirteen corners compared to zero for us. Which means that all the attacking intent was shown by them and we were pretty toothless. Besides the de Ligt header we failed to work their keeper even once. I don't think Saliba and Kiwior were ever in any sort of bother. I was fully expecting the result, in fact I had predicted a worse scoreline; however I would have liked to see from us than put in such a tame performance.
Ruben has it up against the wall trying to get much out of our attack. I don't think it would be outrageous to suggest that our combined attacking unit is not even top 6 quality. It's amazing that the club our size and reputation doesn't have a striker that is even half good as any striker we have had in the past. It's such a poor attacking unit.
Anyway, more than the result the performance left me disappointed a lot more. Hopefully, we will perform much better in the next two games and go with much more confidence to the Etihad the Sunday after next. Any kind of positive result in that game could be huge for our season.
Ruben has it up against the wall trying to get much out of our attack. I don't think it would be outrageous to suggest that our combined attacking unit is not even top 6 quality. It's amazing that the club our size and reputation doesn't have a striker that is even half good as any striker we have had in the past. It's such a poor attacking unit.
Anyway, more than the result the performance left me disappointed a lot more. Hopefully, we will perform much better in the next two games and go with much more confidence to the Etihad the Sunday after next. Any kind of positive result in that game could be huge for our season.
Agreed. I’m happy with what we are seeing. It’s clear what he is working at and the improvement is already showing. There will be some low points because of how far off we are and There is no magic wand. It’s going to take a lot of effort and some clever decision making to get consistency but we will get there.
I understand what you’re saying but can see why he went with the approach he did. We have had some savage beatings over the last couple of years and the last thing we needed here was another given we are looking to build belief with a new system.
It was a tough watch as a fan but on the flip side if Dalot finds the net at the end of the first half things could have been different. When we have more understanding of the system I can’t see us being so defensive in these games but at the moment we don’t offer enough threat at quality in the final third to go toe to toe with the likes of Arsenal.
Very important to bounce back with a win against Forest now but that’s certainly not a given.
Amorim is the man no doubt about this . We need better players you can’t coach dead hood . Hopefully he have some budget next month for a striker .
You didn't watch the game did you? Plenty of attacking moments simply broke down due to the quality of the players we had in those areas. Either due to lack of being technically good enough or looking a bit scared.
The reaction to last night has shined a massive light on the negative and clueless.
Then you really haven't been paying attention, because his selections are way more predictable than those of any recent manager - at least for now. Here's how it is: Onana, the back three (barring suspensions etc) and Bruno starts every game. Everybody else gets rotated. The only point of insecurity yesterday was which CB would stand in for Martinez, and even that was only because Shaw got injured again. Otherwise it was exactly as you'd expect.
To compare is to Stoke or Burnley after how we lost that game is a bit funny. DNA talk is tragic too.
I genuinely feel a bit bad for those who seemingly have zero patience.
Sorry but I feel like he can put together a forward line from mid table clubs in england and create a more potent attack. We have really spent unwisely in the last couple of years when it comes into forwards.
Clearly on a wind up. Fishing for reactions.
Good summary.
Basically. It's really simple, I shouldn't be surprised some are still struggling to be positive but I am.
Step to far last night, he did the right thing in the first half and shut arsenal kept the game quiet. Would of liked to see more attacking threat but some of that is down to a complete lack of quality in the forward areas.
Arsenal come out with more purpose in the second half and the goal changed the game. We were really under the cosh then. Did well to stay in the game in fairness but could never really muster an attacking threat.
Overall it was fine difficult away game we did our best to stay in it but were found lacking In quality. Something we knew anyway.
Our shape was good largely and despite being under pressure we kept arsenal to chances from corners mostly.
Clearly there is work to do it attacking areas,but we have been awful in attack for 3 years so it's not gonna happen overnight. Especially not with our current attacking options.
Arsenal come out with more purpose in the second half and the goal changed the game. We were really under the cosh then. Did well to stay in the game in fairness but could never really muster an attacking threat.
Overall it was fine difficult away game we did our best to stay in it but were found lacking In quality. Something we knew anyway.
Our shape was good largely and despite being under pressure we kept arsenal to chances from corners mostly.
Clearly there is work to do it attacking areas,but we have been awful in attack for 3 years so it's not gonna happen overnight. Especially not with our current attacking options.
I'm not sure I would even say that.
Their goals came from 2 corners which 1 of the goals gets flagged for a push in the back 9 times out of 10 if the player getting pushed doesn't play for Manchester United and the other goal came from a corner that shouldn't have even happened and came from Rashford making a meal out of possesing the ball
Exactly.
A key point for me is him saying he has to rotate because we can’t press the way he we are supposed to press with our current level and fitness and expect the players to not get injured.
Ten Hag would play the same team every week, the players would constantly get injured and we could never work out how to press properly.
Ten Hag would play the same team every week, the players would constantly get injured and we could never work out how to press properly.
He was also screaming at our players multiple times to either push forward with the ball / pass forward and move. Quite a few occasions last night where a chance was there for someone to do either of those but passed it back and either from the TV camera or it panning to him you could see he was frustrated and waving his arms to them in a forward motion. he clearly isn't happy with the desire to attack from the players right now, and with how we have been for a long time it will take time to break that down.
Understood all the rotation and the shape / defensive structure and attitude were all very good. I said in another thread, seeing the Arsenal players have licence to run about with reckless abandon after the ref warned the players about getting close to them was frustrating and we concede from 2 of them. Need to do better in attack, but on another day we score one of the De Ligt header (great save), Antony chance or even the Dalot shot. We will get there, I'm confident of that.
Understood all the rotation and the shape / defensive structure and attitude were all very good. I said in another thread, seeing the Arsenal players have licence to run about with reckless abandon after the ref warned the players about getting close to them was frustrating and we concede from 2 of them. Need to do better in attack, but on another day we score one of the De Ligt header (great save), Antony chance or even the Dalot shot. We will get there, I'm confident of that.
Poor troll attempt.
Clueless.
Indeed. I haven't a clue what people were genuinely expecting, away to Arsenal in great form while we have a new head coach while playing poorly all season. It's madness or folk are clearly on the wind up, or have zero patience.
I think many would agree that last nights game was a great indicator on who is up for the fight and who isn’t! We played well the first half, not overly bad in the second half, just so hard to defend corner set pieces which we will learn. Folks anyone complaining now is just a glory hunting impatient eejit, we have had so many managers and so many players, it’s so hard to undo habits and it will definitely take the rest of the season for Ruben to implement his system but from these early games I see something building quicker than expected!
I think some people have a hard time adapting to the reality that we are currently a mid-table team. They put all their hopes on Ten Hag being the only problem, and that if only we could get rid of him and get in a proper coach things would quickly turn around. But we are unsurprisingly still miles off, because we have a poorly constructed Frankenstein squad with too many players who are simply not good enough. No coach could fix this mess in a short time, especially not mid season.
I’d say we are in a comparable position to Liverpool when Klopp went there, and it took him years to get them to the top.
I'm positive because he quickly implemented the structure and positionally all our players fit together. Now we have a couple of big issues that aren't easily fixable with coaching and maybe impossible. We lack players that can beat their opponent 1v1 and most importantly outside of Amad and sometimes Bruno none of our player is comfortable passing and receiving the ball in tight spaces. Right now I think that 3 signings could transform the team, a ball playing CM and either 2 wingbacks or 1 wingback and an attacking midfielder depending on where Amad is going to settle.
Mainoo is comfortable in tight spaces.
The attack is the biggest problem, wing/backs and centre-mids be danged. They'd help control games but won't remedy our profligacy.
Strong arguments to lose Hojlund, Zirkzee and Rashford next season whereas Garnacho should be attempted elsewhere. Not sure any of them are the requisite quality.
The wage Rashford and Mount receive is a sufficient basis to move them out. It'll be difficult, but in no way are they worth such money.
Agree on all of that. I genuinely think within the squad he only has, say, 12 players he knows he can rely on fully, and most of them are defenders. We are nowhere near good enough in an attacking sense, and that's from years of under coaching and buying players that aren't good enough too. He's already implemented a structure and style, and even last night we broke well at times but poor decision making, passing and play let us down so we couldn't even build to an attempt. He's working with not a lot in that department.
Comparison with Liverpool when Klopp first went there is very apt.
Surprised to see so much critique towards our players from yesterdays game, I thought we did well, but eventually the better, more organised and well-drilled team won. Players like Hojlund and Mount are getting slammed for little reason.
Looks like we lost our rhythm in the 2nd half after the changes, and Arsenal seemed to adjust well. These corner kicks were the biggest game changer, which is fair to admit - they got us good.
If anything it showed me that Amorim set up the team nicely, and got beat by set-pieces and before we had to go forward and start taking risks, we were not outplayed. Better and more suited players are needed to challenge, but with what we have, that was an ok performance and a bad result.
Looks like we lost our rhythm in the 2nd half after the changes, and Arsenal seemed to adjust well. These corner kicks were the biggest game changer, which is fair to admit - they got us good.
If anything it showed me that Amorim set up the team nicely, and got beat by set-pieces and before we had to go forward and start taking risks, we were not outplayed. Better and more suited players are needed to challenge, but with what we have, that was an ok performance and a bad result.
WTF do people need to bring Rashford hate into every thread. He didn’t even start the fecking game yesterday. He scored 2 goals in his last one. Give it a rest.
To me he isn't good enough yet.
Why are people upset over the result? What were you expecting with these group of players? I’ll reserve my judgement of the manager until he has a few more games under his belt.
Hopefully the top 4/5 talk will also calm down as it’s a bit of a joke.
Hopefully the top 4/5 talk will also calm down as it’s a bit of a joke.
Think we all need to strap in for the rough ride. We’re gonna lose a hell of a lot of games this season. We’ve got city and Liverpool away in the next month and as hard as it is people are going to have to dissociate the emotional attachment to these games. Dunno about anyone else but I wasn’t particularly bothered about last night. At the very least we were competitive and solid in open play. But there was literally no way in hell we were ever winning that game.
Amorim for me has the hardest job of any manager post Fergie. Ten Hag has left him with the worse squad we’ve ever had, full of chancers and the most unathletic group of players you’ll ever see.
If he wants to give everyone an audition over these next few months great. Sink or swim.
He’s also playing a completely different system, one these players have very little experience with, so again it’s going to be very rough.
It’d be hard enough with a good group of players. He’s got plenty bad eggs in there.
Amorim for me has the hardest job of any manager post Fergie. Ten Hag has left him with the worse squad we’ve ever had, full of chancers and the most unathletic group of players you’ll ever see.
If he wants to give everyone an audition over these next few months great. Sink or swim.
He’s also playing a completely different system, one these players have very little experience with, so again it’s going to be very rough.
It’d be hard enough with a good group of players. He’s got plenty bad eggs in there.
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Spot on.
Around a year into his reign there where some LFC fans calling for his head(same with Arteta).
Ruben has been here 3 weeks with most of the squad on international duty on week 1.
Even though we lost last night we still looked better coached than we have in years(don’t forget some of the shite he still has to work with).
If it was not set pieces done us, and got a result his first half tactics would have been hailed as the best of best.
Given the situation of our squad, , he approached the match in right way(I know its not we want but sometimes we need to apply common sense),
bad luck we didn't build on in 2nd half but I think we will improve massively under Ruben in coming months.
Leaving entertainment aside, 1st half display was the most assured display we put up over the years.
Given the situation of our squad, , he approached the match in right way(I know its not we want but sometimes we need to apply common sense),
bad luck we didn't build on in 2nd half but I think we will improve massively under Ruben in coming months.
Leaving entertainment aside, 1st half display was the most assured display we put up over the years.