Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

macheda14 said:
Amad was absolutely gassed after Everton. We also set up much more defensively.

People (not you) saying we shouldn’t have set up pragmatically?? Fergie set up pragmatically away from home. Arteta does. A lot of big teams do when they are a relatively even level.

I saw enough from this game that I’m excited. We played very solid in the first half, has a system and players somehow remembered to pass. Second half we tired massively and the fact we are early in this journey showed. Being overly negative is fecking stupid and you need a reality check some of you.

(Again Blood Mage only the top part of the comment was a response to you)
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I didn’t watch the game, but I’ll ignore other posts and focus on your positivity. Not sure what else people expect after 3 games with a disjointed squad.
 
Marvin-ator said:
A hard watch? Up until the early 200s we went toe to toe - great entertaining battles. Pretty much after that, we aggressively bullied them year on year with a few exceptions.

It would hold up today purely down to one reason - desire. We had players that fought for the club then.
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You didn't read the post I was quoting, they referenced 2012.
 
Manchester United manager Ruben Amorim, speaking to Match of the Day, said: "The set-pieces changed the game. We could've been more aggressive towards the Arsenal box. Until the set pieces the game didn't have too many opportunities for both sides, the set pieces killed the game.

"They can put a lot of players near the goalkeeper and it's almost impossible to fight for the ball but we have to manage to defend them and we already know we have to be better.

"We were committed and we lost to the set pieces. If Matthijs [de Ligt] can score in that moment the momentum would be different. We tried to play but they are a very organised team and it's hard to score. I felt the players were in control of the game, the set pieces changed the game in the second half."
 
Playing Fernandes deep. I hope that's enough of that.

But I think him and Rashford will be massive issues for this coach.
 
RDCR07 said:
What makes you so sure it was the coaching and not the players?
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It looked like we were intentionally playing extremely conservative. I generally agree with @saik , we could have been a little more adventurous without taking huge risks. The first half felt like we were intentionally playing without the intention to take even a small amount of risk.
 
The set up was fine. Let down by the players. Heck, both goals came because our players gave the ball away cheaply.
 
Probably a positive that expectations are a bit reigned in, which eases the pressure a little. I think he'll do pretty well even with this squad this season. That Arsenal team is less impressive than a year or two ago in my view, they do not like the Champions elect, but this is a pretty poor league at the moment and was so also last year.

He'll find a lot out about these players in the coming months and a few of them might positively surprise people. But he'll obviously need to be supported with the squad build, not least in terms of getting people out the door, which we've really not been too good at.

Keep in mind that the players are learning on the job, as it were, and quite a few of them are playing in awkward positions and a host of players only just returning from injury with no genuine match fitness. He's at least lifted the atmosphere from what it was like a month ago when we were in free fall.
 
He's treating this like it's pre season and it makes sense given how he's rotating. And he's rotating given how shit the fitness has been of these players and how it's been neglected and somewhat allowed to happen.

The big problem is the lack of quality in our final third.
Hoijlund, zirkzee, mount, garnacho, rashford, Antony

That is about over 200m there. And it's lacking a lot between them.

If we can get a setup that the key players are used to then hopefully all we need is a few adjustment signings.

Yoro looked a positive. Maz has been a positive. Amad has done really well but hopefully with defence sorted (eg yoro, Deligt, Martinez, then we can have maybe dalot/malacia and maz as the wing backs allowing amad to be behind the striker / closer to the goal)

There are definitely positives
 
Telsim said:
Playing Fernandes deep. I hope that's enough of that.

But I think him and Rashford will be massive issues for this coach.
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Who else is going to play. Mainoo is returning from injury and was suspended, and Casemiro and Ercksen can't run.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
"We were committed and we lost to the set pieces. If Matthijs [de Ligt] can score in that moment the momentum would be different. We tried to play but they are a very organised team and it's hard to score. I felt the players were in control of the game, the set pieces changed the game in the second half."
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Very fair comments and I agree completely.
 
saivet said:
It looked like we were intentionally playing extremely conservative. I generally agree with @saik , we could have been a little more adventurous without taking huge risks. The first half felt like we were intentionally playing without the intention to take even a small amount of risk.
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Cause this set of players are great at listening to instructions and doing everything a manager asks?
 
RDCR07 said:
What makes you so sure it was the coaching and not the players?
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I've literally said that in my post. All the players were playing it back safe, not trying to take their man on, not making any forward passes, not making any forward runs. I can understand one or two players doing it because of their own lack of quality but not when all of them do it. That's on the coach's instructions for me.
 
It's going to be rocky for awhile. Relax.
 
pascell said:
I'm not expecting us to dominate them, just have a go at least, if we got suckered on a counter then so be it. Tonight we just didn't show any intent to go and hurt them until it was too late.



I definitely did and we never once went toe to toe with a big team. We always sat in and countered as ten Hag himself said he wanted us to be the best transitional side.

So, you thought we went for it in the first half tonight?

The way a team is set up is always down to the manager/head coach, they are the ones who set the tactics to be implemented in a game.
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What do you consider "going for it" then? We controlled possession over Arsenal in the first half, without being very threatening, but as I said before that was down to the shite execution of players that don't have enough quality. Would you rather have Garnacho kick and run the ball right at Saliba every time before being dispossessed? If Hojlund could actually get a ball to stick and play a runner through on goal would that then mean we "went for it"?

I'd agree with your assessment if we had actually packed our own box and just hoofed it long endlessly without ever committing anyone forward, but that's certainly not what we set out to do.
 
saik said:
I've literally said that in my post. All the players were playing it back safe, not trying to take their man on, not making any forward passes, not making any forward runs. I can understand one or two players doing it because of their own lack of quality but not when all of them do it. That's on the coach's instructions for me.
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I mean it's not. Just telling a team to be smart with the ball isn't the same as yelling at them Van Gaal style that they aren't allowed to shoot. We made plenty of runs but players like Garnacho/Malacia/Hojlund etc. don' thave the quality to see the runs. If you want our wingers to just mindlessly dribble into defenders so that they can say they "had a go" at them then I guess fair enough.
 
saik said:
You can literally chose to not reply mate. I'm a bit embarrassed that I have to keep telling this. If you have an issue with what I said, then debate it. Pointless posts like yours add nothing.
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I think he enjoys posting pointless abusive responses, seems to get off on it.
 
saik said:
I can understand one or two players doing it because of their own lack of quality but not when all of them do it. That's on the coach's instructions for me.
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I agree it was instructed, but given that the players did the job really well, especially first half. They should get the credit for being difficult to breakdown given some of the absolute comedy we’ve seen from our mids and Defs in recent times!
 
You can see we have some quality players, but not sure how Amorim is supposed to progress the team quickly with so many players that are either over the hill or not good enough.

It is encouraging though that Zirkzee aside all our summer signings look really good, we need to do the same next summer and we might get somewhere.

People are just going to have be realistic for now, we just have too many bad players.
 
Players giving the ball away so cheaply is a problem, we can't build anything upfront.

It's a work in progress.
 
That 1st half bar our chance creation in the final 3rd was excellent.

We looked very compact and moved the ball well. Once we progressed into the final 3rd, there was a lack of urgency and quality which let us down.

Set pieces undid us the 2nd half and we started losing way more 50-50 balls(we mopped most of them up in the 1st half). Subs had no impact on the game.

That said, the 1st half had a lot of positives. There's a clear imprint on the squad. Obviously, we still have ways to go. And I'm intrigued to see how we look with more time/new players brought in for the 1st XI.
 
E-mal said:
Has my support but needs to start being ruthless as soon as possible beginning in January
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Don't think he has a choice, we're skint mate. Best we can realistically expect in January is one of two outings and perhaps one signing if we're lucky.

This is pretty much the squad he has to work with until the end of the season.
 
I simply can’t fathom how anyone can take anything positive from that performance and I’m inclined to believe that people are forcing themselves to make up positives because they don’t want to criticise Amorim.

The fact of the matter is that we created nothing over 90 minutes. No goal threat. No penetration. No control near their box.

Controlling the football is useless if it entails passing the ball between the back five for minutes before playing it back to the keeper just to hoof it up the field and lose control.

That’s just as ineffective - and boring - as the shite we’ve been served by previous managers and I’m worried if that’s part of our plan.

I’m obviously not going to judge Amorim based on tonight but the tactics were unacceptable and frankly cowardly.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
What do you consider "going for it" then? We controlled possession over Arsenal in the first half, without being very threatening, but as I said before that was down to the shite execution of players that don't have enough quality. Would you rather have Garnacho kick and run the ball right at Saliba every time before being dispossessed? If Hojlund could actually get a ball to stick and play a runner through on goal would that then mean we "went for it"?

I'd agree with your assessment if we had actually packed our own box and just hoofed it long endlessly without ever committing anyone forward, but that's certainly not what we set out to do.
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Actually trying to attack a team that isn't just created from isolated counter attacks. We controlled possession by passing it around our defence the majority of the time for Onana to hoof it up front, that's not going to panic any opposition side.
 
KjaAnd said:
I simply can’t fathom how anyone can take anything positive from that performance and I’m inclined to believe that people are forcing themselves to make up positives because they don’t want to criticise Amorim.

The fact of the matter is that we created nothing over 90 minutes. No goal threat. No penetration. No control near their box.

Controlling the football is useless if it entails passing the ball between the back five for minutes before playing it back to the keeper just to hoof it up the field and lose control.

That’s just as ineffective - and boring - as the shite we’ve been served by previous managers and I’m worried if that’s part of our plan.

I’m obviously not going to judge Amorim based on tonight but the tactics were unacceptable and frankly cowardly.
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That didn't happen at all...
 
RDCR07 said:
Yeah what are you moaning about? We didn’t concede from open play away from home to the title challengers which means our setup was good.
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The well at least we didn't concede from open play rhetoric is worthless if you keep making the same mistakes on set pieces
 
The problem for him is we got City away next weekend. We better learn quick. Play a strong side against Forest and rest players in the Europa League to be ready for next Sunday. Pep and City will be out for revenge!
 
He cant do alot with that forward line. It just doesn't strike fear into the better sides.
 
Gfooty said:
The well at least we didn't concede from open play rhetoric is worthless if you keep making the same mistakes on set pieces
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What part of progress do you not understand? You think if ten Hag was in charge we would have only conceded from corners? What exactly were you expecting? Going to Emirates and dominating Arsenal? No fan will be happy with the outcome but if you don’t see progress in terms of formation, setup, passing then you might need glasses.
 
pascell said:
Actually trying to attack a team that isn't just created from isolated counter attacks. We controlled possession by passing it around our defence the majority of the time for Onana to hoof it up front, that's not going to panic any opposition side.
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We tried! Our attack is fecking shite! We got swallowed up in the final third! Mount and Garnacho are pretty awful creatively, as is Hojlund. Our wingbacks outside of them aren't any good in the final third either. So the result is them missing passes, not having enough ideas themselves, and ultimately saying "feck it someone else can try". That has nothing to do with Amorim (who by the way, already commented after the match that our attacking was poor and the players weren't creative enough, which clearly shows it wasn't "his instructions" or whatever shite some think).
 
There's definitely a lot to be hopeful about. We just need our future player recruitment to not fail him.

Back to his Sporting team, and, to me, it looked like the key player in getting the attack to work as well as it did was Trincao as one of the 10s. He could receive the ball inbetween the lines and keep hold of it under pressure, carry it forwards and dribble past opposition players. He knitted everything together like that.

We're not playing anyone with that profile there yet. Once we do, I think we'll see a noticeable improvement. Amad could potentially fill that role once we get some more defenders fit.
 
We were set up to play really defensive in the first half with a reliance on constantly passing backwards which was really disappointing and isnt what this club is about, we are not Burnley or Stoke who have been known to play defensive football we are Man Utd who's DNA is based on playing attacking football.
 
RDCR07 said:
What part of progress do you not understand? You think if ten Hag was in charge we would have only conceded from corners? What exactly were you expecting? Going to Emirates and dominating Arsenal? No fan will be happy with the outcome but if you don’t see progress in terms of formation, setup, passing then you might need glasses.
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What progress? Absolutely toothless loss to Arsenal, drew fecking Ipswich. Only 2 wins over a Norwegian Sunday league team (conceded 2 goals mind you) and a non existent Everton.

Should've kept Ruud
 
I have no criticism towards Amorim but I'm not sure the narrative that we tried something different today rings that true. I'm sure someone is probably going to correct me with facts and stats but under ETH, I remember quite a few of our games against Arsenal (especially at Emirates) being quite similar to today's game. Both teams didn't want to commit too forward (pressing or attacking i.e leaving space at the back) and let each other have a lot of the ball. Arsenal have never really played high pressing, expansive football against us, as it's always been quite cagey affairs with both teams getting 'chances' but ultimately Arsenal getting the result.

Obviously the wider context though is that Amorim is definitely looking to get us past this stage of low technical/physical level; his body language said it all.
 


Glad he was honest about this and I hope it puts pressure on our attacking players to pull the finger out. We got the ball in good areas, especially first half. All too keen to go backwards with it and 'control' possession.
 
Gfooty said:
What progress? Absolutely toothless loss to Arsenal, drew fecking Ipswich. Only 2 wins over a Norwegian Sunday league team (conceded 2 goals mind you) and a non existent Everton.

Should've kept Ruud
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This is so dumb.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
We were set up to play really defensive in the first half with a reliance on constantly passing backwards which was really disappointing and isnt what this club is about, we are not Burnley or Stoke who have been known to play defensive football we are Man Utd who's DNA is based on playing attacking football.
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Arsenal where set up extremely defensive too
 
criticalanalysis said:
I have no criticism towards Amorim but I'm not sure the narrative that we tried something different today rings that true. I'm sure someone is probably going to correct me with facts and stats but under ETH, I remember quite a few of our games against Arsenal (especially at Emirates) being quite similar to today's game. Both teams didn't want to commit too forward (pressing or attacking i.e leaving space at the back) and let each other have a lot of the ball. Arsenal have never really played high pressing, expansive football against us, as it's always been quite cagey affairs with both teams getting 'chances' but ultimately Arsenal getting the result.

Obviously the wider context though is that Amorim is definitely looking to get us past this stage of low technical/physical level; his body language said it all.
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I don't think we "tried something different", I just thought the structure looked far better and more organized both in and out of possession. We simply don't have anyone that was ever going to cause concern for Arsenal at the back, and once they realized that and committed more men forward they played for corners and won.

But the structure actually looks sustainable and something to build off of, unlike the majority of Ten Hag's games where it looked like we'd just win or lose on a coin flip and there weren't any obvious signs of sustainability in how we might get consistent perforamances. We'd press high, create a key turnover or two, spoon a chance, and then tire out and leave a single midfielder to cover 60 yards of ground while teams cut through us. Then we'd get the ball back after a save, and look to immediately play another fast outlet ball to a winger staying high and wide and do it all over again. It was like watching a shite basketball game where we'd just accept we were either going to win or lose based off of chance.
 
#07 said:


Glad he was honest about this and I hope it puts pressure on our attacking players to pull the finger out. We got the ball in good areas, especially first half. All too keen to go backwards with it and 'control' possession.
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So many times in the first half especially we had the ball in decent areas, with plenty forward to support the attack... and we just ended up going back to the centre halves or even keeper.

I get that we're moving away from the "move to ball forwards as quickly as possible" idea under the last three managers, but hopefully we start to see some kind of happy medium develop.
 
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