Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Love that he mentioned he wasn’t happy with the way we played despite winning 4-0. The result was good. Performance not to good. We let Everton have a lot of the ball. If we can win without playing good then we’re gonna be on fire when we start to click

Not just that but when we recruit the type of players that compliments his system.
Starting to believe Berrada's words about wanting to win the EPL title in 2 - 3 years. If we continue to improve and win despite playing in 1st or 2nd gear, it definitely is a possibility.
 
Having stood about 10metres away from Stuart Pearce, some ex Reading player and the ITV lot for their coverage on Saturday, it's not as obvious when they're just chit chatting versus actually doing the serious live bit as you'd think .
Sheeran is a dick nevertheless.
 
Didn't ETH start horribly, including having us suffer a 4-0 defeat to Brighton?
2 bad games to start before going on a enormous unbeaten run at home I believe…as crazy as it sounds I seem to remember EtH having a run of nearly 25-30 games or something unbeaten at Old Trafford.

Don’t quote me on the numbers. But along with Ole they both had huge periods of positive results.
 
People should care more for GD as it’s what cost us an extra title when city nicked it off us. People don’t because it’s rare teams finish on the same points.
Yeah it happened once (to us). But generally I don't care about narrow wins and the occasional big loss. Other factors, like the run being sustainable or playing at a strong level matters more. Remember that Fergie run with like ten 1-0s when VdS broke the record?
 
2 bad games to start before going on a enormous unbeaten run at home I believe…as crazy as it sounds I seem to remember EtH having a run of nearly 25-30 games or something unbeaten at Old Trafford.

Don’t quote me on the numbers. But along with Ole they both had huge periods of positive results.

I do remember some strong Old Trafford form, however even when it was good, I rarely felt we actually played as a team, where anybody could pop up and score a goal like today. It was very reliant on Rashford's purple patch. Then you have our away form under him which was always fairly shite.
 
Yeah it happened once (to us). But generally I don't care about narrow wins and the occasional big loss. Other factors, like the run being sustainable or playing at a strong level matters more. Remember that Fergie run with like ten 1-0s when VdS broke the record?
Ye, I’d take 1-0s ever week. 3pts is all that matters at the end of the day. The trouble with 1-0s though is if you switch of near the end of the match it soon becomes 1-1. I can’t settle during games unless we’re 2 up and it’s after 70 minutes. We always concede late corners when we’re only a goal up and it’s very nervous to watch.
 
Its just great to see a style of play after three games that he is trying to implement while under Ten Hag we were absolutely clueless and no one knew what type of style we played which was the biggest issue. He seems to be a mastermind at stretching teams and getting our players into the best positions to maximize output. I think we finally have a world class manager who will get the best out of the players at his disposal. Love how he is playing Rashford up top and getting the best out of him where Ten Hag struggled all season. Rashford is miles ahead of Hojlund in this moment of time. Don't let the two goals against Bodo fool you.
 
I hope the new manager bounce can last a few weeks longer.

But we need to be cautious as the last few managers at United have all started positively!

But personality wise he is coming across very well with everyone which is a good first step.

Excited for Wednesday!
What I like about him is that he doesn’t seem to be the kind of smart arse we’ve hired before. Says all the right things, is charismatic, seems to have the players inside already, and as long as he’s smart about it and does his job properly he’ll keep them onside, which is more than half the battle. Easy and lazy comparison to make but he reminds me of a young Jose, which was the best version of Jose.
 
I hope the new manager bounce can last a few weeks longer.

But we need to be cautious as the last few managers at United have all started positively!

But personality wise he is coming across very well with everyone which is a good first step.

Excited for Wednesday!
I think one difference is our manager bounce before Amorim didnt come with a complete revamp in playstyle to be a more modern one. So far we are moving forward in the terms of that, even if you dont count the results.
 
Yeah it happened once (to us). But generally I don't care about narrow wins and the occasional big loss. Other factors, like the run being sustainable or playing at a strong level matters more. Remember that Fergie run with like ten 1-0s when VdS broke the record?
Didnt we miss out on top 4 once because of GD too?
 
Should he have subbed Kobbie and Licha after third goal, what do people think out of interest?
 
Should he have subbed Kobbie and Licha after third goal, what do people think out of interest?
I mean they are both working their way back to fitness. I would have liked Amad and Rashford to be rested but they didn’t really play mid week game. It was a short run out.
 
Like his sobering comments in the post match interviews, we weren't good in many parts of the game but we were very clinical and composed in front of goal, and solid defensively for the most part, slowed down the game and kept the ball when needed.

His style is slowly taking shape but we need our players to perform better consistently for it to work better
 
Under ETH this season we scored 20 goals and conceded 16 in 13 games. 7 of those goals came against Barnsley. So in the remaining 12 games, not against lower league opposition, we scored 13 and conceded 16. Woeful. A goal a game for, 1.3 a game against.

Since he left, in 7 games, we have scored 19 and conceded 6.

Really shows how poorly we were organised.
That's damning.
 
Early days but looks like we’re getting what we ordered. What i appreciate most about Amorim is that we did not need to go through 3 bloody transfer windows to start seeing evidence about a style of play. Demanding players from the board before you are able to deliver the promised style of play sounds fraudulent. I believe a good manager should be able to demonstrate ideals with the available resources. The levels of efficacy of delivery is a different discussion but a style of play is paramount.

Another trait that has endeared the new manager to me is how he emphasises about the standards we need to be at as Manchester United Football Club. Relinquishing control to the likes of Everton (no disrespect intended) is not permissible if we ever intend on returning back to Elite Status. I’m hopeful he will be able to get players to remember the standards that must be upheld everytime the badge is donned.

I’m aware we will take a battering at some point this season but as long as the indicators around the progress we’re making is evident, I’m down for the ride.
 
Love that he mentioned he wasn’t happy with the way we played despite winning 4-0. The result was good. Performance not to good. We let Everton have a lot of the ball. If we can win without playing good then we’re gonna be on fire when we start to click
Exactly. For too long we’ve been blinded by results over performances. I loved what he said after we drew vs Ipswich. He could have played a different way, maybe won, but next year United will still have the same issues.

Performances are more important them results for the long term benefit of the project.
 
It's amazing how Amorim is able to turn united into a winning team. Just a few seasons ago, United lost to Everton by 4 goals and now United beat them by 4 goals. It's an 8 goals defecit. Truly extraordinary!
 
Exactly. For too long we’ve been blinded by results over performances. I loved what he said after we drew vs Ipswich. He could have played a different way, maybe won, but next year United will still have the same issues.

Performances are more important them results for the long term benefit of the project.

That's why if you eliminate the euphoria of the 4 goals and the performance of a few players; we didn't really create the goal chances via his attacking approach. More like we scored capitalising on defensive mistakes.

The patterns of play is still not that apparent especially in the final third
 
That's why if you eliminate the euphoria of the 4 goals and the performance of a few players; we didn't really create the goal chances via his attacking approach. More like we scored capitalising on defensive mistakes.

The patterns of play is still not that apparent especially in the final third
Top teams do that. They press and make sure other teams make mistakes. Very important we continue to press high.

Patterns of play will come with each passing week. It is difficult to build one when you play 1 game every 3 days. You just have to go one step at a time. But the performance is far better than whatever we have produced in last 18 months.
 
It definitely didn't, we'd win often win games late, hence the popularity of the phrase 'Fergie time'. There were some great comebacks required in games as well. We had some brilliant players and great teams, but every game wasn't a procession under Fergie.

Don't get me wrong, everyone wants to see their side do well and reach the dizzy heights, but it's not realistic to have every player provide a faultless performance every week and stroll through every game to a 5-0 victory. The way a lot of people talk and criticise, it feels like that's what they expect.

It wouldn't even be that fun after a while if it did happen, people would just become highly unreasonable and moan about the team for any perceived negative performance or result.
For twenty something years we were favored in all but maybe 4-5 games every season. I understand people have unrealistic expectations but that was a reality united fans were lucky enough to experience for decades. Your last point is also true. The caf during that time would argue over minor things, complain after winning titles etc. It's just what happens to a fanbase so spoiled on success.
 
That's why if you eliminate the euphoria of the 4 goals and the performance of a few players; we didn't really create the goal chances via his attacking approach. More like we scored capitalising on defensive mistakes.

The patterns of play is still not that apparent especially in the final third
While I agree with you, I do think there's a difference already. The 3rd goal against Bodo and the 2nd Rashford goal today, simple but we rarely scored those type under ETH. I think those goals point to a better approach to feeding the striker.
 
That's why if you eliminate the euphoria of the 4 goals and the performance of a few players; we didn't really create the goal chances via his attacking approach. More like we scored capitalising on defensive mistakes.

The patterns of play is still not that apparent especially in the final third

Yes and no. I think the plan is obvious. To expect a pattern of play after no preseason and just 3 weeks is too much. But let’s look at the positives.

1) Bruno no longer wasting possession with his Hollywood passes.
2) No stupid long shots from Bruno or Rashford
3) Players are now passing from positions they’d usually shoot from. Zirkzee early on to Amad, most of Amad’s assists.
4) We are better at keeping possession from defence to attack.

You can’t expect someone to become a boxer after after one boxing session. But you can see if they’ve taken on board what they learnt and are trying to implement it.
 
Love that he mentioned he wasn’t happy with the way we played despite winning 4-0. The result was good. Performance not to good. We let Everton have a lot of the ball. If we can win without playing good then we’re gonna be on fire when we start to click
Came here to say the same thing. We actually weren’t very good in our overall play despite the score line and it was great to listen to a manager actually acknowledge that.
 
Under ETH this season we scored 20 goals and conceded 16 in 13 games. 7 of those goals came against Barnsley. So in the remaining 12 games, not against lower league opposition, we scored 13 and conceded 16. Woeful. A goal a game for, 1.3 a game against.

Since he left, in 7 games, we have scored 19 and conceded 6.

Really shows how poorly we were organised.
Good grief. That's horrendous.
 
One perhaps minor thing that I noticed in this last game is how we kept possession of the ball right off the first kick-off; in the previous regime we always used to kick off, send it back to one of our defenders, who would then launch it deep, and inevitably we'd cede possession. Not a big thing, but that used to drive me crazy.
 
While I agree with you, I do think there's a difference already. The 3rd goal against Bodo and the 2nd Rashford goal today, simple but we rarely scored those type under ETH. I think those goals point to a better approach to feeding the striker.
I agree. There seems more organisation, with players seeming to know where the other will be. Fleeting moments, but certainly more so from the right side.

I just dont want to fall in the trap like with ETH where silverware/results masked the crappy, one-dimensional play that he developed over the past 24 months. We are making baby steps.
 
Top teams do that. They press and make sure other teams make mistakes. Very important we continue to press high.

Patterns of play will come with each passing week. It is difficult to build one when you play 1 game every 3 days. You just have to go one step at a time. But the performance is far better than whatever we have produced in last 18 months.

Agree. The fact that we have been scoring so many more goals since ETH left is progress enough.

And long may it continue.
 
One perhaps minor thing that I noticed in this last game is how we kept possession of the ball right off the first kick-off; in the previous regime we always used to kick off, send it back to one of our defenders, who would then launch it deep, and inevitably we'd cede possession. Not a big thing, but that used to drive me crazy.
This is quite a big change to be fair. It shows that we’re trying to keep possession a lot more rather than waste it. Same with Onana doing less long balls like he used to do. The long ball he did do against Everton actually found one of our players.
 
That's why if you eliminate the euphoria of the 4 goals and the performance of a few players; we didn't really create the goal chances via his attacking approach. More like we scored capitalising on defensive mistakes.

The patterns of play is still not that apparent especially in the final third
Its called forcing errors. Its why klopps liverpool press like possessed mad hounds up top for 90 mins.
 
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it but when was the last time we saw 6/7 changes to a team and we play with an identity?

I remember Jose, he never used to like to rotate much, Ole did a few times in the cup games but we looked out of sorts.. Ten Hag made excuses when he had to change the team.

Amorim, comes in and makes 6 changes per game and we play with identity. He plays a ST one game and a false 9 another game but instead of using the same structure for both, changes it to suit.

Playing Rashford with Zirkzee, meaning Zirkzee pulls CB out, Rashford drifts centrally which created space for Amad. When Hojlund plays he plays more 10's to get closer to him.

Just shows his adaptability as a coach.

My main negative would be the midfield, we are still too easy to play against, alot of times Everton played into the lines and we were not tight or just not aggressive.

We cannot play like that against Arsenal, so it will be interesting to see how he adapts against a big team.