Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

saik said:
I'd like nothing more than to see our more of our youth players get chances but there needs to be a balance. Promoting youth at Sporting is so much more different than promoting youth at United in the PL. As Amorim himself said, we are a global club. There's a lot more scrutiny, pressure and expectations if you are playing for United. I hope he's sensible enough to see who are the young players ready for the first team rather than just throwing them in just for the sake of it like LVG did.

I agree we'd all be more lenient if he promoted youth but I'd say we'd be more happy if he actually gets our under performing first team players to improve.
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Obviously, but here we're talking about the specific scenario where you described having to play boys who refuse to run back due to a lack of options. There should be absolute zero tolerance if that's the case. That should be unequivocal. That's the only way we can root out remnants of such a culture. Basically do what Arteta did with the likes of Aubameyang. And if there's no replacement in the first team, even if for the interim (till the next window), promote youth.


If we don't, the manager (head coach) has no hope, as indiscipline will spread like a virus.
 
Jim Beam said:
That is a brilliant answer about Rashford & Casemiro trip to USA. Neville for all his foolishness thinks (if he was in their place) he wouldn't made that decision to travel. He wouldn't do it because he couldn't... As clubs standards were firmly by the time he came into the team and even his teammates would resent him for such decision.

In any case, he comes across really, really well. Hope he keeps that smile with him as long as possible.
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I do think the problem with Neville is that he often refers to standards and things in his day. While you United were a top club then, we're talking 30 years since he broke into the team and over 10 years since he retired. Football has changed, society has changed and people have changed. That's not to say there's nothing to learn but going to New York for a few days isn't all that dramatic.

Like you, I think Amorim handled the question perfectly.
 
saivet said:
I do think the problem with Neville is that he often refers to standards and things in his day. While you United were a top club then, we're talking 30 years since he broke into the team and over 10 years since he retired. Football has changed, society has changed and people have changed. That's not to say there's nothing to learn but going to New York for a few days isn't all that dramatic.

Like you, I think Amorim handled the question perfectly.
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Amorim also more or less said that kind of thing won’t be happening again, so while not being dramatic, still wasn’t right
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Amorim also more or less said that kind of thing won’t be happening again, so while not being dramatic, still wasn’t right
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The way I read it, Amorim's point seemed to be the issue was more about them having 5 days off (something the club gave them), rather than them going to the US. He talked about having more than 3 days throwing off their rhythm which to me is a separate point to Neville.

Neville's angle seemed more from a professionalism or perception angle which I don't think Amorim was getting at.
 
saivet said:
The way I read it, Amorim's point seemed to be the issue was more about them having 5 days off (something the club gave them), rather than them going to the US. He talked about having more than 3 days throwing off their rhythm which to me is a separate point to Neville.

Neville's angle seemed more from a professionalism or perception angle which I don't think Amorim was getting at.
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Amorim said Nevilles view was because he was under a leadership that wouldn't stand for that sort of behaviour, and he wanted the club to change their standards accordingly. I'm quite sure Amorim doesn't have the best impression of Rashford as a result.

Of course it's just a first impression and that can change.
 
VP89 said:
Amorim said Nevilles view was because he was under a leadership that wouldn't stand for that sort of behaviour, and he wanted the club to change their standards accordingly. I'm quite sure Amorim doesn't have the best impression of Rashford as a result.

Of course it's just a first impression and that can change.
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Agree. Rashford and Case were allowed the time off and ability to go to the US prior to Amorim being in situ, so he can't really say anything - not without creating additional drama, which is clearly not Amorims style. We can see he is all about protecting his players, so i very much doubt we will airing of dirty laundry in public, like when Ten Hag spoke about Sancho post the Arsenal away loss.

I still stand by the fact that Ten Hag shot himself in the d1ck that day by creating a bunch of additional noise that was not needed. As much of a cretin as Sancho is, a manager questioning a players standards in training isnt going to go down well. Nor will making himn train with the under 18s. It will only create press drama and put the players nose out of joint, as well as pissing off other player. Not to mention further devaluing a players value, especially one you want rid of.

Maybe you can do it when you're Pep or SAF with a bunch of credit in the bank and a team united behind you, but Ten Hag was never in the place.

Much prefer Amorims style of keeping it in house.

It seemed from the interview that the intention is for standards to change in future.
 
Fun fact: Ole and ETH were both sacked because they weren't good enough. Who was better who was worse? Who bloody cares... Time to get the feck over it and move on.
 
Shiva87 said:
Fantastic press conference and completely owned the press.

Good to see someone with a smile on the face again, but seems to also be clear with what he wants to do. If it fails, it fails - but love the fact that he says that he has to win time: it’s not going to come if results are not there.
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Yea I think he means with the press 'win time' etc.
Well give him time if there's a clear progression with which we can extrapolate future success
 
P4rthen0n said:
That really reads like how we portuguese say it :lol:
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I must say I love his Portuguese accent (both in English and in Portuguese.) it’s funny because the Portuguese I hear in Toronto I always found a bit grating, but then I visited Lisbon. Magical!
 
He is extremely impressive.

I couldn't stand Rangnick and there was never anything really separating Ten Hag from other middling options like Poch, then once he got the job he depressed me everytime he spoke... but Amorim gives me hope
 
On a serious note, was curious to watch his interview with Neville and the press conference today but can't do it because it feels weird to me watching the guy speaking in english and everything he does or he says is completely blown out of proportion for the good or the bad let's say, guess it's the price of being on a global club where he isn't only going to be insulted by guys on the UK + Ireland or even Continental Europe but also Africa, Asia, North America, you name it.

Being a guy who started watching football in the 90's I am reaching a point where the social media + global sports channels they are completely turning football into a reality show, it's much more difficult to be a football coach this days, not only regarding how you express yourself, but 24 hours cycles of football media, hundreds of podcasts, a random guy from another continent on social media ( only an example) telling how much you suck as a coach or a player, players and their agents and social media stans.

It's just crazy man, I am open for evolution and all that but the external factors of football are going on a certain way that are sucking the joy of watching a simple game of football.

On a certain way it is much more demanding for the mental health of players and coaches when you reach the top level this days than it was 20 years ago.

Knowing that there was a lot of bad things for the protection of the players in the past not only regarding tackles but also sport science, medicine, fitness, recovery, nutrition and all that.
 
When ETH first came in, I was excited about the style more than the man himself. Now Im excited to have someone who has the potential to not only set us up correctly, but galvanise the whole squad and the fanbase through his character.

We need to be patient in the first few weeks, the two things he has mentioned so far is he wants us to hold onto the ball, and be better at chasing back. Expect a lot of tired legs and a lot of simple passing that might not lead to much, until the squad is able to grasp the patterns of play and become efficient. Its exciting that we can make these changes now, and really set ourselves up for a strong finish to the season, and by next season, things should be close to full motion.
 
RedFanaticTattooist said:
Honestly i don't give a flying feck how he talks. He could be a shouting monster telling crap about our players i wouldn't give a shite as long as the team starts to show some lifesigns. Only results matter. We had some sweet talking guys in charge already, like Ole or Moyes and they all failed.
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:lol: Moyes was sweet talking?
 
"I understand we will need more than 2 years, but we have to win something, somewhere."

I think he will go full strength in the cups and Europa. He understands it is important at United to win trophies if you want to ask for patience in the league.
 
Solius said:
Watching the interview with Neville and he's such a great speaker. The way he elaborates on things and caveats it to avoid potentially being misquoted, etc.. is brilliant. Especially considering it's not his native language.

Love it. Done everything right so far.
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Liked the bit at the end where he mentioned about wanting to meet Keano and Fergie, doesn't understand horses though so maybe should take him racing.
 
These quotes are good and all, but why do people magically think our team is suddenly going to keep the ball and run their arses off? Has he seen certain players strolling around, and other certain players who can't keep hold of the ball without seeing their names in lights? I'm under no illusions that Rashford and Bruno will remain as much a problem now as they did before. Bruno while his heart is in it, just isn't that guy who's suddenly going to change his game and become a possession type player. Rashford simply isn't good enough for us and never was and he checked out with the latest contract and will no doubt do the bare minimum until he inevitably falls out with the manager and gets a sulk on.
 
croadyman said:
Liked the bit at the end where he mentioned about wanting to meet Keano and Fergie, doesn't understand horses though so maybe should take him racing.
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I like that he said we need a Keane like player right now. Shows that he appreciates Keanes greatness but also what this team is missing.
 
klayton88 said:
These quotes are good and all, but why do people magically think our team is suddenly going to keep the ball and run their arses off? Has he seen certain players strolling around, and other certain players who can't keep hold of the ball without seeing their names in lights? I'm under no illusions that Rashford and Bruno will remain as much a problem now as they did before. Bruno while his heart is in it, just isn't that guy who's suddenly going to change his game and become a possession type player. Rashford simply isn't good enough for us and never was and he checked out with the latest contract and will no doubt do the bare minimum until he inevitably falls out with the manager and gets a sulk on.
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I'd say it's mainly because we were set up to get the ball forward at all costs the minute we won back possession under ETH. It was very much gung-ho basketball tactics. Of course, when that is the instruction, a lot of risky, stupid passes will be made.

I think you're right about Bruno & Rashford though and they will be slowly phased out the team. Who knows - maybe Amorim can do something with Bruno though.
 
klayton88 said:
These quotes are good and all, but why do people magically think our team is suddenly going to keep the ball and run their arses off? Has he seen certain players strolling around, and other certain players who can't keep hold of the ball without seeing their names in lights? I'm under no illusions that Rashford and Bruno will remain as much a problem now as they did before. Bruno while his heart is in it, just isn't that guy who's suddenly going to change his game and become a possession type player. Rashford simply isn't good enough for us and never was and he checked out with the latest contract and will no doubt do the bare minimum until he inevitably falls out with the manager and gets a sulk on.
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Different ideas lead to different outcomes.

We aren't going to be the best pressing team, or retain possession like City. That will take seasons. But we can expect certain players who potentially didn't work in one system, to work better in others. Take Amad for example, his best position is closer to the middle of the pitch, but under ETH, he had to play further out wide, and now he gets a chance to play closer to the action. In theory, that should see his game lift. However, naturally some players like struggle if they can't reinvent themselves.

We have more than enough talent to finish in the top 4, and play a decent style of football.
 
santeria13 said:
I'd say it's mainly because we were set up to get the ball forward at all costs the minute we won back possession under ETH. It was very much gung-ho basketball tactics. Of course, when that is the instruction, a lot of risky, stupid passes will be made.

I think you're right about Bruno & Rashford though and they will be slowly phased out the team. Who knows - maybe Amorim can do something with Bruno though.
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Bruno is 30 and really only has maybe 2 years before he starts to slow down, and I believe that because he plays the game at a high intensity and never misses a game. Those players rarely age well. The only thing would be if Amorim can get him to slow down and become a more effective system player.

By the time we are competing for a title, I expect Bruno to just be a squad player, and not a guaranteed name on the team sheet.
 
Pexbo said:
There’s a reason Ole was sacked. It’s mad that people have forgotten and choose to wistfully compare him to ten Hag
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Ole did better in the bigger competitions. Indeed, ETH's league performances (which is the bread and butter) are the worst of all our PL managers and I'm fairly confident in saying that his results in Europe were also our worst. ETH did do better in the domestic cups, but he also had easier cup runs (both played mostly PL opposition, but ETH got most at home whereas Ole was mostly away). While we certainly had poor periods, overall we also played much better football under Ole than we did with ETH.

Ole needed to be sacked, and indeed should have been sacked earlier than he was, but I enjoyed his time here more than I did ETH.

Neither were building anything that would see us improve and become a challenger at the top. Which is hopefully what Amorim will do.
 
sparx99 said:
Huh? You mean Braga just north of Porto and firmly in Portugal?
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:lol:

Thanks for the geography lesson. Didn't knew it was in Portugal having been there about 15 times. They are strange people.
 
SCP said:
You mean in the few months he worked there he upgraded his level of gallego? Surprising.
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To be fair Bracarenses are Moroccan and the Vimaranenses are the real Spaniards.
 
Ruben gives up hope this is the most important thing for us . Personally I think we have the best young manager in world . We given time to every manager we had only Moyes had 8/9 months all the rest had years . Ruben is a modern manager he won’t break our hearts like the rest hopefully
 
I am really looking forward to seeing our new head coach take on the challenge to get us back up there where we belong and wish him all the luck in the world to achieve that.
Hopefully this will be the start of a successful era.
 
I still can't get around all the hate Bruno gets. Rashford is understandable but Bruno is always 100 per cent.
 
MF1138 said:
Fun fact: Ole and ETH were both sacked because they weren't good enough. Who was better who was worse? Who bloody cares... Time to get the feck over it and move on.
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Well said.

EtH is gone, Amorim is here and I want to see what he does.
 
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