Roy Keane is a bad example to kids.

AYE <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

....and work on that aiming, he missed Haarland's kneecap by a mile :mad:
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>yep kiddies, remember
whatever you do,

DONT TELL THE TRUTH
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>yep kiddies, remember
whatever you do,

DONT TELL THE TRUTH
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what a load of shite, he was not being hammered for telling the truth, but for the actions he took.
With your logic it is ok to go and murder someone as long as you tell the truth about it afterwards?
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Originally posted by redinoz:
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what a load of shite, he was not being hammered for telling the truth, but for the actions he took.
With your logic it is ok to go and murder someone as long as you tell the truth about it afterwards?</strong><hr></blockquote>

:confused: Did Keano murder someone???
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Originally posted by redinoz:
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what a load of shite, he was not being hammered for telling the truth, but for the actions he took.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ofcource it's for telling the truth. He was already banned for the tackle.
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A point of interest. If Keane has been punished apparently for telling the truth and for making money out of it - then what was his defence at the hearing ? That Dunphy had embellished the story and that what appeared in the book was not the truth ? The FA obviously concluded that what was in the book was the truth and that Roy's contention that it wasn't was thrown out.
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>A point of interest. If Keane has been punished apparently for telling the truth and for making money out of it - then what was his defence at the hearing ? That Dunphy had embellished the story and that what appeared in the book was not the truth ? The FA obviously concluded that what was in the book was the truth and that Roy's contention that it wasn't was thrown out.</strong><hr></blockquote>

"Read Keano's autobiography where the no nonsense footballer tells it how it is"...

fa: "you're gonna get banned for that, Roy"
Roy: "Shit, it was all nonsense, it was totally different to that"

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Originally posted by redinoz:
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what a load of shite, he was not being hammered for telling the truth, but for the actions he took.
With your logic it is ok to go and murder someone as long as you tell the truth about it afterwards?</strong><hr></blockquote>


If I remember correctly this player is still alive, Roy has already taken a four-match ban for this last year. Should we then go through every book players have published and every comment they make in the weekend papers and give them another ban and fine if we don't like what they have to say!

The FA has made a rod for there own back with this one! And as UTD fans we should take every chance in the future to remind them so. Other players get send off and talk about why, in both books and to the papers shall we slap them with a £150,000 fine as well?

Could be a good way of paying for the new over priced stadium they intend to build!


To the FA, well done for getting yourselves into another mess!

Although they are clearly not interested in our comments as they so cleverly cover them selves below with the Customer relation’s comment.

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Personally I think Keano deserves all he gets on this one. His four match ban was for a very bad tackle/foul on Haarland and was well deserved. Had it been known at the time that the tackle was not clumbsy or badly timed but was in fact peurposefully intended to do harm he would probably have got ten weeks back then.
What Keane did was far worse than Cantona's indiscretion at Palace and I think he (Keane) got off lightly.
 
Originally posted by ManUinOz:
<strong>Personally I think Keano deserves all he gets on this one. His four match ban was for a very bad tackle/foul on Haarland and was well deserved. Had it been known at the time that the tackle was not clumbsy or badly timed but was in fact peurposefully intended to do harm he would probably have got ten weeks back then.
What Keane did was far worse than Cantona's indiscretion at Palace and I think he (Keane) got off lightly.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He did get what the deserved, he was band for 4 games, this is about freedom of speech, this is about an FA would think they have the right to stop the players having a voice, even if that voice relates to the darker side of the game.

The current FA are the biggest dictatorship the game has every seen, who do the think they are?

I do not approve of what Roy did! It is a black mark on a great player’s time in the game! However the FA took the action they took at the time and gave him a ban. What they are now saying is they Roy has now right to be open about what he did even if he regrets it or not.

This is bad new for all players, it takes freedom of speech out of the game, any player who has been banned at some point now has no right to ever put in black and white, why?

We all worked out at the time what Roy did! So did the FA and they took the actions they found to be fit, or did they?
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The FA will have to look at every tackle now and see if it was "an act of revenge". Look at Gerrard in the C.Shield, the 1st thing he did was try to take Viera out, now if that wasn't blatant I dont know what is. How are they going to tell the difference between genuine tackles and retaliation, its so so stupid. Why is it that no sprts governing body seems to be able to use common sense, you can really see why the referees are crap!
 
Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
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This is bad new for all players, it take freedom of speech out of the game, </strong><hr></blockquote>

So next time some one calls Heskey a black Cnut, it's OK. Freedom of speech and all. When Keano was before the FA for his initial hearing for the foul did he say it was deliberataley intended to hurt haaland, of course not.
This is not about free speech, it's about all footballers having the right to walk onto the pitch without fearing that some thug with a grudge is out to get them.
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Originally posted by ManUinOz:
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So next time some one calls Heskey a black Cnut, it's OK. Freedom of speech and all. When Keano was before the FA for his initial hearing for the foul did he say it was deliberataley intended to hurt haaland, of course not.
This is not about free speech, it's about all footballers having the right to walk onto the pitch without fearing that some thug with a grudge is out to get them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And GOD made the world and in it he made football and yow he made the players perfect, they loved each other and kissed and huged all day but now and again they scored a goal!

Get real!
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Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>The FA will have to look at every tackle now and see if it was "an act of revenge". Look at Gerrard in the C.Shield, the 1st thing he did was try to take Viera out, now if that wasn't blatant I dont know what is. How are they going to tell the difference between genuine tackles and retaliation, its so so stupid. Why is it that no sprts governing body seems to be able to use common sense, you can really see why the referees are crap!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally agree with you, but if Gerrard where to write a book that would be ever worse than what he did in the first place!
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Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
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And GOD made the world and in it he made football and yow he made the players perfect, they loved each other and kissed and huged all day but now and again they scored a goal!

Get real!</strong><hr></blockquote>

The world ain't perfect and footballers will get hurt in the game. However to deliberately set out to do that is wrong. What part of that don't you understand?
Ifv this was done by Tiatto on Beckham, Giggs or any of our players we would all be calling for his head.
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Originally posted by ManUinOz:
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The world ain't perfect and footballers will get hurt in the game. However to deliberately set out to do that is wrong. What part of that don't you understand?
Ifv this was done by Tiatto on Beckham, Giggs or any of our players we would all be calling for his head.</strong><hr></blockquote>

correct.
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Originally posted by ManUinOz:
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The world ain't perfect and footballers will get hurt in the game. However to deliberately set out to do that is wrong. What part of that don't you understand?
Ifv this was done by Tiatto on Beckham, Giggs or any of our players we would all be calling for his head.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you read what I have already said, he got a four match ban from the FA. If you get a fine for driving to fast, you don't expect to get two more a year latter because you happen to tell someone about it, and it gets back to the pigs that told people!

What part of that do you not understand?

We have had our players out for months because of bad play for other teams players, however they have been red carded at the time served the ban and thats it! finished. Should we then start reading every word they put down to check if they ever talk about it again?
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Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
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If you read what I have already said, he got a four match ban from the FA. If you get a fine for driving to fast, you don't expect to get two more a year latter because you happen to tell someone about it, and it gets back to the pigs that told people!

What part of that do you not understand?</strong><hr></blockquote>
He got as four match ban for a bad tackle resulting in a sending off. This ban is for a different offence, bringing the game into disrepute, which he has undoubtedly done by his admission he deliberately intended to hurt a fellow professional. He hasn't been done twice for the same offence.
In your motoring analogy if you have an accident and get fined and then later reveal you deliberately mowed somebody down I think you would soon get a visit from the boys in blue.
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Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
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If you read what I have already said, he got a four match ban from the FA. If you get a fine for driving to fast, you don't expect to get two more a year latter because you happen to tell someone about it, and it gets back to the pigs that told people!

What part of that do you not understand?</strong><hr></blockquote>


do you have trouble thinking and typing or something?
He hasn't been charged with the same offence twice. He got a four match ban for the tackle back when it happened and was found guilty on two further counts of bringing the game into disrepute, premiditated assault and profiting from illegal actions.
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Originally posted by ManUinOz:
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He got as four match ban for a bad tackle resulting in a sending off. This ban is for a different offence, bringing the game into disrepute, which he has undoubtedly done by his admission he deliberately intended to hurt a fellow professional. He hasn't been done twice for the same offence.
In your motoring analogy if you have an accident and get fined and then later reveal you deliberately mowed somebody down I think you would soon get a visit from the boys in blue.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes if you did then you would, but this is not someone who has been killed!

I still feel that the FA reviewed what happened at the time and if you note gave a ban that was over the normal for a red card. Would this not have implied that they new something over the top had happened at the time, otherwise it would have been a standard three match ban!
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Originally posted by mickyg:
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do you have trouble thinking and typing or something?
He hasn't been charged with the same offence twice. He got a four match ban for the tackle back when it happened and was found guilty on two further counts of bringing the game into disrepute, premiditated assault and profiting from illegal actions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You can't punish for motive. Bringing the game into disrepute is just a fluff charge isn't it? How many footballers bring the game into disrepute each year?
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Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
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I still feel that the FA reviewed what happened at the time and if you note gave a ban that was over the normal for a red card. Would this not have implied that they new something over the top had happened at the time, otherwise it would have been a standard three match ban!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed, but Keano probably got a lengthy ban because of his previous record as well.

I'm all for players going in hard, and if someone gets hurt so be it. My favourite player was Robbo, who did this week in, week out, but I feel this one was different and should be treated as such.
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Originally posted by spinoza:
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You can't punish for motive. Bringing the game into disrepute is just a fluff charge isn't it? How many footballers bring the game into disrepute each year?</strong><hr></blockquote>

How can you bring a game into disrepute when it is run by the like's of the FA anyway, with the Money the have waisted on WEMBLY, resulting in us having no national stadium for years and taking Millions out of the game, it a joke!
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Originally posted by ManUinOz:
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Agreed, but Keano probably got a lengthy ban because of his previous record as well.

I'm all for players going in hard, and if someone gets hurt so be it. My favourite player was Robbo, who did this week in, week out, but I feel this one was different and should be treated as such.</strong><hr></blockquote>

OK!
This one was that bit different, I remember feeling sick when saw it, not because it was bad but because it was relating the past events, but the FA should have let it be, we all new it at the time as they did and that was it. They have opened up a real gray area for them selves!
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Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
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How can you bring a game into disrepute when it is run by the like's of the FA anyway, with the Money the have waisted on WEMBLY, resulting in us having no national stadium for years and taking Millions out of the game, it a joke!</strong><hr></blockquote>


2 different issues mate
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Originally posted by spinoza:
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You can't punish for motive. Bringing the game into disrepute is just a fluff charge isn't it? How many footballers bring the game into disrepute each year?</strong><hr></blockquote>

yes you can mate. Intent is the most important thing in any criminal act.
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>yep kiddies, remember
whatever you do,

DONT TELL THE TRUTH
:mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Good man Murt!
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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>the simple fact is that he was a mug for not waiting until he'd retired from the game.

as it is, he reaps what he sows.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only problem is nobody's interested once you've retired - you're yesterday's man.
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Originally posted by mickyg:
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yes you can mate. Intent is the most important thing in any criminal act.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Bingo. Its the difference between life imprisonment and discretionary sentencing in some offences.

Interesting thread.

I think that Keane should have been banned for allowing something ridiculous bearing his name to be published.

He's a mentalist.
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I'm going to go to work tomorrow and belt this bloke who has pissed me off, then tell millions of people I wanted to do him.

Hopefully i'll get a few weeks off work at worst.

;)
 
Originally posted by Nate:
<strong>I'm going to go to work tomorrow and belt this bloke who has pissed me off, then tell millions of people I wanted to do him.

Hopefully i'll get a few weeks off work at worst.

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Make it your manager and you could get to feel good about it as well!
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Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
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Make it your manager and you could get to feel good about it as well!</strong><hr></blockquote>

For 5 weeks off and a two week fine i'd be laughing all the way....
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Originally posted by Nate:
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For 5 weeks off and a two week fine i'd be laughing all the way....</strong><hr></blockquote>

You needed at work then?
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