Roulette Draft - R1: Green Smiley vs EAP/Himannv

Who will win this match

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Indnyc

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Team Green Smiley Vs. Team EAP/Himannv

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Tactics Green Smiley

Formation - 4-3-2-1
Defensive Line - Normal

Attack
Two dynamic, tenacious yet skillful attacking midfielders (Nedved and Seedorf) behind prolific goalscorer Greaves. The front three will constantly probe opponent's defense, thus exploiting any defensive weakness on the other side. Off the ball, expect intense pressing to hinder opponent's playmaking from the back (especially Alonso), and regain ball possession as soon as possible

Midfield
Everything that you hope for from midfield, both offensively and defensively. Davids the "pitbull" (high-intensity play, ball-winner), Albertini the metronome (control tempo of the game, creativity and building attack from the back), and Beckham, his set-piece deliveries and crossing was gloriously consistent, and top off with amazing work rate

Defense
Two energetic and defensively-sound full backs (Bennarivo and Gerets), primarily keeping opponent's wingers in close tab, but also seeking to overlap at any given chances.
Complimentary pairing of centrebacks (Ferdinand and Godin), a blend of silk and steel. Ferdinand's primary task is to cut off supply from SBC, and Godin to stop opponent's striker from scoring
Pagliuca in between the posts, with amazing reflex and shot-stopping ability

Why I would win
  • Better back five
  • Better control of the game
  • Goals from set-pieces
Tactics EAP/Himannv

Formation: 4-2-3-1 built around the genius of Sir Bobby Charlton.

A smooth and well coordinated attach with Law-Charlton being a proven dynamic. Giggs and Jinky provide pace and trickery down the flanks.

Souness is a physical match for Davids and Alonso will control the pace with his intelligence and passing from the deep.

Charles-Vierchowod is a classic stopper/sweeper combo. They'll be adequate to handle the threat with shielding of Souness and Alonso ahead of them.

Janes was a halfback converted to fullback converted to Sweeper. He was master of reading plays and snuffing attacks. He was also quite adept at initiating plays and starting attacks from deep. He will squeeze in to provide defensive solidity when Zambrotta moves up or move up and start attacks himself depending on game.
 
Not sure if there is anyone from EAP's side who would/could limit influence of Albertini from dictating play from deep

I imagine it would be a challenge for EAP's fullbacks to contain the likes of Nedved and Seedorf, whom both are dynamic and can operate narrow or wide

Don't really rate Charles at CB. He had better career as a striker
 
Surprised at Seedorf's positioning — I'm sure you could've found a player better suited to that role and position.

Not the biggest fan of Charles as a CB (hypocrisy alert, I've used him there as well).

Can see Sir Bobby providing a MotM performance.
 
Albertini looks surplus to requirements here. Pull Seedorf back in and switch to a proper 4-man midfield. After all, you've got a pretty tasty and proven CM partnership in Davids and Seedorf, and two players absolutely suited to wide midfield roles - seems like a no-brainer having a proper midfield unit there. Plus the weakest part of EAP/Himmanv's team is at full-back (relatively speaking of course) so they get better targeted with Nedved/Becks tearing it up down the flanks.
 
Gio said:
Albertini looks surplus to requirements here. Pull Seedorf back in and switch to a proper 4-man midfield. After all, you've got a pretty tasty and proven CM partnership in Davids and Seedorf, and two players absolutely suited to wide midfield roles - seems like a no-brainer having a proper midfield unit there. Plus the weakest part of EAP/Himmanv's team is at full-back (relatively speaking of course) so they get better targeted with Nedved/Becks tearing it up down the flanks.
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That was my original plan, but not sure how people would rate Davids-Seedorf as CM pair in 4-4-2
 
Physiocrat said:
:( That would have been a really solid, hardworking 442 but with real quality
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Could be, but despite Seedorf-Davids' ability, I imagine they would still need to work extra hard in 2-man midfield, especially against EAP's 2 holding midfielders and SBC upfront

I think Albertini would liberate Davids (and Beckham) to venture forward more, while not getting caught out in case of counter-attack, plus he adds elegance and game control from deep, which I feel important to have

I also Seedorf is fine in AM role. He has the quality to play literally anywhere in midfield and excel
 
green_smiley said:
Could be, but despite Seedorf-Davids' ability, I imagine they would still need to work extra hard in 2-man midfield, especially against EAP's 2 holding midfielders and SBC upfront

I think Albertini would liberate Davids (and Beckham) to venture forward more, while not getting caught out in case of counter-attack, plus he adds elegance and game control from deep, which I feel important to have

I also Seedorf is fine in AM role. He has the quality to play literally anywhere in midfield and excel
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TBF I think I would have dropped Seedorf for Villa and had Albertini and Davids at CM
 
@green_smiley good luck mate!

Indnyc said:

[USER=57041]@Edgar Allan Pillow @Himannv good luck. Please let us know who will be posting in the thread. The AM has only 3 posts allowed.[/USER]
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I won't be posting much and I don't have much time for research so I'll play the AM role here.

For what it's worth, John Charles was always in my plans and I picked him in a no mate round. John Charles is considered by many to have been one of the greatest all-round footballer ever to come from Britain. He wasn't just comfortable playing either centre-half or centre-forward; he was world class in both positions. Both Denis Law and Tom Finney rated John Charles as the best centre-back in Europe. There is a belief that if he did not pick up that fateful injury in the 1958 WC that Wales might have beaten Brazil as he might have man marked Pele out of the game.

Sir Bobby Robson described him as "incomparable" and classed him among the all-time footballing greats such as Pelé, Diego Maradona, and George Best. He also notes that Charles is the only footballing great to be world class in two very different positions.

Here's a nice video of him that also has some video snippets of him at CB taking the ball out of defense.

 
dont see an issue with Davids Seedorf combo in a 442, specially with Becks and Nedved on the wings. Would be a lovely team and you would most likely get my vote, this way i probably wont vote for anyone.
 
I think Seedorf is absolutely fine there. Doesn‘t need to drift to the right like AMs in other Christmas Tree formations because Beckham works the outside channel anyway. Also Gerets provides the overlap if needed.

2 men midfield with Davids and Seedorf against Charlton, Souness and Xabi? Sounds like a big mismatch
 
Himannv said:
@green_smiley good luck mate!



I won't be posting much and I don't have much time for research so I'll play the AM role here.

For what it's worth, John Charles was always in my plans and I picked him in a no mate round. John Charles is considered by many to have been one of the greatest all-round footballer ever to come from Britain. He wasn't just comfortable playing either centre-half or centre-forward; he was world class in both positions. Both Denis Law and Tom Finney rated John Charles as the best centre-back in Europe. There is a belief that if he did not pick up that fateful injury in the 1958 WC that Wales might have beaten Brazil as he might have man marked Pele out of the game.

Sir Bobby Robson described him as "incomparable" and classed him among the all-time footballing greats such as Pelé, Diego Maradona, and George Best. He also notes that Charles is the only footballing great to be world class in two very different positions.

Here's a nice video of him that also has some video snippets of him at CB taking the ball out of defense.

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Charles was one of few players that could play in 2 different positions, no doubt about that. However, I think his performance as CB is tad over-rated. He was definitely more prolific as a striker. Usually, he played as CB only when there was no one better available in his team, or when defending against a lead (like what he did with Juventus)
 
Don Alfredo said:
I think Seedorf is absolutely fine there. Doesn‘t need to drift to the right like AMs in other Christmas Tree formations because Beckham works the outside channel anyway. Also Gerets provides the overlap if needed.

2 men midfield with Davids and Seedorf against Charlton, Souness and Xabi? Sounds like a big mismatch
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yeah i am not sure i understand the criticism of Albertini. 2 man midfield against Charlton and criticism would be that there is no dedicated DM
 
green_smiley said:
Charles was one of few players that could play in 2 different positions, no doubt about that. However, I think his performance as CB is tad over-rated. He was definitely more prolific as a striker. Usually, he played as CB only when there was no one better available in his team, or when defending against a lead (like what he did with Juventus)
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I understand it as him being exceedingly good at both and simply being too good a player to be restricted to a single role.
 
green_smiley said:
He really isn't that good :)
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Will agree to disagree there. I mean, he's certainly better than Rio Ferdinand in my view. He's quicker, better in the air, better with the ball at his feet, and paired with another fast CB: Vierchowod. Even Jimmy Greaves, your striker in this game, seems to rate him highly.

We all know what normally happens when any former footballer, once-famous manager or similar faded glory is asked the burning question: who was your greatest player of all time? The form is that you scratch your head to make it look as if you’re thinking, nod sagely and then say “Why, it was Georgie Best, of course”, before holding your hand out for the cheque and heading straight for a refreshing cappuccino – or for the nearest bar if you’re NOT Jimmy Greaves.

Ex-Tottenham, Chelsea and AC Milan striker Greaves though – who also starred for Barnet FC and West Ham once his top-level playing days were done – had no doubts about his choice. John Charles, he explained, was not only one but two great players. At centre-forward just as much as when he was deployed in a defensive role at centre-half, King John had no peers. During his spell in Serie A with Juve, an environment Greaves knows well from his brief stint with the Rossoneri of Milan, John would often start a game up front and then, having scored the goal to gain his team a precious lead, would be pulled back to centre-half to ensure that they didn’t lose it.
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Extract from https://roblufc.org/2013/11/19/leeds-legend-king-john-charles-is-jimmy-greaves-no-1-by-rob-atkinson/

Greaves will be up against a player he rates as the best ever and Vierchowod, while Rio vs. Law is a bigger mismatch in my view. Rio is a bit susceptible against quick clever players, and Law is certainly one of those. I like Rio and everything but he's had issues against far worse players than Law. Lest we forget:



Bobby Charlton in a free role (with the support of two holding midfielders behind him) is a class above anyone you have covering him in my view and I see him making a big difference in this matchup.
 
Himannv said:
Will agree to disagree there. I mean, he's certainly better than Rio Ferdinand in my view. He's quicker, better in the air, better with the ball at his feet, and paired with another fast CB: Vierchowod. Even Jimmy Greaves, your striker in this game, seems to rate him highly.



Extract from https://roblufc.org/2013/11/19/leeds-legend-king-john-charles-is-jimmy-greaves-no-1-by-rob-atkinson/

Greaves will be up against a player he rates as the best ever and Vierchowod, while Rio vs. Law is a bigger mismatch in my view. Rio is a bit susceptible against quick clever players, and Law is certainly one of those. I like Rio and everything but he's had issues against far worse players than Law. Lest we forget:



Bobby Charlton in a free role (with the support of two holding midfielders behind him) is a class above anyone you have covering him in my view and I see him making a big difference in this matchup.
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Let's put it this way, if you manage to progress, Charles will be one of the first to be replaced. You may disagree now, but I can guarantee you that :)

Rio is a world-class defender and one of the best in his generation, not sure why this is up for debate. He has faced many top forwards as good as Law, if not better, and often came up on top
 
Himannv said:
Will agree to disagree there. I mean, he's certainly better than Rio Ferdinand in my view. He's quicker, better in the air, better with the ball at his feet, and paired with another fast CB: Vierchowod. Even Jimmy Greaves, your striker in this game, seems to rate him highly.



Extract from https://roblufc.org/2013/11/19/leeds-legend-king-john-charles-is-jimmy-greaves-no-1-by-rob-atkinson/

Greaves will be up against a player he rates as the best ever and Vierchowod, while Rio vs. Law is a bigger mismatch in my view. Rio is a bit susceptible against quick clever players, and Law is certainly one of those. I like Rio and everything but he's had issues against far worse players than Law. Lest we forget:



Bobby Charlton in a free role (with the support of two holding midfielders behind him) is a class above anyone you have covering him in my view and I see him making a big difference in this matchup.
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That's simply not true. His Ballon D'or performances and performances for Juve were all based on him being a center forward. Of course he played as a Center back for Leeds but calling him better than Ferdinand is plain wrong.
 
its funny, you would think we as United fans(at least majority here) would overrate our own players but somehow we went other way:lol:
Obviously we do that to our rivals as well so the whole UK scene ends up pretty much fecked.
 
Indnyc said:
That's simply not true. His Ballon D'or performances and performances for Juve were all based on him being a center forward. Of course he played as a Center back for Leeds but calling him better than Ferdinand is plain wrong.
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When I did a research earlier, there were many reports of when Juve started him off as CF and when they got the lead, pulled him back as CB to protect their lead.
 
green_smiley said:
Not sure if there is anyone from EAP's side who would/could limit influence of Albertini from dictating play from deep

I imagine it would be a challenge for EAP's fullbacks to contain the likes of Nedved and Seedorf, whom both are dynamic and can operate narrow or wide

Don't really rate Charles at CB. He had better career as a striker
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Albertini? He'd have his hands full with Charlton. You need Davids pretty much as a DM (as against a CM in your picture) supporting Albertini, which kinda leaves Beckham hanging in there lopsided.

And Janes is a top class FB who was comfortable and has also played as a sweeper. He'd be perfect to tuck in or drift out when Nedved has the ball. As for Zambrotta, Seedorf is not the type of player who'll give him trouble. Seedorf is a MF who can drift wide, not a winger with pace/trickery who can trouble Zambrotta on regular basis.
 
There is no point in picking work horses like Davids and Seedorf if you dont trust them to take care of Charlton. And with Beckham abd Nedved, its just pointless picking Albertini to start.

Dont get me wrong, I think the current setup is quite functional as well but that 4-4-2 was one that would have won hearts and games.
 
And calling Charles better than Rio is as big a blunder as not going 4_4_2
 
idmanager said:
Dont get me wrong, I think the current setup is quite functional as well
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I'd say, he's ruined it with his tactics. If the wants Nedved and Seedorf 'to probe opposition defences' then they are tasked with operating high up which would take away a lot from their midfield contribution. There are a lot of overlaps the way he has lined up with players tending to occupy similar and not complimentary roles. The total will be lesser than sum of parts in this occasion.

Charlton will have a monster game. And Zambrotta/Giggs will be far more productive than my opposition wingers.

Greaves himself has said Charles is his pick for best CB and it works well. A good matchup imo and with Vierchowod also there, I see our team holding the fort while Charlton plays the wild card.
 
green_smiley said:
Rio is a world-class defender and one of the best in his generation, not sure why this is up for debate. He has faced many top forwards as good as Law, if not better, and often came up on top
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No doubt Rio was a cracking centre back but just curious on who these forwards are?
 
Joga Bonito said:
No doubt Rio was a cracking centre back but just curious on who these forwards are?
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Shearer, Henry, OG Ronaldo, Shevchenko just off the top of my head
He's faced off against most of the top 90s/00s forwards if I remember correct and that is a very strong era for forwards.
 
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