Ronaldo

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IF he comes to United this summer, I would expect Nike pay his transfer fee.

It's not unreasonable.
 
In that case, why would it be in their best interests that he move to United ? Why not just keep him at Inter and save the money. It's not like Nike nor the player are hurting for cash.
 
I´m going to floor the next guy that mentions Ronaldo and Nike in the same sentence.
 
Originally posted by Jens:

I´m going to floor the next guy that mentions Ronaldo and Nike in the same sentence.

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I know, it is getting out of hand but I still wouldn't mind having the world's best player in our team (maybe biased)!
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>In that case, why would it be in their best interests that he move to United ? Why not just keep him at Inter and save the money. It's not like Nike nor the player are hurting for cash.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The world's best team, with the world's best (cough, cough) player.

Purely for the marketing value.

I suspect Nike would have made Ronaldo a Brazilian citizen, had he not already been one. ;)
 
Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>I´m going to floor the next guy that mentions Ronaldo and Nike in the same sentence.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If Ronaldo moves to Manchester United, I wonder if Nike will have anything to do with it.
 
Originally posted by DanishDevil:
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Ronaldo... and... Nike! - C'mon give it your best shot ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

It looks like there's a line forming...
 
we can make $$ off Ronaldo.

build a rehab room just for Ronaldo.

sell tickets, charge people 5 bucks to see Ronaldo.

5 bucks more to see his knee cap (in the next room).

$$!

definitely gona be the most utilized room in Manchester.
 
Originally posted by PhillipVIII:
<strong>we can make $$ off Ronaldo.

build a rehab room just for Ronaldo.

sell tickets, charge people 5 bucks to see Ronaldo.

5 bucks more to see his knee cap (in the next room).

$$!

definitely gona be the most utilized room in Manchester.</strong><hr></blockquote>


has dan snyder bought utd? ;)
 
I would expect Nike pay his transfer fee.<hr></blockquote>

In that case, why didn't Umbro buy Owen or Shearer for us? What a load of crap :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by blythy:
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In that case, why didn't Umbro buy Owen or Shearer for us? What a load of crap :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

How would buying English players increase Umbro's profile abroad? Not taking anything away from Umbro, but they do not have nearly the amount of resources that Nike do.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
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In that case, why didn't Umbro buy Owen or Shearer for us? What a load of crap :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

ah... but Nike did tell Ronaldo to move to Inter! If he moves to United they'd make buckets loads thro' mrechandise in the far east.. this due to our and Ronaldo's popularity over there!!
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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ah... but Nike did tell Ronaldo to move to Inter! </strong><hr></blockquote>

And Inter then payed his buy out clause. He doesn't have such a thing at Inter, and they don't have to sell him. And if they don't want to sell him, they won't.

Geesh, we are not going to pay tens of millions for a striker whose fitness is still a major doubt. And don't give me that nonsence about Nike paying his fee, it doesn't happen in the real world.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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Geesh, we are not going to pay tens of millions for a striker whose fitness is still a major doubt. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I mean when would United ever spend millions on a striker with dodgy knees...

;) ;) ;)
 
Originally posted by -Rob-:
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Yeah, I mean when would United ever spend millions on a striker with dodgy knees...

;) ;) ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

A striker who had ONE injury and got over it and played a couple of months for PSV with no problems is one thing. A player who had two similar serious injuries over two years and had another aborted come back since then AND is now injured again and doubtful for the semi finals is quite another.

Insurance costs would be higher than the fee probably.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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And don't give me that nonsence about Nike paying his fee, it doesn't happen in the real world.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Real World? Don't be so naive...

You might be surprised what happens behind closed doors when it comes to big business.

After all, Nike is an American company...

;)
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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A striker who had ONE injury and got over it and played a couple of months for PSV with no problems is one thing. A player who had two similar serious injuries over two years and had another aborted come back since then AND is now injured again and doubtful for the semi finals is quite another.

Insurance costs would be higher than the fee probably.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I accept that Ronaldo's injury problems have been worse than Ruud's but Ronaldo is starting to look like he is back to his best. The fact that United have showed that they are willing to gamble on spending millions on a striker who has suffered from injuries in the past indicates that they may be willing to do it again.

Ruud played two months at PSV last year but didn't play that well. Yet United signed him on what they had seen of him BEFORE his injury. Ronaldo was some player two years ago and there is no reason why under the correct manager (Sir Alex) he can't get back to his best.
 
Originally posted by -Rob-:
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The fact that United have showed that they are willing to gamble on spending millions on a striker who has suffered from injuries...</strong><hr></blockquote>

INJURY, not injuries. Thats the main difference. Ronaldo hasn't had a clear three-month run in several years. Ruud had ONE injury and he has shown his fully fit physically before we signed even, even if he was lacking match fitness and sharpeness.

Ronaldo has not proven anything. I don't think he's really shown he is back to his best either. We'd be wiser looking for the new Ronaldo rather than the old one.

As for the 'Real world' and Nike, well, frankly, I don't see any sports company spending tens of millions to get a player from one team to another, unless we are talking about moving a player from a small club to a big one. People can day dream ofcource and well, they can enjoy.

I like to live in reality.
 
I don't personally see him coming to Old Trafford to play for us, Despite the reasoning that Nike would rake in loads - as its already been mentioned, Nike don't exactly need the money, they should stick to making merchandise and cool TV adverts, Not try and become a transfer system

Ronaldo isn't as good as what he used to be, players who start off well in they're careers at a young age arn't usally all that great by time they get on a bit - wouldn't be a wise buy in my opinion
 
Originally posted by yaps:
<strong>...Nike don't exactly need the money...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nike don't need to exploit labor laws in third world countries, either.
 
am jedi master only one who would be terribly sad if United do indeed sign the over-hyped Brazilian? yes, yes...he is good and all but nowhere near the phenomenon tag he seems to be associated with....and at the moment rvn and a whole lot of other strikers are on a higher playing plane altogother compared to ronaldo....ok, jedi master did knock rvn for his performance against Arsenal, but never doubt his passion for the club would jedi master, hmmmm....ronaldo on the hand seems to think the whole world revolves around him and never seems to play with the same passion for his club or country.....and so bloody what if the idiot would sell shirts by the bucket loads....give's a rat ass does not jedi master....want to see the players sweat blood for this club, not sell stupid shirts, eh....that's all, simple request, no....so please, jedi master say, no to ronaldo, please grand master, keep rvn at all costs and whatever you do, don't go near that bloody rivaldo, diving git!!!! jedi master thought ariel ortega & heskey were bad.....rivaldo takes the cake for the biggest fecking diving primma donna on earth!!!!.......
 
To be honest it would make more sense for Nike to buy some one like landon donavon (I'm not serious just commenting on this line of thought).

united already has a big following in far east but the biggest untapped market is the US. Donavan is big here (for a US palyer), high profile in soccer community, likely to be bigger based on their success. Nike is a US company. United touring here next summer...it fits better than Ronaldo...in the speculation theory that is.
 
They aren't using Ronaldo for Brazil sales only, he is their worldwide icon, the way Beckham, Zidane are for Addidas, even more so.

Nike take things to extremes with Ronaldo for some reason, they told Ronaldo to leave to Inter, who then became sponsored by Nike also. They made the guy dangle his boots around his neck, (one boot cradling each cheek) after a game (World cup final I think) so that they'd be shown all over TV right next to his toothy grin. Shows how much planning etc goes into this whole thing. They made him play so that their products would be shown in the Final where millions of people would see the shoes.

Now Man Utd is Nike's biggest deal right now, it eclipses their previous deal (Brazil - biggest deal in football) many times over.

So Man Utd and Ronaldo are MAJOR MAJOR parts of this corporations strategy, they didnt have to fork out £300+ million to sponsor us. They would probably want to combine the two properties into one huge one. It would be the biggest football icon (in terms of sponsorship) combined with the biggest football sponsorship deal, effectively making a very glamourous product indeed. Only good for Man Utd PLC and Nike. It would also make Man Utd FC much more glamourous as well as bringing in a big star.

Cantona says France team is influenced by Addidas, this is why he was not selected and why Anelka was left out this year. So perhaps sponsors have more power than we know.

Inter may not have as much say over him leaving as they'd like. Perhaps they want to offload him before his contract runs out or he gets injured again? Maybe they are fed up with paying for an injured player?

I'm not saying its gonna happen, just pointing out the logic behind it all - and these rumours came from somewhere. I dont think even the most twisted journo/fan would somehow think Nike sponsorship deal equals Ronaldo transfer.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
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Inter may not have as much say over him leaving as they'd like. Perhaps they want to offload him before his contract runs out or he gets injured again? Maybe they are fed up with paying for an injured player?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Inter have all the say as it's up to them. Yes, they could well sell him before his contract runs out, but if they decide to keep him at all costs - they will.
 
Originally posted by Red Sun:
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Nike don't need to exploit labor laws in third world countries, either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> innit.
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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That's not a full sentence though

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:D Yep, I'm too afraid to be floored... ;) (but I almost did make a sentence though) <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
I don't care what others think, Ronaldo is a f_cking awesome striker, one of the best if not the best. You can ask all the England defenders and they will tell you the same, and this is a fact. The only issue is his injuries, but he did seem to have improved by a bit since a few months ago. So if there is any chances he become a United player, I hope they come true.
 
Ronaldo is a great player. He would be a great buy and we would be stupid to refuse him out of hand.

However, I don't agree that Nike will pay loads of money to transfer him from Inter to United. The fee is likely to be 30-40 million.

I am also concerned about Nike selecting the team. I do not like the idea of a half fit Ronaldo playing in place of a fully fit Ole. Last year Fergie found it difficult to drop Seb when he was struggling, possibly because he was a big name, big price star. It will be much harder to drop Ronny if Nike are applying pressure.

It might sell shirts and increase profit but at what cost? We need the best players for each game. Too many rumours of Nike interfering for my liking.
 
do you people really think grand master ferguson will let his decisions, especially team selection, be influenced by idiots in suits, especially from Nike......come on, grow up will you people....the man takes crap from absolutely no one......and as jedi master has pointed out before, there are a whole lot better strikers at the moment than ronaldo for the kind of money we'll probably have to fork out for the perenially injured brazilian....i'd say if fergie is really intent on a high-priced(!) striker, he should go for Shevchenko, or as much as I hate to say this, Owen....even Recoba would be a better prospect.....the prospect of rvn and owen playing together upfront for United is simply spell-binding.....ahhh well, here's to wishing for the near impossible......
 
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
<strong>do you people really think grand master ferguson will let his decisions, especially team selection, be influenced by idiots in suits, especially from Nike</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes I do. I am not convinced that Ronaldo played in the 1998 World Cup final because of purely football reasons. If Nike have that influence over Brazil for a world cup final how much influence on United for a game against a low ranking premiership side?

Obviously Fergie will resist pressure from Nike but his decisions are influenced by many factors. Sure he has the final say but he allows input from others. Before deciding if a player is fit he consults with various medical staff and the player, possibly others (his assistant for example). Same before deciding who to rest. Can we be sure none of these will be 'got at'?

Also why was Seb continually picked when he was clearly out of form? Perhaps it is easier to play a big name, expensive foreign star than to drop him and cop the flak. What would our investment be worth if other clubs knew that our expensive signing did not fit in? The press had a field day about Seb being a waste of money. Imagine if he had been in the reserves for half the season. Clearly there are issues off the field to be considered.

Players like Veron and Ronaldo are great if they fit in. When they don't they can cause major problems for the manager. Add in the history of injuries and the likely price and I would be very cautious about signing Ronaldo. Having said that - I will support Fergie's judgement. I hope he remembers we need a lot of money to fix the defence!
 
Hey! I just heard a rumour that Nike was going to buy Tiger Woods for UTD.....Apparently he is going to replace Barthez in goals ....Tiger never misses the ball.
:)
 
Originally posted by Due South:
<strong>Hey! I just heard a rumour that Nike was going to buy Tiger Woods for UTD.....Apparently he is going to replace Barthez in goals ....Tiger never misses the ball.
:) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Top idea. He also plays with a much smaller, harder ball than the FIFA standard so should be unbelievable when he uses a regulation football ;)

While we're at it I'd get them to sign Eric Bristow for us, the consistency with which he hits such a small target should make the striker's role a doddle.