Ronaldo and Quaresma...

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are playing right now in the Portugal U21 v England U21 game on Sky Sports 1 at the moment. Quaresma is on the left wing, and Ronaldo on the right, and Quaresma certainly had awesome talent and ball skills, full of tricks and high in confidence. Ronaldo's looking good too, good crosser and they're certianly exploiting the wings against us. If we're able to get these cheap then they'd be bargains of the Cantona variety.

Viana's been playing too and well but he's just done his shoulder in again.
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>I thought Quaresma was a right winger?

whats he like in the pace and flair department?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought he was too, but he's not for his country at least. He has got stupid amounts of flair, very audacious, yet productive with it. Seems pretty pacy too and has a cracking shot. He's scored one goal in this game so far and had some shots blocked. Put it on you'll catch the second half, its HT 2-2 now.
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Bloody hell is this Quaresma good or what! He's got the kinda talent that Henry has but with more tricks. The sorta player you pay to watch, he's totally dominating this game. He takes intelligent free kicks and corners too, as well as producing the crosses. His last free kick, a surprise lay off to the side was absolutely belted in for an unstoppable goal. Ronaldo's not having as good a game, just showing glimpses of talent.
 
Ronaldo's just scored now on the break, down the left side, atrocious defending by us, but Ronaldo's had a better second half.

We've been strongly linked with these two of Sporting Lisbon, Quieroz's old club, though whether we have first choice or not I don't know. But the top clubs will all be after Quaresma, and Ronaldo too probably. I really hope we have got the inside track on them.
 
both have immense talent..

can recall MatLG..mentioning Quaresma 18odd months ago...must say, well spotted.

i hope we get them both.

btw-weastey reckoned Quaresma was average <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> ;)
 
Quaresma has been simply awesome.

On a different note, Ameobi looked very impressive until he was ridiculously sent off.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>both have immense talent..

can recall MatLG..mentioning Quaresma 18odd months...must say, well spotted.

i hope we get them both.

btw-weastey reckoned Quaresma was average <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
Average? One of the best performances I've seen in years, the commentators said he was the best performer on the pitch by an absolute country mile and they're certainly not wrong, just incredible display. I know that Portuguese players have bags of talent but struggle to fit into northern european systems, but as a direct replacement for Giggs I don't think that would be a problem. He's fecking miles better than Duff, more like a young Giggs though with far more tricks.
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nooooooooo..

not todays performance... he thought he was an average player..

apparently, Quaresma's the next Figo..i'd love us to buy him.

we've got links with SL...so there's every chance he may end up at OT..

as for Portugese players not doing well in N Europe.. I can't think of many that have played up here...Dani, was failure... and Viana hasn't played much.... so, who knows how Quaresma or Ronaldo will fit in?
 
I don't remember Figo having as much natural talent, more like Pele. You don't normally see Portuguese players play in N. Europe though for a good reason, the football is too system based whereas they're free to express themselves, but if there was any PL side they could play in, I would think it would be us. Two of them might be a bit much though, but with both of them comfortable on either wing perhaps we don't need both of them.
 
Ronaldo just turned 18, and Quaresma is 20 in September; worth bearing in mind when comparing them.

Well our partnership with Sporting must surely give us some advantage in signing their players, 10mil was the figure mentioned with Quaresma.
 
What about Carlos's other favourite Postiga?
He was playing as well wasn't he? How did he compare to Ronaldo?
 
Postiga's goal was a very good finish, but he didnt impress majorly.

Quaresma was a class apart. He must be a serious target.
 
ain't sure about this Ronaldo guy...i haven't seen him much or heard of much...but Quaresmo..should be a serious target for us....him and Kewell :D

and Giggzy out :(
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong> Two of them might be a bit much though, but with both of them comfortable on either wing perhaps we don't need both of them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't forget there's your man Mads Tim also. ;)
Ronaldo apparently can play any of the attacking positions in midfield and as a withdrawn forward.
I could see Quaresma coming this summer to push on Giggsy, but Ronaldo would probably do better where he is for now, if we can actually afford to leave him there with Real waiting in the wings.
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Did I call it or what! Quaresma is a great talent, no doubt. Cristiano Ronaldo will be great as well, he is just two years younger. As for Quaresma playing RW or LW. He is, from what I have seen, equally talented with both feet, and can therefore play on either wing. Great pace, great dribbling, good goal-scoring etc...

As I said about 2 years ago, buy Quaresma, let him develop for a year or two more in Portugal on loan (maybe only one season more) and then bring him over. As for Cristiano, if United buy him as well, they should let him stay in Portugal for another 3-4 years or so. That is the way to do it.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>nooooooooo..

not todays performance... he thought he was an average player..

apparently, Quaresma's the next Figo..i'd love us to buy him.

we've got links with SL...so there's every chance he may end up at OT..

as for Portugese players not doing well in N Europe.. I can't think of many that have played up here...Dani, was failure... and Viana hasn't played much.... so, who knows how Quaresma or Ronaldo will fit in?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Viana is a great buy for Newcastle. The kid is class, and just needs to be fully fit--for he has been injured for a lot of the season. However, he also should have stayed in Portugal for one more year.
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
<strong>Did I call it or what! Quaresma is a great talent, no doubt. .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Check you out...

If it hadn't been for me...you wouldn't have been biggin' yaself..can't believe I recalled you metioning him. ;)

...agreed about Viana and Ronny... Christiano, impressed me alot n'all. Its not fair to compare him to Quaresma...as he's 2 years younger.

As for Quaresma, he reminds me of George Best -two good feet, good pace, great skill and balance....and has a very similar frame.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Its not fair to compare him to Quaresma...as he's 2 years younger.

As for Quaresma, he reminds me of George Best -two good feet, good pace, great skill and balance....and has a very similar frame.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, Ronaldo needs another couple of years a quality development time with Sporting, and then he will be truly great. Portugal is going to have some brilliant wingers for many years to come, that is for sure. Hell, their midfield in about 4 years could be :Quaresma, Ronaldo, Viana, Ednilson and Tiago. Quality bunch that group.
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I love the way people talk up young players.

Who do they look awesome against? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Who do they look awesome against? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

You're such a cynic ;)
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Richardson is an example of this.

People talk him up, but when he's put into the mix of a decent match...........................
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Richardson is an example of this.

People talk him up, but when he's put into the mix of a decent match...........................</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you have to be selective when dishing out praise, but that doesn't mean you can't do it at all.
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
<strong>

I think you have to be selective when dishing out praise, but that doesn't mean you can't do it at all.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course, but taking him as an example, people praise him to the rafters when he plays in the youth and the reserves, yet when he actually comes across some reasonable opposition he just does not perform. Ryan Giggs at the same age was not like that. Either you have United class or you do not. And the argument that Beckham did not get his chance until much later in life is not a valid one, as there were better players in the team. In the case of Ryan Giggs, who to be honest is the most sensational left wing talent in the past 40 years, there was only Lee Sharpe, and Giggs was better.

I'm willing to give all of the youth we have at the moment time, but 95% of them will not make it as United players.
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And the same is true of 95% of youth payers around the world.
 
I do just not believe in signing young foreign players on professional contracts. For what?

Scholes is a Salford lad, and there many there just as good as he is. Scout!
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>I do just not believe in signing young foreign players on professional contracts. For what?

Scholes is a Salford lad, and there many there just as good as he is. Scout!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Excuse my boldness here <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
I don't think United are overlooking local talent in preference of foreign youngsters (if thats what you're saying?), why would they?
Very few academy players will make the level, because at United not only is it a squad of internationals, but they are some of the best payers in their positions anywhere- Keane, Beckham, Giggs, Veron, RVN, etc.
What are the chances of finding that kind of player as a youngster on your own doorstep, and then signing them before another big club?
And now the '90 minute drive rule' further restricts Uniteds' ability to catch the best young english talent, as McClair said a few days ago- they are forced to look abroad. I would think United would prefere to find their players as close to home as possible- but how realistic is that?
The idea in having the academy and scouting for young talents as far as I understand is to find the Beckhams, and Zidanes early; avoiding the outrageous 30 and 40mil transfers, and make those youngsters our own- with a bond to United. There are not many players of that quality out there, you have to be looking further than Manchester for them.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Richardson is an example of this.

People talk him up, but when he's put into the mix of a decent match...........................</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually SAF was one who identified Richardson. And the current consensus on him is that he is only lacking physically, but talent wise he could make it- he should be given a few years to develop. Its an interesting contrast to OShea because he's only been revealed in the first team- I only heard one or two hail him as a youngster and they were irish, yet he's thrived in the first team from the start.
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Queresima is a fantastic player but I think he is more a right winger than a left winger (and that doesnt make him the ideal Giggs successor) what do you think?

He is great though and would like him to come at OT. Great Queroz, had traced more talents him in a year than chief scout Martin Ferguson in a lifetime
 
Looking back on my views back then (sorry mods) Quaresma's had a pretty disappointing career, but that Ronaldo turned out alright. Glad to see Quaresma made it in the end to make a bit of history for himself. Wonder if things would have turned out differently for him had we signed him back then. You never can really know how a young player will turn out-a Ronaldo or a Quaresma.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Looking back on my views back then (sorry mods) Quaresma's had a pretty disappointing career, but that Ronaldo turned out alright. Glad to see Quaresma made it in the end to make a bit of history for himself. Wonder if things would have turned out differently for him had we signed him back then. You never can really know how a young player will turn out-a Ronaldo or a Quaresma.
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From of all of these, which one is you? :confused:
 
I'm happy for Quaresma really, he is long been in Ronaldo's shadow.

Today he is the toast of Portugal, The Gyspy King finally !

I remember when they was both young coming through Sporting's youth academy Quaresma was even more highly rated, evidence by Barcelona choosing to sign him instead of Ronaldo.

What separated them was attitude and work ethic. And plus Ronaldo was VERY lucky he had Fergie where as Quaresma had Rijkaard which didn't help the lad to be fair.. Who knows if the roles had been reversed how both would've turned out.. kinda like we talk about Gazza how he would've turned out with Fergie.
 
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