Response to 'Veron resurgence Editorial'

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In the editorial the writer refers to Veron's change in form as possibly coming due to the Derby defeat. Therefore giving the reaction Fergie had demanded from all his players. Having spoken to other fans they put forward another possible reason for the improved output of Veron.
Their theory is related to the absence of Roy Keane during the run of wins that we have had. Friends of mine who are regular OT stalwarts believe that Veron may well have had the license to impose himself without the presence of the dominating Keane. It is clear to everyone that when Keane plays he is 'THE DADDY' and everyone knows it. His absence due to injury may well have contributed to a raised confidence in not only Veron but other United players. The theory my friends have also relates to the turbulent times of Keane- the book, the World Cup, the public dressdown of his fellow team-mates. While to the average Red fan we all think Keano's great and his confrontation comes because he cares. As a result I do not think Keano has too many friends in the dressing room, nor do I think he cares to. He is more interested in the success of the team as a whole. But to some in the United dressing room he may well have become very unsettling to be around on and off the pitch. Especially to Veron, who I don't think will have met a more intense football character. So I put it to fellow Red's could the improvement in fortunes, for both individuals and the team, be down the absence of the whilrwind personality that is Keane?
 
He played in the last 2 games where Veron was superb. Beckham also.

I think those two are still finding their feet as a partnership, and given time will form a great partnership.

If you want to say our rise was down to Keane's absence, surely it's fair to say it could be down to Beckham's absence, or Rio's, or Butt's.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>If you want to say our rise was down to Keane's absence, surely it's fair to say it could be down to Beckham's absence, or Rio's, or Butt's.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think the point my friends were making is that Keane is the captain and the dominating personality on the field and in the dressing room. You can't say that Rio or Butt would have the same effect, as they are not authorative characters to the degree of Keane. For example you've never seen Rio/Butt grab a teamate (P Neville) in frustration, or sound off publicly about the performances of teamates. If you read correctly its not just about the absence of the player but the personality.
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Keane mentioned in his book that Veron was not to blamb for last season.

Keanes presence has nothing to do with Verons form.
 
I am sure I heard somewhere that Keane had been given a more defensive role, and the way he was talking on Sky before he came back suggested that he would just sit in front of the back four and protect it. Let Veron and co do their stuff and support and get into the game when required. That is why I think Keano and Seba have played much better, at Lazio Seba had Simeone doing the same role.
In Keano's first full game back he tried to dominate it and Seba disappeared since then they seem to have shared the responsability much more.

The resurgence was also down to a more hungry team, after City we looked as though we had to win every game to have a chance of the title, and that is when we play at our best, with that kind of passion. Now we just need to keep it up. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
After reading the Veron editorial i found myself agreeing with most of it, although there was probably a bit to much 'back slapping' in it for my tastes.
The editorial ended up with statements like 'things look good for a bright 2003' and 'A togetherness the successful sides of the past could boast has set in'...

unfortunately I'm not completely convinced yet of either United revival or Verons consistency. Defeats at Blackburn and Middlesbrough show how we are still able to 'self distruct'. I dont know why, but as a team, united still have a problem picking themselves up against the lower teams, why does roy keane and ferguson have to keep on the teams back all the time about this? its a problem that could be our undoing and is really the only thing keeping Arsenal ahead of us.

As for Veron, he does deserve credit for his performances lately, but lets face it, its not before time, i really think we should wait until the end of the season before hailing him as a success. Yes, he has played well lately but overall there have still been far to many indifferent performances and he has still yet to prove he can play along side roy keane and dave backham.

The editorial was putting things in a positive light, after all, there has been plenty of moaning and groaning going on, i dont mean to be a moaner in my opinion of the editorial but i do think we should stay grounded and 'real' in our outlook, come the end of the season hopefully we will all be happy.
 
I believe that Veron, the Nevilles and Diego deserve quite a lot of back slapping, especially for their performances in recent matches. It was unfortunate that we lost to Blackburn and Boro, though I think that is due to the fact that our finishing is nowhere near where it should be.

The plaudits handed out to Veron were fair, and I hope someone writes a similar piece about Diego.
 
Zippy, I meant the article to be an assessment of how well the team and Veron especially has been performing recently, and as a suggestion that United have a bright future ahead.
 
I dont think its healthy on the part of all fans to think Veron is a flop cos he dosen't score goals.His job (or Keano) is not for scoring goals.
Veron when he played for Lazio was considered to be the best midfielder in Italy on par with Zidane.Every player when they immigrate from one league to other will face problems.Veron too is not an Exception.Even Zidane struggled with Real for some time.So it is not clever on our part to discuss about Veron's performance last season..
I honestly fell Seba will get well along with Keano. We cant expect a imposing and inspiring
character like Keano to do a Phil Neville or Nicky
Butt in supporting Veron.
But Keano in his interview after the Arsenal match
had said that he would be sensible about the way
he plays.Right now its quiet confusing..But one thing is sure.Our sucess depends upon how well Keano and Seba support each other.
 
Originally posted by sebaveron:
<strong>well at the moment keane & seba won't be able to familiarise their partnership due to keane's injury :o </strong><hr></blockquote>

in the following weeks, we would see philip+seba or seba+butt
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I am of an opinion that Keane's and Beck's absence has helped Veron develop as a playmaker for the team.

Bex and Keane were almost always taking the ball up and i never thought Veron had enough room - even Giggs was charging inside.

Their absences has given Veron more room to play football while Phil/Fortune and Ole stuck to their positions on the field.

Keane and Bex have returned and it's clear for everyone to see that they now stick to their positions much more and so still leaving room for Veron to play.

Obviously the derby loss helped everyone get back on their feet, but i wouldn't say it was the only reason why we're seeing the best of Veron.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Zippy, I meant the article to be an assessment of how well the team and Veron especially has been performing recently, and as a suggestion that United have a bright future ahead.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It was a good article, maybe I'm just nit-picking.

Its just that i feel there is still a lot of work to be done with this team and I'm afraid that everyone is going to get a bit complacent and think that everythings good now. That attitude can trickle down from the fans and media to the team, i dont want that to happen...

Were almost there but not quite, and you are right, there are definitely some good signs for the future, but i dont want to let them off the hook yet; we have still been losing some games we should have won, so lets keep the pressure on for now...
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Fair comments, you may have a point.

Our work is nowhere near done if we want to make amends for last season, but it's nice to prove we're not yet letting the title go.
 
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