Reserves: Manchester United vs Oldham (MSC)

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A surprisingly strong United side beat Oldham Athletic at Carrington today in the Manchester Senior Cup. Pereira scored, Januzaj got two and Poole got his first goal at the club.

Apparently both Pereira and one of Januzaj's goals were from distance, Andreas' goal in particular sounds interesting from United's description.

The attacking midfield three of Mitchell, Rothwell and Pereira is something I'm dying to eventually see at first team level so I'm disappointed that we weren't able to get live coverage of the match but United's twitter account say highlights will be on MUTV at 20:30.

United now have Bury in the semis. Here's the full match report: http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-An...er-united-v-oldham-manchester-senior-cup.aspx
 
Unsurprising that both Andreas and Januzaj continue to dominate at this level. Looking forward to neither making the bench for the FA cup tie.
 
Looks like RoShaun will be involved on Thursday with big Tim not registered in the Europa squad list.
 
Januzaj playing in front of no one. Remember when he was going to play for england and win us the world cup?
 
nokillingmoths said:
Made the back pages of the national papers. Could have played for england. Think he would have needed to be a uk citizen and play for no other nation. It was genuinely talked about when he had those three good games.

Edit: 2 second hoogle search. Plenty of results from well, everywhere.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=j...id-hms-tef-gb&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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It was also talked about for players like Almunia, Rangel Angel, and Arteta despite them never being eligible, just like Adnan. Journalists not being able to understand basic rules doesn't change the facts. Home nations agreement states that a person must have 5 years of education before the age of 18 within the relevant nation to be eligible to represent a home nation. Adnan didn't do that so he was never and never would have been eligible to represent England.
 
Anyone got a link to the goals? Missed the highlights on MUTV. I saw Adnan's goal from distance. Good strike.
 
limerickcitykid said:
It was also talked about for players like Almunia, Rangel Angel, and Arteta despite them never being eligible, just like Adnan. Journalists not being able to understand basic rules doesn't change the facts. Home nations agreement states that a person must have 5 years of education before the age of 18 within the relevant nation to be eligible to represent a home nation. Adnan didn't do that so he was never and never would have been eligible to represent England.
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Spirited argument but here is a quote from the beeb.

The sport's governing body Fifa states a player is eligible if "he has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association".

So yes he could have played for england. I eally doubt every news outlet and fifa are wrong and you are right on this.
 
limerickcitykid said:
It was also talked about for players like Almunia, Rangel Angel, and Arteta despite them never being eligible, just like Adnan. Journalists not being able to understand basic rules doesn't change the facts. Home nations agreement states that a person must have 5 years of education before the age of 18 within the relevant nation to be eligible to represent a home nation. Adnan didn't do that so he was never and never would have been eligible to represent England.
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Pretty sure the home nation agreements is only designed to stop England nicking players from Scotland, Wales and Norn Iron as a lot of those players will inevitably qualify if they're scouted and signed by Premier League clubs at 17.
 
RoShaun Williams apparently had a tight hamstring, not rested for the first team game.
 
Pexbo said:
Pretty sure the home nation agreements is only designed to stop England nicking players from Scotland, Wales and Norn Iron as a lot of those players will inevitably qualify if they're scouted and signed by Premier League clubs at 17.
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That may be why it was setup but it also works against players from all nations playing for a home nation. Junior Hoillett is Canadian and wanted to play for England but didn't have the 5 years of education due to just loan in Germany when he was a teenager and thus wasn't eligible.

nokillingmoths said:
Spirited argument but here is a quote from the beeb.

The sport's governing body Fifa states a player is eligible if "he has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association".

So yes he could have played for england. I eally doubt every news outlet and fifa are wrong and you are right on this.
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Which pertains to other nations and doesn't take into account the home nations agreement. News outlets are wrong all the time just as they have been with other players that I previously mentioned. There are also some competent articles out there that realize he was never elgiible Fifa never directly said anything on Adnan being eligible.

Fifa also states to be eligible for the home nations you must fulfill at least one of:
  • a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
  • b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
  • c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
  • d) He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association.
Adnan doesn't meet any of that criteria, therefore he was never eligible. The home nations do not allow players to become eligible through residency. Adnan is the exact same situation as the likes of Almunia, Arteta, Rangel Angel, and Hoilett who have all been confirmed to not be eligible. Adnan isn't magically different.
 
Some nice goals there.

DWelbz19 said:
Unsurprising that both Andreas and Januzaj continue to dominate at this level. Looking forward to neither making the bench for the FA cup tie.
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Pretty much supports the opinions that van Gaal uses youngsters only when he needs them. Someone like Perreira who is probably brightest talent of them all hardly got any chance because we had different senior midfield players always fit, even though they were hardly impressive.
 
Amar__ said:
Pretty much supports the opinions that van Gaal uses youngsters only when he needs them. Someone like Perreira who is probably brightest talent of them all hardly got any chance because we had different senior midfield players always fit, even though they were hardly impressive.
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Actually Pereira is the one youngster whose lack of chances makes a sort of sense to me. As absurdly gifted as he is, there's a lack of application about him which has been there since he was a precocious 15-year-old starting for the U18s. I've always thought he'd grow out of it eventually, but aside from the odd game or moment it's still there. He has the talent to exert himself on matches ten times as much as he actually does. Januzaj's rapid promotion into the first team was a result of the way he single-mindedly improved his contribution in every single game, at every level. One week he'd debut for the U21s and impress. Next week he'd score a brace. The week after he'd score again and be the best player on the pitch by some distance. The week after that he'd completely dominate the entire match from start to finish.

Pereira has the talent to do the same thing, but he doesn't, not regularly enough. You can argue that it's hard for him to be motivated when he's so far beyond the level he's playing at, but even in his handful of first-team chances only one performance looked like he was really applying himself 100%.

To be clear, I still expect him to make it, but it won't happen until he starts to show more ambition, and so far I can't blame Van Gaal for not playing him more.
 
Amar__ said:
Some nice goals there.



Pretty much supports the opinions that van Gaal uses youngsters only when he needs them. Someone like Perreira who is probably brightest talent of them all hardly got any chance because we had different senior midfield players always fit, even though they were hardly impressive.
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Don't agree with this. LvG could have signed 3-4 players in january - probably not the ones he considered first choice, but there were probably quite decent players available. He opted to stick with what he had - and he deserves credit for that.
 
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