Redcafe ODI Cricket Draft- MightBeRight vs KM

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics and balance?

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KM

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Please vote on basis of performances post 1990 only
Team Mightberight
Marcus Trescothick
Gautam Gambhir
Jacques Kallis
Virat Kohli
AB De Villiers
Ajay Jadeja
Andrew Flintoff
Shakib Al-Hasan
Mitchell Johnson
Stuart Broad
Andre Nel

12th man: Shaun Tait

Explanations
mightberight said:
Marcus Trescothick
Gautam Gambhir
Jacques Kallis
Virat Kohli
AB De Villiers
Ajay Jadeja
Andrew Flintoff
Shakib Al-Hasan
Mitchell Johnson
Stuart Broad
Andre Nel

In my opinion, I have one of the deepest batting line-ups in the draft. Trescothick and Gambhir both rattle along at an 85 S/R - with 23 centuries between them - but should they fail, I've got Kallis, AB De Villiers and Virat Kohli to step in. They have runs written all over them. The latter two will especially throw caution to the wind, knowing that Jadeja, the big-hitting Flintoff (an avg of 32 with 89/SR) and Al-Hasan will be in line to clear up the innings. Johnson (avg 17, S/R of 96 - the perfect tailender) and Broad are no slouches with the bat either, should a bowling attack be in for some luck.

Due to my batting depth, I've picked 6 bowlers - but I don't think I've shirked on quality. This is an ODI draft and if we're basing it on that format, Flintoff and Johnson are quite simply two of the most effective ODI bowlers of the 2000s. Flintoff has an average of 24 and a quite ridiculous Econ of 4.38 - he has to be talked about in the premier tier of ODI bowlers. Mitchell Johnson is a small step behind with an average of 25.5 and an Econ of 4.85. They are supplemented by Jacques Kallis, who needs no introductions, Stuart Broad who clocks an average of 27.5, and Saffers hitman Andre Nel who also has similar stats. Al-Hasan offers a change of pace with his tricky spin and, without the weight of Bangladesh on his shoulders but with proper pace bowlers to soften batsmen up, you can only expect his bowling to be even more effective. The man has an average of 28.8 and an Econ rate of 4.3, and the stats will only get better.

Desert Eagle has some very good players, but I don't think he's quite matched the balance that I have. The batting lacks a punch and Sehwag, while venomous, fails to have superstar consistency in ODI formats. Warne is of course a premier spinner, but he doesn't have a lot of supplement; don't be fooled by Steyn, he is a better test player than he is ODI - his stats hugely pale in comparison to Johnson and Flintoff. Gillespie is no better than my top bowling options and Duminy, Collingwood, Ganguly and Astle will get tonked all over the place by my batsmen.
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Team KM
David Boon
Neil Johnson
Younis Khan
Aravinda D Silva
Grant Flower
Hussey(Flower and Hussey interchangeable)
Haddin
Afridi
Srinath
Ambrose
Morkel

12th man: Imran Khan

KM said:
David Boon
Neil Johnson
Younis Khan
Da Silva
Grant Flower
Hussey(Flower and Hussey interchangeable)
Haddin
Afridi
Srinath
Ambrose
Morkel

10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan, Afridi, Micheal Hussey, Aravinda, Srinath, Haddin, Morne Morkel, Boon, Younis Khan, Grant Flower

David Boon- Class Australian batsmen, big moustache and very solid player. He’ll lead my team with opening.

Neil Johnson- Anyone who remembers WC 1999, must remember this guy. All rounder and a class batsman, he got three man of the matches. His career was cut short by the arguments with the Zimbabwe team management. He played 4 matches against Australia(in 1999), scored two centuries and had an average of 83.22 against team. Was also a very good fast bowler.

Younis Khan- A Part of that classic Pakistani trio of middle order(Yousuf, Younis and Inzy). Played spin amazingly well and always kept on looking for ones and twos. Also a very good fielder.

Arvinda Da Silva- No words needed here, just a class act with the bat. Has more than 9000 runs in ODI Cricket, a perfect no.4 batsmen. Has the ability to clear the boundary

Grant Flower- He and Hussey will interchange positions according to the match situation. Great batsman, good bowler and outstanding fielder.

Micheal Hussey- The best finisher in the game right now and one of the best finishers in the history. Remarkably good batsmen who’s a terrific fielder.

Brad Haddin- Wicketkeeper and an excellent batsman. Will provide the big hitting and has a very decent average of 31.

Shahid Afridi- Has more than 350 wickets in ODI and anybody who watches cricket regularly will know that he’s an excellent bowler. Fields well and could provide with some big hitting later down(It’s not T20, it’s ODI). Will be my captain.

Srinath- Literally carried the Indian Attack in the 90’s. Played on flat tracks and still had a decent average of 28. Amazingly under-rated(according to Imran Khan, the most underrated bowler in the world). Capable of bowling in 140’s and has more than 300 wickets. Class act all around, could also provide with some occasional big hitting.

Morne Morkel- The Gentle Giant of the world cricket. Had an amazing average of 23 and eco of less than 5 in ODI’s. Deadly on any pitch.

Ambrose- No words needed, really. Average of 23 and eco rate of 3.50 in ODI’S!

12th Man- Imran Khan, messed up really picking him up. Not going to include him in the team to gain some cheap votes. He had an average record after the 90’s. Blah. Off-field captain.

Team Strategy- Batting really needs no words. However my two opening bowlers will be Morkel and Ambrose whose eco rates are less than 5 and 4 respectively. They’ll make sure that batting is slowed down. Both of them are genuine wicket takers and will provide me with breakthroughs. It’s also worth pointing out that all of my five bowlers have an economy rate of less than 5. My third and fourth choice bowlers have more than 650 wickets in themselves. Neil Johnson is a diamond and will come as the fifth choice, in the unlikely event if he’s trashed. Then we’ve got the likes of Arvinda Da Silva and Grant Flower(whose economy rates are again less than 5).
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I honestly don't rate MBR's bowling. Yes he's got loads of options. But he's got no one of the class of Ambrose or Srinath.
 
Hard to look past his batting, though. It's bloody strong.
 
Jadeja was a flat pitch bully. No arguments about AB ,Kallis and Kohli, they're brilliant. Gambhir regularly has problems with fast bowlers. Flintoff and Shakib weren't that great batsman.

My middle order of Younis, Arvinda and Hussey doesn't lag too far behind if we're being honest.
 
I look at MBR's team and think it should win, but for some reason I'm drawn towards voting for KM. Will vote in a minute.
 
KM said:
Jadeja was a flat pitch bully. No arguments about AB ,Kallis and Kohli, they're brilliant. Gambhir regularly has problems with fast bowlers. Flintoff and Shakib weren't that great batsman.

My middle order of Younis, Arvinda and Hussey doesn't lag too far behind if we're being honest.
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Yea.

The other side of the coin is that I can see quite a few of your batsmen milking his bowlers.

Johnson might have a good average, but he's Johnson...

Broad, Nel.. not really very inspiring. Don't rate Shakib at all. Especially as a main spinner.

Flintoff is fantastic, but he needs to be backed up.
 
My wild card is Ambrose. His Economy rate in the ODI's was 3.5. Unreal.
 
Went KM in the end. MBR has no bite at all while bowling.
 
Jadeja and Johnson stick out like sore thumbs for me. Broad too, to be honest.

Jadeja was the most unreliable player to ever play consistently for India. Infuriatingly bad most times, occasionally came good.

Will really have to think on this one...mbr's batting looks good enough to win this outright, but Morkel, Curtly and Srinath aren't mugs, even if they are slightly one dimensional. Johnson was pretty handy too, I liked him. Seemed like a naturally gifted player.
 
Really don't like the way Johnson gets so much heat. His average is 25.5 and that's not being a flat track bully - at 25 vs England, 24 against India including an incredible 22.6 in India, 28 vs South Africa and Pakistan, 25 v SRI ... he's an incredibly consistent wicket taker in an ODI format. And this is the thing, I knew picking Johnson would get me shit because he's known as a "failed" test bowler after the old guard retired, but he's always been a class act in ODIs. His economy is also 4.85 - better than many 'top' bowlers (eg. Steyn) too.

A lot of the above applies to Flintoff also - at 24 with a 4.3 econ.

Flintoff and Johnson are a great combo and I don't see too many pairs better. Adding the options of Kallis, Broad, Nel, my quicks can ram the ball down full-pelt as I have so many options.
 
KM said:
Jadeja was a flat pitch bully. No arguments about AB ,Kallis and Kohli, they're brilliant. Gambhir regularly has problems with fast bowlers. Flintoff and Shakib weren't that great batsman.

My middle order of Younis, Arvinda and Hussey doesn't lag too far behind if we're being honest.
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You know Khan was a poor ODI batsman compared to his test batting. Jadeja a flat-track bully? Is that why he averaged at pretty much 50 against Australia and England? Inconsistent sure, but far better in ODIs than the likes of Khan. He's also a brilliant fielder, one of the very best.

Not sure why you're bringing up Flintoff and Shakib's batting, either - they're batting at 7 and 8 and Flintoff especially has a ridiculous strike rate, while your 7 and 8s are Haddin and Afridi. No comparison really.
 
Don't you think you're a bit light on the spinner front with Shakib, mbr?

KM has Younis and Aravinda in there who are both excellent players of spin.. Shakib's not going to be troubling them
 
mightberight said:
I believe I do - some call him Freddy.
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I'm sorry MBR. Whiever way you cut it, your bowling is inferior to his

Ambrose>Flintoff
Johnson=Morkel (I rate Johnson slightly higher, but its marginal)
Srinath>Nel, Broad
Afridi>Shakib
Kallis>Grant Flower/ Aravinda/ Johnson

Though, you do have much greater numbers.
 
Jadeja was a flat track bully, England had a pretty crap team in the 90's.

Oh and the idea that Jadeja was a better batsmen then Younis Khan is ludicrous.
 
KM said:
Not better than Ambrose.
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Yes but you mention Srinath who is hardly in Ambrose's class either. Ambrose is the standout, I'm arguing that my bowlers can more than compete against any of your others - especially as, in my opinion, my batting is superior.

You've got slightly better bowling, and I have considerably better batting.
 
KM said:
Jadeja was a flat track bully, England had a pretty crap team in the 90's.

Oh and the idea that Jadeja was a better batsmen then Younis Khan is ludicrous.
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Twisting my words mate - I said he is a better ODI batsman than Khan. This is, after all, an ODI draft.
 
zing said:
Don't you think you're a bit light on the spinner front with Shakib, mbr?

KM has Younis and Aravinda in there who are both excellent players of spin.. Shakib's not going to be troubling them
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Shakib offers a change of pace. I've got 5 quicks who should rain a decent amount of hellfire, so I don't think two spinning options are necessary - useful, but not necessary.
 
mightberight said:
Twisting my words mate - I said he is a better ODI batsman than Khan. This is, after all, an ODI draft.
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Yeah he's not even a better ODI batsman than Khan. Anyone who was watched India regularly will say that.
 
Interval Level said:
I'm sorry MBR. Whiever way you cut it, your bowling is inferior to his

Ambrose>Flintoff
Johnson=Morkel (I rate Johnson slightly higher, but its marginal)
Srinath>Nel, Broad
Afridi>Shakib
Kallis>Grant Flower/ Aravinda/ Johnson

Though, you do have much greater numbers.
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I've never argued that my bowling is better - just that people are raising my bowling as an issue, when I believe it's getting more of a bashing than it should - it's a very good unit. I don't think Afridi's better than Al-Hasan either, but that's by the by. I also think having 6 full-time bowling options is a huge boost over 5th bowlers who are just part-time.
 
Neil Johnson was hardly a part time bowlers. Opened the bowling for Zimbabwe, how the hell that's part time?
 
KM said:
Yeah he's not even a better ODI batsman than Khan. Anyone who was watched India regularly will say that.
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That's your opinion. I'm not saying he's some wonder with the ODI bat, but I don't think Khan has had many great innings in a long ODI career. You picked him fairly late most likely for the same reason, and his test reputation alone makes him look far better.
 
mightberight said:
That's your opinion. I'm not saying he's some wonder with the ODI bat, but I don't think Khan has had many great innings in a long ODI career. You picked him fairly late most likely for the same reason, and his test reputation alone makes him look far better.
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Ask any Indian about him and Khan, I'd be astounded if they said anything different.
 
KM said:
Neil Johnson was hardly a part time bowlers. Opened the bowling for Zimbabwe, how the hell that's part time?
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My mistake, I didn't see him play much. But that's because he only mustered 48 ODIs and is about as troubling to good teams as a part-bowler could expect to be.
 
mightberight said:
My mistake, I didn't see him play much. But that's because he only mustered 48 ODIs and is about as troubling to good teams as a part-bowler could expect to be.
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Not the greatest of bowlers, but more than handy as a fifth bowler and certainly more than a part time bowler.

Btw Shakib a better spinner than Afridi?
 
Yeah well it was a twenty four hour poll, mate. Just the usual.
 
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