Redcafe ODI Cricket Draft- Donadol vs Omar

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics and balance?

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Here we go
 
Please vote on basis of performances post 1990
Omar's 11
Matthew Hayden
Boeta Dippenaar
Michael Clarke
Damien Martyn
Scott Styris
Suresh Raina
Brendan Taylor
Daniel Vettori
Kyle Mills
Makhaya Ntini
Allan Donald

12th man: Md Hafeez
Explanation
The Westsiders

Matthew Hayden
Boeta Dippenaar
Michael Clarke
Damien Martyn
Scott Styris
Suresh Raina
Brendan Taylor
Daniel Vettori
Kyle Mills
Makhaya Ntini
Allan Donald

Sub - Mohammad Hafeez

So my openers are a brilliant combo. One is the aggressor, while the other is a more careful batsman, building his innings(though it doesn't mean Hayden doesn't do that). Hayden will go after the bowling, and Boeta will be slow and stick around, and later accelerate. Then comes Clarke and Martyn. Brilliant to have in middle order. Great techniques, and will build the innings.
Then Styris and Raina and Taylor, again, they can surely bat with average's around 31-35. Raina will be the finisher, with a strike rate of 93. Then Vettori and Mills, who will stick aruond for others to make runs, or else do that themselves. Long tail indeed. Then Ntini can hit a shot before getting out. Donald will not be around for long agreed.

Now bowling. Class new ball bowlers in Donald and Ntini. Just brilliant. Then Kyle mills who's very good himself. Then the medium pace of Styris, and spin of Vettori, who'll keep the run rate in check. If needed, Clarke can chip in with a over here and there, and so can Raina.
So my bowling will ensure the run rate is low, and take wickets too, and the score would not be a high one to chase.
Then my deep batting ensures i will be able to chase a higher total, or make one myself.

Also my fielding will save 10-20 odd runs, with the likes of Raina, and Clarke.

On the whole, very balanced side, capable of defeating my opponent.

Player Profiles

Hayden - Cracking opener. An average of 44, 10 hundreds, 36 fiftys, and a strike rate of almost 80. Once he gets going, there's no stopping him. He's been a class batsman for Australia. Huge guy with great power, very good slip fielder.

Dippenaar - Another very fine opener. Average of 42, 4 hundreds, 26 fiftys. Strike rate on the lower side at 68. But his combination with Hayden is perfect. My opening is just more than good. They both are not going to get out early.

Clarke - Another class act. Average of over 45, 7 hundreds, 54 fifty's, strike rate of over 78. A very reliable batsman, and a brilliant fielder. And he can bowl as well. 56 wickets at an average of 37, and an economy of just 5, for a batsman of his sort is just very good. A very good batsman, who can bowl as well, when needed, and just brilliant in the field.

Martyn - Another very good batsman, with great technique. Average of 41, 5 hundreds, 37 fifty's, and a strike rate of 78. A very calm batsman, and he'll be the one who'll keep my middle order together.

Scott Styris - My all rounder, batting average of 32, strike rate of 79, 4 hundreds, and 28 fifty's. And a bowling average of 35, with an economy of 4.7 only, taking 137 wickets. He'll bat, he'll bowl, what more do you need. He's more than just a decent batsman, and a good bowler as well, for an all rounder.

Suresh Raina - Average of 36, Strike rate of 94, 3 hundreds, 24 fifty's. The future of Indian cricket. He can take it to the bowlers when needed, and can bat according to the situation. A very handy batsman, and he'll probably save 10 odd runs by his fielding. One of the better fielders around. Plus he can also chip in with a few overs with his off spin if needed.

Brendan Taylor - My keeper, from Zimbabwe. Average of 35, 72 strike rate, 6 hundreds, 26 fifty's. He can build his innings, and is a good keeper as well. He's shown his worth for Zimbabwe, scoring hundreds against South Africa, New Zealand, SriLanka, and Bangladesh. Out of the 3 games against Aussies, scored half centuries in two of them. Certainly he's played a little less against the better oppositions, but when he has done, he's done well. Also scored 70 and 80 against India out of the 4 games he played against them. So he surely is a very good batsman.

Daniel Vettori - World Class spinner. Average of 31, economy of just 4.1, which is very good. It's never easy hitting against him. Even if he's not taking wickets, he'll keep the score under check, and not give away runs. Can bat very well aswell, 4 half centuries, strike rate of 81, and average of 17. Handy with the bat, high score of 81. And a class spinner.

Kyle Mills - Bowling average of just 26, economy of 4.7, taking 138 wickets. Batting average of 15, strike rate of 79, with 2 fiftys. So even he can chip in with the bat, and play big shots if needed. He would have done more, if not for his injuries. Great bowler, and can chip in with the bat as well.

Makhaya Ntini - 171 wickets, at an average of 24, with a evonomy rate of 4.5. Brilliant bowler indeed. Great pace, aggressive, just what you need as a fast bowler. His combo with Donald will be brilliant.

Allan Donald - 162 wicketts, bowling average of 21, economy of 4.1, JUST BRILLIANT. World class performer. Again, brilliant fast bowler, great pace and swing. Certainly a class bowler.

SUB

Hafeez - Batting average of 27, 4 hundred, 14 fiftys, strike rate 68. Bowling average of 33, economy of just 4, taking 68 wickets. One of the better all arounders around at present.

v/s

Donadol's 11
Sachin Tendulkar
Graeme Smith (C)
Kumar Sangakkara (wk)
Dean Jones
Ross Taylor
Craig Mcmillan
Dwayne Bravo
Harbhajan Singh
Paul Reiffel
Zaheer Khan
Lasith Malinga

Explanation
Donadol said:
Sachin Tendulkar
Graeme Smith (C)
Kumar Sangakkara (wk)
Dean Jones
Ross Taylor
Craig Mcmillan
Dwayne Bravo
Harbhajan Singh
Paul Reiffel
Zaheer Khan
Lasith Malinga

*I’ve tried to give my view on my choices in this draft, without any particular comments on omar’s team. I shall reserve those as responses.

Bowling

Went for a balanced attack overall, with key strike options for various situations.

Zaheer and Malinga are specialist one day bowlers, amongst the top in the game today in probably its most difficult time for bowlers. Malinga doesn’t need too much of an intro, but with one of the best strike rates in the history of the game(comparable to Waqar, better than Donald), and 5 fifers and 7 4-wickets hauls, his stats back him up impressively too. Zak’s actually goes down to 25 when he bowls second with a strike partner.

Have single-handedly shouldered the responsibility of being the strike bowlers for their countries bowling on largely unresponsive wickets. Both are excellent at the beginning and end of an innings and part of a select few able counter the largely batsman centric game that ODI cricket is nowadays. Chuffed to have them leading the line.

Reiffel was an unsung hard worker for the Aussies, being part of the team prior to their golden years. He will provide an ideal follow-up to my two frontliners with his nagging line and length, and. excellent control of the seam.

Harbhajan Singh wouldn’t figure in my list of favourite people, but even I can’t doubt the passion and intensity the sardar brings to the table, along with his irrefutable ability. Singh relies a lot on the confidence he inspires in a captain, which is a large reason why we’ve seen a drop off under the Dhoni years as compared to Ganguly. Smith’s aim would be to use him as one of his main strike bowlers, not just to contain the batsmen in the middle overs, which he’s good at as well. Not too many in nm’s team are particularly capable players of spin bowling, so again, would expect Bhajji to do well.

Bravo is a more than capable bowler, with a fabulous strike rate and excellent at the death. He would take the responsibility of the fifth bowler (can bowl first or second change too). McMillan was a handy, irritating bowler, tough to get away in the middle overs, Sachin at one time was a regular ODI bowler for India, and considering that element of genius he brought to it, it would be unwise to underestimate him.

Batting

Not much to say here, the top 4 speak for themselves. All are of the highest possible quality, with the Best Batsman in ODI’s Ever Ever Ever leading the line. Seriously though, the strategy was to have a batsmen class enough to attack/build innings at will. Whether batting first or chasing, these batsmen all possess the ability to polish off attacks single-handedly. Ross Taylor at number 5 will provide the attacking thrust for the latter part of the innings, and is well capable of rescuing his team from a 50/3 situation, which NZ find themselves in with regularity. I’d play McMillan ahead of Bravo, as again he can play as comfortably in 2nd gear as he can in 5th. Technically underrated IMO, he was a fighter, ideal for my number 6. Bravo will provide the fireworks at 7. Harbhajan and Reiffel are pretty handy with the willow too.

Fielding

Bravo, McMillan, Taylor, Smith, Sachin and Jones more than make up for some of the plodders I have. Sanga is one of the best wk’s out there.

I’m quite pleased with my side, good balanced fighting unit, with an excellent captain, and some stupendous experience in there. Should get through pretty easily.

All the best omar.
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Smith and Sangakka both average just 38 in reality. And Dean Jones hasn't really played many games after 1990, and those he has are not spread around the countries. Mostly in Aus or NewZealand( and a series in WI, where he did well). In SA, he averaged just 21 in 7 games.
 
If you had a more attacking spinner, I would've voted for you. As it is, requires a bit more thought.
 
omardalvi said:
Smith and Sangakka both average just 38 in reality. And Dean Jones hasn't really played many games after 1990, and those he has are not spread around the countries. Mostly in Aus or NewZealand( and a series in WI, where he did well). In SA, he averaged just 21 in 7 games.
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Haha what a cnut, you didn't even wait a post to have a go.

Just got back from footie, a shower and then I'll get back to any constructive arguments.
 
Like I said in my game against Donadol, I really think that a few of his batsmen are "names" and aren't really as good as they are being made out to be in ODIs. Plus I don't rate his bowling at all. Gone with Omar because of that.

Still think Donadol will top this group though. Once he has a bowler to add, he will be deadly.
 
omardalvi said:
Smith and Sangakka both average just 38 in reality. And Dean Jones hasn't really played many games after 1990, and those he has are not spread around the countries. Mostly in Aus or NewZealand( and a series in WI, where he did well). In SA, he averaged just 21 in 7 games.
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That's pretty good for ODI's if it is scored a SR of lower 80s and up. Just saying.
 
Donaldo's batting wins this again, and as I said in my deleted post in the other thread, Dean Jones is an excellent selection. Brilliant one day player in his day, talismanic for Australia in the pyjama shite.
 
It's not just the top 4. Even the batters outside the top 4 are excellent in Donadol's team, for their position.
 
Sorry omar, Donadol takes this. He does have a very strong batting line up with a good balance of innings builders and men that can accelerate at will.
 
And my bowling vs his bowling?
Ive got Donald, Ntini, Mills, and Vettori who'll keep a check on the run rate.
 
Right, thanks everyone for voting, this way or that.

If I was any of my batsmen looking at omar's bowlers, I'd be pretty pleased to face them. Donald and Ntini offer quality, but little in terms of variation in the limited overs format. Mills is an average backup, and Vettori is a rather defensive spinner in ODI's. Post that you have Styris, Clarke and Raina, which is a full plate tandoori chicken with galauti kebabs on the side for my batsmen.

I spent a minute or so trying to find a wicketkeeper in omar's line-up. I even slotted Dippenaar in there for a second, based on a vague recollection of him keeping sometime (he has, on checking, against the Lankans at Tangiers out of all the fkin places). Brendan Taylor is an average choice for that slot when you're competing against the best of the past 20 odd years. He's kept only against the minnows and a pretty average Windies side iirc.

Overall an average to good side which my team should have little problem in dispatching.

Fun fact: Zaheer's got Dippenaar out 4 times in 9 ODIs, and Malinga's snared Hayden in 2 out of 4 at a combined average of 10 runs.
 
omardalvi said:
And my bowling vs his bowling?
Ive got Donald, Ntini, Mills, and Vettori who'll keep a check on the run rate.
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I've never rated Ntini highly as an ODI bowler, fantastic servant he was for us but he never had the variations and was only effective in his first spell. After that he'd get milked. He was unable to bowl yorkers, had a poor excuse for a slower ball and panicked a bit whenever he was put under pressure. He was very fortunate to bowl in tandem with Pollock for most of his career so Polly would dry up the runs on one end whilst he could focus on getting the ball to mover of the seam. He had sever limitations IMO.

Donald is a good strike bowler and will get you wickets but he will leak runs, there's no two ways about that. Mills I quite rate as a 1st change and Vettori is a great bowler for ODI's to dry up the runs.

So in summary, as a full on unit your bowling is not as great you'd like to think for ODI's but that's just my opinion on it. You might differ but I've seen enough of Donald and Ntini as a South African to make an informed decision on what they capable of or not. If you had Pollock and Donald/Ntini then your bowling unit becomes very strong as Pollock in tandem with either Allan or Mack will get you wickets whilst containing.
 
How can you so easily say Styris will be hit all around? He's a genuine all rounder with an economy of 4.7. Bravo has an economy of 5.3 infact. Even Clarke's economy is at 5.0

Both Zaheer and Malinga, again have average economy of 5, and only Bhajji has an economy of 4.3.
Whereas you look at Donald and Ntini, both have economies of 4.1 and 4.5 respectively. And Vettori around 4.1.

For me, Sachin is the class batsman he has, and he takes that hit in his bowling. Even i've got good batsmen in Hayden, Clarke, Martyn, Dippenaar
 
omardalvi said:
How can you so easily say Styris will be hit all around? He's a genuine all rounder with an economy of 4.7. Bravo has an economy of 5.3 infact. Even Clarke's economy is at 5.0

Both Zaheer and Malinga, again have average economy of 5, and only Bhajji has an economy of 4.3.
Whereas you look at Donald and Ntini, both have economies of 4.1 and 4.5 respectively. And Vettori around 4.1.

For me, Sachin is the class batsman he has, and he takes that hit in his bowling. Even i've got good batsmen in Hayden, Clarke, Martyn, Dippenaar
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No. I can see your argument on the bowlers, but just no, don't rate Dippenaar at ALL! Never was and never will be a good ODI bat. Martyn maybe but I never liked him.
 
Brendan Taylor is a great pick, imo.. he's a fantastic batsman.

And he is a specialist keeper. You don't need much more than that in ODIs. Most specialist keepers do the job adequately enough.. except Kamran.
 
Agree with Zing. Strange to pick on Brendan Taylor, he's a class act.
 
I rate him as a batsman. My point was that as a keeper batsman, he hasn't had sufficient experience against the top nations to justify his inclusion in a best of 20 years draft pick.
 
I'm voting for Donald. That top 3 is pure class. Having Sachin is a huge advantage. And Harbhajan, despite disappointing for years, at his peak was deadly. Donald is better than any pacer on the other team but Ntini and him were not that dissimilar. Malinga and Zaheer are both quite different bowlers.

I really should get involved in this as well.
 
Sorry Omar, but your middle order is very disappointing.
 
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