RedCafe Cricket Draft- R-Indian vs Desert Eagle

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics and balance?


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KM

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RI'S BASTARDS

A feature across my team is that they won’t give an inch. Starting from the Captain to Kumble bowling with a broken jaw, they’ll take everything you can throw at them and keep coming back. In fact, one of them – Dujon has never played in a losing series. I don’t think you can price that attitude too highly in a team and thats what I was looking for. In fact, I sacrificed averages a couple of times for players I thought had the right mentality.

That said, playing DE’s team is basically going to be all about breaking through that scary opening partnership to get into the soft center. If I do that, only Hussey stands between me and a really long tail. Given that Sehwag gets out before he gets to 30 in 50% of the innings he plays, I think it’s quite likely we’ll get that breakthrough . Between Pigeon, Streak, Nash and McMillan, we’ll plough through that middle order and Kumble will mop up the tail.

Batting wise, I don’t have a lot to fear from his bowlers in my opinion. There’s a bunch of honest triers in there but no one to give my boys any serious trouble. Smith will soften them up and Aravinda and Clarke will feast on them while Marsh or Lamb dig in at one end.

A biased view maybe but I think my XI would beat DE’s 4 out of 5 games except for the odd game when both Sehwag and Hayden click and nothing works. I’m hoping everybody else sees it that way

The XI

1. Graeme Smith (c)
2. Geoff Marsh
3. Allan Lamb
4. Aravinda de Silva
5. Michael Clarke
6. Brian McMillan
7. Jeff Dujon (wk)
8. Heath Streak
9. Dion Nash
10. Anil Kumble (vc)
11. Glenn McGrath

I think my team’s very nicely balanced with everyone in the position they’re best suited to.

Batting

Opening – Smith and Marsh are a solid set of specialist openers. Smith (8000 runs at 50) is probably the best opener of the last decade while Marsh (3000 at 33) is a tough son of a bitch who’ll hold his end up.

Middle Order - At 3 I’ve got Allan Lamb (4600 at 36) who was an ever-present in the England middle order for a decade and loved playing against the quicks. Then come the stroke players deSilva (6300 at 43) and Clarke(6000 at 49). They’re both quality players of spin and importantly for me in the middle get their runs relatively quickly. Brian McMillan at 6 was a technically perfect middle order batsman who accumulated 2000 runs with an average of 40.

Lower Order Okay its 350 for 4 and you’ve made it past my formidable middle order. Can you breathe a sigh of relief? No...because Dujon at 7 is a strokeplayer averaging 32 with 5 centuries, Streak and Nash are almost allrounders with averages of 22 and 23 (after Nash's injury restricted his bowling, there were suggestions he play on as specialist batsman). Anil Kumble at 10 has a fecking test century and 5 fifties and was the usual nightwatchman for India. You’ll get McGrath quickly enough I suppose if you make it that far.

Bowling

Glenn McGrath…I’m not even going to talk about except to say 563 wickets at 21 point fecking 6. Heath Streak was a one-man attack for Zimbabwe and a superb swing bowler with 216 wickets at 28. Dion Nash when not injured or smoking pot was a lively seam bowler who got 93 wickets at 28. Big Mac was a very underrated allrounder…international cricket came a little late for him in his career but he still managed 74 wickets at 34 always hitting the deck hard and making batsmen uncomfortable with his bounce. Now my spin option - Kumble has 619 wickets and every legspinner’s trick in the book plus some he's invented. Clarke and Aravinda will chip in and act as partnership breakers.

One thing you’ll note about the bowlers is that they won’t shirk long spells. There’s not one among them that needs to be mothered and bowled in short spells.

Dujon’s one of the all-time great keepers and an incredible athlete. Personally, I think McMillan’s the best slip fielder I have ever seen. From an article about him -
Quote:
If he dropped a catch - and there aren't too many recorded instances, so you have to rely on his first-class colleagues for that - the reaction in the field would be stunned silence. Just silence, players looking at each other, not saying a word.
McGrath will be buying him a lot of beers.

Smith’s captain and I have a bunch to choose from for Vice-Captain. Streak, Clarke and deSilva were all possibilities. I went with Kumble in the end because I think he’ll be a perfect complement for Smith’s aggression and impulsiveness.


DESERT EAGLES

Hayden
Sehwag
Shafiq
Hussey
Dhoni( C, Wk)
Sammy
Bravo
Mendis
Malinga
Srinath
Morrison

12th man: JP Duminy

My openers are pretty much sex on fire. Right/Left combo and if even one of them gets going they can take the game away from the opposition.

My middle order is also pretty strong, Hussey is obviously class. Shafiq has 2 centuries and 6 half centuries in 13 tests and can also contribute with occasional leg breaks. Ideally I would like to have Dhoni a position lower but i think an average of more than 37 along with 5 centuries and 24 half centuries makes him a very deserving number 5 batsman as well.

6 and 7 is filled with two west indian all rounders, one the current captain and one a former captain. Sammy is a decent medium pacer and a solid batsman. Bravo when on form is as destructive as it gets. Two centuries against a Mcgrath led Aussie pace attack down under shows his quality. He is also an excellent bowler.

8 and 9 are the two unorthodox sri lankan bowlers. "When I started playing Test cricket, I was not as good as Mendis. He is exceptional. He is the future of Sri Lankan cricket," Big words from Murali himself. Both bowlers had amazing test debuts and I would argue a little is due to the fact that their action takes some getting used to. I have no doubt that the older players in RI's team will struggle against them.

10/11 are my two opening bowlers. Morrison was NZ's number one pace bowler for almost a decade and Srinath carried the indian pace attack for a long time. They can both reverse swing the ball.

My twelfth man is JP Duminy. Can chip in with ball or bat and is an excellent fielder which is the number one prerequisite for a 12th man in test cricket.

other notes:

My fielding is excellent

7 out of my eleven players can bowl ( not counting Shafiq) giving me great variety.

RI's strength is Kumble and Mcgrath and I feel I have the kryptonite to those two in Hayden and Sehwag.

Good luck RI, may the best team win.

here we go.
 
RI's team is far too strong for DE's outfit, gutsy as they might be.
 
RI's team is the better side particularly with the bowling attack. Going to vote with the Bastards in this one.
 
RI is better balanced. DE too dependent on openers. If they fire though, it could be game over. Watching Sehwag and Hayden bat would be a treat!
 
For me DE's error came when he picked Dhoni. Though I'm not absolutely sure I think it was the fourth round and there were still a few bowlers left. Much as I admire Dhoni for his character and leadership, to sacrifice a fourth round pick for him, especially when you're near the bottom of the draft for the next pick really makes life difficult.

I respect Srinath for giving us some pace option in those dark years after Kapil's retirement but if you're going to have him as your strike bowler, you're in trouble.
 
I suppose RI will pick Hayden but let's see. Smith/Hayden opening pair will be by far the best in the draft
 
Bad luck DE...like i said earlier, if you could've managed to add one high quality bowler -say a third round pick to that incredible opening partnership... I might've been in serious trouble.

Yeah Crappy I'll take Hayden. Much as I adore Sehwag, Hayden is just more consistent than him. Also he fits better into that whole Bastards theme i have going on.

I know I don't have to bother saying it but i'm going to replace Marsh obviously. Fighter though he was, that kind of average could've been a liability in a later round.
 
Nah 'much better' is an amateur's view coming from watching him be far too inconsistent in one-dayers and 20-20s. Despite appearances, he's basically a test batsman. Okay he hasn't shone in England and South Africa but his average in Australia is evidence of his quality. Add that strike rate which can set many bowlers off their game plan in and he's up there in elite company.
 
I would've picked Sehwag. Just about edges Hayden for me. Both are true match winners though...coupled with Smith, the team looks crazily good.
 
Nah 'much better' is an amateur's view coming from watching him be far too inconsistent in one-dayers and 20-20s. Despite appearances, he's basically a test batsman. Okay he hasn't shone in England and South Africa but his average in Australia is evidence of his quality. Add that strike rate which can set many bowlers off their game plan in and he's up there in elite company.
Nothing to do with One dayers. If we were to play Eng/SA in English or South African conditions tomorrow, would you rather have Hayden or Sehwag as your opening batsmen? Hayden every time for me. Though it needs to be said Sehwag still said he would prefer to play in the middle order rather than open in tests. Hayden proved himself against every kind of bowling while I still would not trust Sehwag to last too long against likes of Steyn, Morkel, Anderson in conditions which suit swing bowling. Perhaps he would fare better at no.4 like Sachin but we are talking about opening here.
 
Nothing to do with One dayers. If we were to play Eng/SA in English or South African conditions tomorrow, would you rather have Hayden or Sehwag as your opening batsmen? Hayden every time for me. Though it needs to be said Sehwag still said he would prefer to play in the middle order rather than open in tests. Hayden proved himself against every kind of bowling while I still would not trust Sehwag to last too long against likes of Steyn, Morkel, Anderson in conditions which suit swing bowling. Perhaps he would fare better at no.4 like Sachin but we are talking about opening here.

Thing is Sehwag's value is beyond just his average. You're talking about possibly the most intimidating batsman in modern cricket. When he's on his game, he can change the complexion of a match by just making 60-70 runs.

On top of that he's a quality spinner when the conditions suit him.

I'm probably being a hypocrite arguing in favour of Sehwag after picking Hayden but it wasn't as easy a decision as you're making out.

Also if you're going to complain about Sehwag's performances in SA and England, have you looked at Hayden's averages there? 34.5 for your information. Better than Sehwag's 27 but not as consistent as you're making out.
 
Thing is Sehwag's value is beyond just his average. You're talking about possibly the most intimidating batsman in modern cricket. When he's on his game, he can change the complexion of a match by just making 60-70 runs.

On top of that he's a quality spinner when the conditions suit him.

I'm probably being a hypocrite arguing in favour of Sehwag after picking Hayden but it wasn't as easy a decision as you're making out.

Also if you're going to complain about Sehwag's performances in SA and England, have you looked at Hayden's averages there? 34.5 for your information. Better than Sehwag's 27 but not as consistent as you're making out.
Maybe Sehwag's pathetic failure in Eng and Oz last year has clouded my thinking a bit. I am not discounting Sehwag's game changing ability at all, well aware of it.