Redcafe Cricket Draft- Nm03 vs Donadol

Who will win In a match between these two teams?

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KM

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Please vote on basis of performances post 1990

nm03
Herscelle Gibbs
Chanderpaul
Ijaz Ahmed
Ramnaresh Sarwan
Lehmann
Dhoni
Shoaib Malik
Kapil Dev
Shaun Pollock
Brett Lee
Craig McDermott

v/s

Donadol
Sachin Tendulkar
Graeme Smith (C)
Kumar Sangakkara (wk)
Dean Jones
Ross Taylor
Craig Mcmillan
Dwayne Bravo
Harbhajan Singh
Paul Reiffel
Zaheer Khan
Lasith Malinga

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Here we go
 
Please vote on basis of performances post 1990

nm03
Herscelle Gibbs
Chanderpaul
Ijaz Ahmed
Ramnaresh Sarwan
Lehmann
Dhoni
Shoaib Malik
Kapil Dev
Shaun Pollock
Brett Lee
Craig McDermott
nm03 said:
1. Herschelle Gibbs
Scored 8000 runs @ 36. Strike Rate of 83. Ace Fielder

2. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Scored 8700 runs @ 41.50 Strike Rate of 71. Crab

3. Ijaz Ahmed
Scored 6500 runs @ 32.33 Strike Rate of 80.30. Great Fielder

4. Ramnaresh Sarwan
Scored 5600 runs @ 43.4 Strike Rate of 75

5. Darren Lehmann
Scored 3000 runs @ 39 Strike Rate of 81.3

6. MS Dhoni
Scored 6900 runs @ 51 Strike Rate of 88

7. Shoaib Malik
Scored 5200 Runs @ 33 Strike Rate of 78
Took 139 wickets @ 36.10 Econ of 4.55

8. Kapil Dev
Took 73 wickets @ 29 with an econ of 3.71
Scored 893 runs @ average of 18

9. Shaun Pollock
Took 393 wickets @ 24.5 with an econ of 3.67 and strike rate of 39.9
Batting average of 26.45 and strike rate of 86. Scored over 3500 runs

10. Brett Lee
Took 380 wickets @ 23.3 with an econ of 4.76 and strike rate of 29
Batting average of 18 and strike rate of 83

11. Craig McDermott
Took 113 wickets @ 21.53 with an econ of 3.68 and strike rate of 35

Batting Summary: My batting is extremely well balanced, wth an outstanding opening partnership of fire and ice - Gibbs will attack and score quickly, while Chanderpaul wil lay down the anchor and rotate strike. After that, Ijaz is capable of both attacknig and rotating the strike, depending on which of the openners he is replacing. Following that, we have Ramnaresh Sarwan at 4. He will continue to rotate the strike and provide a base for the more talented stroke-makers around him to accelerate the innings. At 5, we have Darren Lehmann who is one of my favorite players. He is capable of both building an innings or attacking to finish it. Following that, there is no let up, as we have MS Dhoni - a master of finishing an finishing an innings while batting first or chasing. He can also knuckle down and play a long knock if needed. At 7, I still have Shoaib Malik. Another who has the ability to both hit big, or play a long knock with the lower order batsman. There is no let up, because after Malik, the team still has Kapil Dev and Shaun Pollock, too of the finest all-rounders of our time. Both our capable of scoring runs quickly, or building a partnership with other batsmen. Similarly, Lee has the ability so hit big shots, and has done so many times to swing games in Australia's favor. If you can reach McDermott, have fun with him, because he is my one man tail!

Bowling Summary: Lee and Mcdermott will open my bowling - they are polar opposites - Lee will bring the fire and aim to pick up wickets, while McDermott has the ability to both pick up wickets and keep the runs down. At first change, there is no let up - Shaun Pollock is one of the greatest bowlers in the modern era. He will continue to strangle the opposition batsmen, and also pick up wickets. Following that is Kapil Dev - who similarly, has an economy of 3.7 and an average of 29. Quite simply, any batting side will struggle to put up even 200 against my team. As my fifth bowler, I have Shoaib Malik, who will provide variety, and has a decent average of 33 and econ 4.55. He is a very capable fifth bowler. Also, Darren Lehmann is more than capable of bowlnig a few overs as well. As a unit, I can both take 10 wickets and contain opponents to very low scores

Captaincy: I have two WC winning captains - MS & Kapil. I also have Shaun and Shoaib who have captained their countries. Since Kapil was not captain in the 90s, Dhoni will captain, with the others advising.

Overall: I have a very solid batting order that bats all the way till 10. I have a solid openning partnership, followed by a great mixture of stroke makers and others to rotate the strike around. I also have the greatest finisher currently in ODIs in Dhoni, and also have all rounders batting all the way to 10. I will not be bowled out, and will always put up a competitive score to defend, or have the ability to chase down any target. My bowling is also clearly vvery strong. None of my bowlers give up runs easily, and I have wicket-takers as well. I will strangle the other teams batting, and pick up wickets throughout the innings. No team will be able to put up a big score, or chase mine down.
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v/s

Donadol
Sachin Tendulkar
Graeme Smith (C)
Kumar Sangakkara (wk)
Dean Jones
Ross Taylor
Craig Mcmillan
Dwayne Bravo
Harbhajan Singh
Paul Reiffel
Zaheer Khan
Lasith Malinga

Donadol said:
Sachin Tendulkar
Graeme Smith (C)
Kumar Sangakkara (wk)
Dean Jones
Ross Taylor
Craig Mcmillan
Dwayne Bravo
Harbhajan Singh
Paul Reiffel
Zaheer Khan
Lasith Malinga

*I’ve tried to give my view on my choices in this draft, without any particular comments on nm’s team. I shall reserve those as responses.

Bowling

Went for a balanced attack overall, with key strike options for various situations.

Zaheer and Malinga are specialist one day bowlers, amongst the top in the game today in probably its most difficult time for bowlers. Malinga doesn’t need too much of an intro, but with one of the best strike rates in the history of the game(comparable to Waqar, better than Donald), and 5 fifers and 7 4-wickets hauls, his stats back him up impressively too. Zak’s actually goes down to 25 when he bowls second with a strike partner.

Have single-handedly shouldered the responsibility of being the strike bowlers for their countries bowling on largely unresponsive wickets. Both are excellent at the beginning and end of an innings and part of a select few able counter the largely batsman centric game that ODI cricket is nowadays. Chuffed to have them leading the line.

Reiffel was an unsung hard worker for the Aussies, being part of the team prior to their golden years. He will provide an ideal follow-up to my two frontliners with his nagging line and length, and. excellent control of the seam.

Harbhajan Singh wouldn’t figure in my list of favourite people, but even I can’t doubt the passion and intensity the sardar brings to the table, along with his irrefutable ability. Singh relies a lot on the confidence he inspires in a captain, which is a large reason why we’ve seen a drop off under the Dhoni years as compared to Ganguly. Smith’s aim would be to use him as one of his main strike bowlers, not just to contain the batsmen in the middle overs, which he’s good at as well. Not too many in nm’s team are particularly capable players of spin bowling, so again, would expect Bhajji to do well.

Bravo is a more than capable bowler, with a fabulous strike rate and excellent at the death. He would take the responsibility of the fifth bowler (can bowl first or second change too). McMillan was a handy, irritating bowler, tough to get away in the middle overs, Sachin at one time was a regular ODI bowler for India, and considering that element of genius he brought to it, it would be unwise to underestimate him.

Batting

Not much to say here, the top 4 speak for themselves. All are of the highest possible quality, with the Best Batsman in ODI’s Ever Ever Ever leading the line. Seriously though, the strategy was to have a batsmen class enough to attack/build innings at will. Whether batting first or chasing, these batsmen all possess the ability to polish off attacks single-handedly. Ross Taylor at number 5 will provide the attacking thrust for the latter part of the innings, and is well capable of rescuing his team from a 50/3 situation, which NZ find themselves in with regularity. I’d play McMillan ahead of Bravo, as again he can play as comfortably in 2nd gear as he can in 5th. Technically underrated IMO, he was a fighter, ideal for my number 6. Bravo will provide the fireworks at 7. Harbhajan and Reiffel are pretty handy with the willow too.

Fielding

Bravo, McMillan, Taylor, Smith, Sachin and Jones more than make up for some of the plodders I have. Sanga is one of the best wk’s out there.

I’m quite pleased with my side, good balanced fighting unit, with an excellent captain, and some stupendous experience in there. Should get through pretty easily.

All the best nm.
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KM, missed out on Sachin's name in the opening post...and IL, would be a great help if you could embolden the 'Bowling' in the written bit

Cheers.
 
Donadol said:
KM, missed out on Sachin's name in the opening post...and IL, would be a great help if you could embolden the 'Bowling' in the written bit

Cheers.
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Done. Apologies for the mistake.
 
I was banking towards nm03 but he has shoaib malik as 5th bowler. Can you really bank on him. I am not sure about kapil in the 90's as well. His batting looks great though, very deep. I think this would be tough to decide. Will wait for others thought.
 
I really don't see the strength in dd's bowling. Donadol, do you really think reiffel, bhajji, bravo and McMillan are good enough to fill thirty overs?
 
Reiffel and Bhajji are regular bowlers, consistently bowling their quota of overs for their countries, each with good wicket counts and econ rates (3.92 and 4.30 respectively)...so I didn't quite get your point?

Bravo is a modern day ODI medium fast bowler...good at the death, has multiple variations, and can hit the deck hard when he wants to. McMillan would be used primarily in the middle overs, unless Smith gets a Dhoni like 'go with the gut and get him thwacked' feeling.
 
Went with Donadol as he has 3 bankers at the start of the innings with some fire power to follow in Taylor and Bravo. Plus his back up bowlers are better than nm's in my opinion.
 
Donadol said:
Reiffel and Bhajji are regular bowlers, consistently bowling their quota of overs for their countries, each with good wicket counts and econ rates (3.92 and 4.30 respectively)...so I didn't quite get your point?

Bravo is a modern day ODI medium fast bowler...good at the death, has multiple variations, and can hit the deck hard when he wants to. McMillan would be used primarily in the middle overs, unless Smith gets a Dhoni like 'go with the gut and get him thwacked' feeling.
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okay. I don't know what I was thinking with regard to bhajji. He is as much of a frontliner as one can get. I know reiffel was a full fledged bowler but I recall him to be quite okay. But your point is valid. Bit of a brain lapse from me. Sorry.
 
Just noticed this started.

Our line-up's fine...he bats to 7 with Bhajji as a hitter at 8. We bat to 9 with Lee as a hitter at 10. His top order is clearly superior but we have the length to keep on hitting.

We also have better finishers. Dhoni, Lehmann and Kapil are master finishers of a game and have done it countless times for worldcup winning teams. Taylor, Bravo and McMillan don't have the same credentials. He's heavily dependant on a good start and that someone from the top order carries his bat.

Bowling-wise. We are clearly superior
Pollock>>Malinga
Lee>Zaheer
McDermott>Reiffel
Kapil>Bravo

On his side
Shoaib<Harbhajan
He has better part-timers in Sachin and McMillan than our Lehmann and Chanderpaul.

Finally we have a man as captain who inspired his team to a World Cup win at home with a billion people screaming for it and stood up when it counted in the final plus Kapil's wily advice to help him out. He'll probably make Smith his captain and Smith couldn't stop poor SA from choking.
 
I think Donadol's bowlnig is much weaker, and my frontliners will pick up at least a couple of wickets, exposing his weak middle order. Looks like voting is being swated by Donadol's names rather than a blanced team, so am not going to waste my time. Just my (Honest) opinion on the teams is:

Gibbs<<Tendulkar
Chanderpaul = Smith (at least. I'm being generous)
Ahmed<Sanga
Sarwan=Jones
Lehman>Taylor
Dhoni>>McMillan
Malik>Bravo
Dev>>Harbhajan
Pollock>>Reiffel
Lee>Khan
McDermott>Malinga

Looks like you guys don't agree, but I don't see how his top order wouldn't lose a few wickets, and I would clean up his middle order and tail.
 
Good luck Donadol btw. I don't rate your bowling, but it looks like everyone else does. If you pick from my team, I would take Pollock if you win.
 
Red-Indian said:
Just noticed this started.

Our line-up's fine...he bats to 7 with Bhajji as a hitter at 8. We bat to 9 with Lee as a hitter at 10. His top order is clearly superior but we have the length to keep on hitting.

We also have better finishers. Dhoni, Lehmann and Kapil are master finishers of a game and have done it countless times for worldcup winning teams. Taylor, Bravo and McMillan don't have the same credentials. He's heavily dependant on a good start and that someone from the top order carries his bat.

Bowling-wise. We are clearly superior
Pollock>>Malinga
Lee>Zaheer
McDermott>Reiffel
Kapil>Bravo

On his side
Shoaib<Harbhajan
He has better part-timers in Sachin and McMillan than our Lehmann and Chanderpaul.

Finally we have a man as captain who inspired his team to a World Cup win at home with a billion people screaming for it and stood up when it counted in the final plus Kapil's wily advice to help him out. He'll probably make Smith his captain and Smith couldn't stop poor SA from choking.
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Heh, that's some selective criticism...fair enough, not going to get into too much of a to and fro here, but in my opinion you screwed it up when you chose Kapil in the draft. An absolute mystery choice as anyone who ever saw him in the 90s would tell you...I think Irfan Pathan had been available at that point and remember thinking he would've been a better pick. Bravo is definitely better(batting, bowling, fielding), not a debate at all.

I struggle to see how Lehmann is rated by people, but there you go. Talented, yes, but barely better than say, Graham Thorpe, who would probably have again, been a better choice. Better fielder too, and atleast he was fkin fit.

Fully take your point about Dhoni, I like him as an ODI batsman although I feel he's done himself a disservice sometimes by playing so low down the order. A bit surprised by how McMillan doesn't seem to be rated very highly. He could be as destructive as you can get at times. He's torn some of the best bowlers a new one in limited overs.

I feel my bowling attack is better overall as Smith wouldn't be tearing hair out for options, but we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
:( I hope I at least beat Omar. Do you people think switching Chandana in for Kapil or Malik will help?
 
Donadol said:
Heh, that's some selective criticism...fair enough, not going to get into too much of a to and fro here, but in my opinion you screwed it up when you chose Kapil in the draft. An absolute mystery choice as anyone who ever saw him in the 90s would tell you...I think Irfan Pathan had been available at that point and remember thinking he would've been a better pick. Bravo is definitely better(batting, bowling, fielding), not a debate at all.

I struggle to see how Lehmann is rated by people, but there you go. Talented, yes, but barely better than say, Graham Thorpe, who would probably have again, been a better choice. Better fielder too, and atleast he was fkin fit.

Fully take your point about Dhoni, I like him as an ODI batsman although I feel he's done himself a disservice sometimes by playing so low down the order. A bit surprised by how McMillan doesn't seem to be rated very highly. He could be as destructive as you can get at times. He's torn some of the best bowlers a new one in limited overs.

I feel my bowling attack is better overall as Smith wouldn't be tearing hair out for options, but we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Kapil in the 90s turned himself into a rocksteady medium pace bowler who was impossible to get away for runs. He bowled 10 overs in every match he played. His batting suffered and he was becoming a little toothless wicket taking wise. He is an excellent fourth bowler to complement the likes of Pollock, Lee and McDermott. Just the kind of bowler you need in the middle overs. He was far superior to Bravo who gives away 5.3 runs for every over he bowls.

Between Lehmann and Thorpe, Lehmann was clearly the better choice. Lehmann got his runs quicker, could bowl and most importantly was a winner who took ODIs seriously unlike the England team of that era who were basically a bunch of mildly talented losers in this form of the game.
 
Think Donadol's team is very well balanced. Particularly the batting. Not such a big fan of his bowling..
 
nm's bowling is definitely better than Donaldo but in ODIs batting is perhaps more important than bowling since you don't have the compulsion to bowl the opposition out to win. His top 4 is simply in different class to nm's and that makes a huge difference. You need people in 50 over match to go on and score the big innings. Personally bar Gibbs I won't have had any other of those batsmen in nm's top4 in my team.
 
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