RedCafe Cricket Draft- kps88 vs Crappy

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics and balance?


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KM

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kps88's XI

I’ve packed my batting with flair players and it looks like Crappy’s done the opposite, going for the more solid and unspectacular. My odd batsman may self destruct, but I only need a couple of them to click and I’m on my way to a big score in quick time. This team will always be on the attack and play to win. Worth noting the opening pair are known openers and the left - right hand combo.

Walsh is definitely the danger man but he can only bowl for so long before being tired out, since Crappy’s only gone for four specialist bowlers. I’ve never seen Aldermann so can’t really comment (Youtube videos can make Sami look good). The rest are fairly average and shouldn’t cause too many problems. My top four are all known for being strong against spin so Macgill shouldn’t be a problem. Hafeez will get hit out of the attack if brought on.

I’ve gone for 5 specialist bowlers so I can rotate them around and keep everyone fresh without using part timers. Zaheer, Lawson, Flintoff, Kasprowicz all complement each other well and offer something different.

I haven’t watched Lawson play but he’s described as a fast right hand, not medium but fast. He was tall, quick and lively but had bad luck with injuries. He got the man of the series award in the 83 Ashes as well. His Cricinfo and Wiki pages read as a player who could have been great but had bad luck with injuries.

Zaheer Khan at his best was a tremendous seam bowler. Worth noting Flintoff’s record may not be spectacular, but he’s big game player and I expect him to bowl his heart out. And of course, I’ve got Murali – the second greatest spinner ever. Murali at his peak WILL get wickets. Don’t think Crappy having three sub continental batsmen will help against Murali when two of the three are Hafeez and Misbah.

If my batting clicks there will be a high score put up in quick time, giving my 5 bowlers more time to bowl out the opposition.

Here’s my team.

Jayasuriya – Specialist opener. Over 100 tests at an average of 40. No record of his strike rate but I imagine it being on the high side.

Slater – Average of 42. The most steady of my batsmen and an accomplished opener.

Azharuddin (c) – Average of 45 over 99 tests. An attractive to watch, wristy, stroke player. Tremendous slip fielder.

Mallick – Average of 43. Similar player to Azhar (off the field as well!) in that he was wristy and great to watch.

Astle – Average of 37. Another one who’s entertaining. Great slip fielder as well.

Flintoff – Batting/Bowling average of 31/32. Not very impressive stats wise but a big game player. Can probably chip in with a 40-50 with the bat and provide pressure with the ball.

Moin Khan (WK) – Average of 28. Didn’t rate him with the bat but he’s got a few 100s and 50s to his name so not a complete mug I suppose. Experience behind the wickets.

Zaheer Khan

Kasprowicz

Lawson

Muralitharan

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crappycrapperson's XI

Match specific tactics and musings


kps88's batting vs my bowling -
Pretty weak batting IMO. Jayasuriya averages 35 away from home. I would back Walsh to scoop him 9 out of 10 times. Azhar's average away from home - 36.40... Malik’s drops off away as well. Rest of his batsmen are average, bar may be Slater. None of which my bowlers should have a hard time getting them out. My attack will be Walsh and Aldermann to start, Cairns the third pacer, Macgill spinner and Hafeez second spinner/fifth bowler.


kps88's bowling vs my batting -

The only person that bothers me is Murali. I have three players from the subcontinent in my top 6 so that will help. Plus Cullinan has a great record against SL and also proved himself in India, it was only Warne's spin that bothered him. Kirsten and Crowe should cope fine enough as well. The other two main bowlers are Z.Khan and Flintoff. The latter is really more of a stock bowler and bar Hafeez, I don’t think anyone else in my batting order will be bothered by the bounce he can generate. Z. Khan I rate a lot when he is at his best but people like Kirsten, Dravid, Crowe, Cullinan, Cairns faced some of the best fast bowlers of all time and proved themselves good enough to survive against them. My tail is a big worry of course so yeah, there will be ample pressure on middle order to pile up runs. I think they are more than good enough to do that.

So here we go with my team

1. Gary Kirsten - As solid as they come even of not a fancy or swashbuckling batsmen ala Vivs or Lara. If Germany had a proper cricket team, he would be in it given the efficient style of his batting. Was without any doubt SA's best batsmen before likes of Kallis arrived. Has 21 hundreds, first one to score a hundred against every test playing nation as well. Average of 45.34.

2. M. Hafeez - Simply an above average batsmen, in the side to provide a handy second spin option as the fifth bowler. Has an average of above 38. He has a solid enough technique to cope against any attack, but prone to mental lapses. As a bowler coming into his own as well over the last year.

3. Dravid (vc) - errrrr

4. Martin Crowe (c) - A smart cricketer, who is credited with introducing the cricket world to concepts such as pinch-hitters. That's just a value addition given he averages 45.77 as a batsman and is a former wisden cricketer of the year. Interestingly averages above 66 in Australia. Captain of the team, and his record in 16 tests as captain improves some bounds as well

5. Daryl Cullinan- If not for Dravid, would be batting at no.3 probably. Another supremely solid batsmen. Seems to be a forgotten one as well given he his understated style. Average of44.21

6. Misbah-ul-Haq- Arrived on the cricket scene with his heroics (or near heroics) in the first T20 WC. Has been one of the most solid Pak batsmen since then. Averages above 45. Also has shown good experience batting with tail-enders, which will be handy at no.6 position.

7. Chris Cairns - One of my fav crickters. Better all-rounder than Flintoff for my money. Batting average above 33 with 5 hundreds and a bowling average of 29.40, better than many of the other strike bowlers in this draft. Has 13 5-wickets haul to his name as well. Contender for the best third pace bowler in any team on this draft IMO.

8. Adam Parore(wk)- Wicketkeeper. Averages above 26 with the bat, with 2 hundreds and 14 fifties to his name. Not good enough to out bat an attack on his own but should provide good support to the batsmen above him. Holds the NZ record for most WK dismissals so a very safe keeper to have. Something that is being bizarrely overlooked in this competition. Your bowlers are going to suffer if your keeper keeps spilling stuff.

9. S. Macgill- I am one of those who believe if not for Warne, Macgill would have been the premier Oz spinner and would have been counted as one of the best to play the game. But alas, life is never fair, he was destined to live in the shadow of Warne and go down as a forgotten cricketer. Great turner of the ball and as a leg spinner would trouble many a batsmen. Bowling average of 29.02, strike rate of 54(better than Warne's!) One of his best bowling performances


10. C. Walsh- errr

11. Aldermann- Ah.. my sole controversial pick perhaps. Never saw him play but then we had to pick players who debuted after 1980. And I am sure many of the younger ones here picked some 90s players solely by their reputation, having never seen them play much. So I only am going to post his record here.. Average of 27.15, strike rate of 59.8, 170 wickets in 41 tests. Took 9 wickets on his debut, 42 wickets against England in his debut series! Wisden cricketer of the year in 82. His record would be better if not for a ban for playing in SA during apartheid period. Even after that ban, he came back and took 41 wickets in a series against Eng. All time leading wicket taker for Western Oz with 956 first class wickets. To give a taste of his bowling -



Here we go.
 
cnut, I just wrote a long post which disappeared with the deleted thread.
 
Cheers KM.

The problem with kps88's batting line-up (and to be fair, he ackowledges it) is that its extremely unreliablie. All of them are a bit hti and miss. His bowling's good - one of the greatest spinners of all time supported by a decent set of quicks. All of them capable of getting wickets.

Crappy's a bowler short really. He's got 3 full time bowlers of which Walsh is the only standout, an allrounder who's not Kallis class and only one part-timer in Hafeez. If Walsh has an off-day, he's in serious trouble.

In the end, Crappy's semi-covered his weakness with a very nice looking middle order while Zen hasn't really been able to make his bowling look scary. Not saying it's bad but it's not intimidating.

I'll go with Crappy but he'll really need to address that weakness if he wants to move much further ahead.
 
Crowe has played a single Test against Murali, and has been dismissed in both innings by him, and scored one run.

Crappy's middle order is solid, but he's compromised on a) a better strategy , and a more attacking bent of mind b) a bowling unit capable of taking 20 wickets.

And McGill wasn't even close to Warne, despite the hoopla around him.

Close, will let it play out mentally. I have a feeling my Dravid and cCrowe bias will win out even though I like kps's balance.
 
Cheers KM.

The problem with kps88's batting line-up (and to be fair, he ackowledges it) is that its extremely unreliablie. All of them are a bit hti and miss.

Thing is I don't see how they could all fail together. We're talking about peak form, so it's not that unfair to assume at least 2 or 3 hit rather than miss. If that happens I'll score big runs, fast.
 
Thing is I don't see how they could all fail together. We're talking about peak form, so it's not that unfair to assume at least 2 or 3 hit rather than miss. If that happens I'll score big runs, fast.

Yes but the most I can see you score is around 400. None of them while fun to watch are innings builders. I'm speaking from memory but I have a feeling there's maybe 2 or 3 doubles in there. Can your bowling get that lovely middle-order out under 400? I'm not convinced.

I'll admit its not cut and dry though. Sanath does have a triple century even if he got out before 30 in close to 80% of the games he played.
 
Very close one and really don't know who to vote for. Still find it hard to vote for a side with Azhar though.
 
Yes but the most I can see you score is around 400. None of them while fun to watch are innings builders. I'm speaking from memory but I have a feeling there's maybe 2 or 3 doubles in there.

The top 5 all have doubles to their name if you count Azhar's 199. But yeah, I get your point.
 
How am I a bowler short?

I assume people are not counting Cairns as a full bowler. He was very much a bowling all rounder in tests

Here is his bowling record in tests-

62 matches, 104 innings, 218 wickets, 29.4 average, 53.6 strike rate, 11 5wi and 1 10wim

@Red Indian- one of your bowlers in Heath Streak, who has an almost identical record to Cairns in 65 matches.

Kasporwicz one of kps88's bowler has a much inferior bowling record to Cairns.

It is not even as if Cairns bowled less.

Kasporwicz on average bowled about 97 balls each innings, while Cairns bowled 112. Even Zaheer Khan has about 111 balls each innings to his name.
 
Crowe has played a single Test against Murali, and has been dismissed in both innings by him, and scored one run.

Crappy's middle order is solid, but he's compromised on a) a better strategy , and a more attacking bent of mind b) a bowling unit capable of taking 20 wickets.

And McGill wasn't even close to Warne, despite the hoopla around him.

Close, will let it play out mentally. I have a feeling my Dravid and cCrowe bias will win out even though I like kps's balance.

Comparing my bowling Unit to yours, we have

Walsh = Donald
Aldermann = McDermott
Cairns > Klusner

Then you are left with Aamir and Macgill. Hafezz is in similar ball park to Hooper/Waugh when it comes to spin bowling.

Also I never said Macgill was anywhere close to Warne. He was rightly bumped off whenever Warne was available. He was however good enough to play for many a test nations. Someone like Eng/SA would have killed to have him for them. Given how few good leg spinners come up, he was very unfortunate to be competing with the best of all time for a single spot.
 
I like crappy's batting alot even though I don't rate Cairns much as a test bat. On the other hand, I'm not going to underestimate kps' batting. Some tough people in there who on their day can score big runs. I'll post in detail after dinner.
 
I like crappy's batting alot even though I don't rate Cairns much as a test bat. On the other hand, I'm not going to underestimate kps' batting. Some tough people in there who on their day can score big runs. I'll post in detail after dinner.
Cairns batting at 7 for me. His batting is a bonus really.
 
Going for Crappy. Just more solid.
 
Crappy has the better team so my vote goes to him.

Also, we should have a minimum of 16 votes per game - it's ridiculous if the participants themselves are not voting in each game given the time it took to set this thing up.
 
Agreed. All this anticipation and so few people are voting.
 
How am I a bowler short?

I assume people are not counting Cairns as a full bowler. He was very much a bowling all rounder in tests

Here is his bowling record in tests-

62 matches, 104 innings, 218 wickets, 29.4 average, 53.6 strike rate, 11 5wi and 1 10wim

@Red Indian- one of your bowlers in Heath Streak, who has an almost identical record to Cairns in 65 matches.

Kasporwicz one of kps88's bowler has a much inferior bowling record to Cairns.

It is not even as if Cairns bowled less.

Kasporwicz on average bowled about 97 balls each innings, while Cairns bowled 112. Even Zaheer Khan has about 111 balls each innings to his name.

Fair enough. I suppose mentally I always count Cairns as a part-timer even though he's a bowler who can bat.

Even so your 5th bowler is basically a single part-timer with just 29 wickets. If you're not going to play 5 you'd normally split the duties over atleast a couple of them like Australia used to.

You're a bowler short.
 
Have to go with crappy i think. Both teams seem balanced, but i think crappys team is better than kps' overall.
 
Crappy has the slightly better team but does need to get in 1 more quality bowler.
 
He will pick up Murali and have a great team after this. He is 6-0 up
 
I will vote on this later. I agree, don't understand how people aren't voting. I've voted on all the matches so far.
 
I will vote on this later. I agree, don't understand how people aren't voting. I've voted on all the matches so far.
I think some people don't vote when the scores are really one sided. They feel their votes won't make a difference or anything.
 
Comparing my bowling Unit to yours, we have

Walsh = Donald
Aldermann = McDermott
Cairns > Klusner

Then you are left with Aamir and Macgill. Hafezz is in similar ball park to Hooper/Waugh when it comes to spin bowling.

Also I never said Macgill was anywhere close to Warne. He was rightly bumped off whenever Warne was available. He was however good enough to play for many a test nations. Someone like Eng/SA would have killed to have him for them. Given how few good leg spinners come up, he was very unfortunate to be competing with the best of all time for a single spot.

So you haven't seen Alderman OR McDermott.

Time to get that tag changed, methinks.
 
Going with kps...respect the fact hat he stuck by his attacking choices. Balanced team, capable of shocking crappy's team.
 
So you haven't seen Alderman OR McDermott.

Time to get that tag changed, methinks.

Leave the poor guy be. I'm a fair bit older than him and I haven't seen Alderman. He just about made the cut under the year of debtu rules.

Didn't play a single test against India.

Total idiot by the way. Played 41 tests in 10 years - according to cricinfo, his absences were due to a shoulder injury from tacking a ground invader and the rebel tour of apartheid South Africa.
 
Speaking of Cricinfo, does any other sport have a resource like it? Every statistic from the very beginning of cricket uncontestably organised into a simple but brilliantly organised database available free for public use. Adding the Wisden in means even almanack reports are included.

Football certainly doesn't have anything like that. Do any of the American sports?

I just call it the Bible.
 
My family was utterly obsessed with cricket, I've seen stuff as far back as the 60s, and I like to believe that the 70s to the 00s is probably the time cricket will be remembered for, not the nonsense which is on nowadays...

It's a bit sad though, coming back to my family. There's no interest in the sport at all anymore, except from my granddad, who abuses the team endlessly, but still makes it a point to watch the matches.
 
Speaking of Cricinfo, does any other sport have a resource like it? Every statistic from the very beginning of cricket uncontestably organised into a simple but brilliantly organised database available free for public use. Adding the Wisden in means even almanack reports are included.

Football certainly doesn't have anything like that. Do any of the American sports?

I just call it the Bible.

Stunning site...interned with them for a bit a few years ago. Great setup and team.
 
Speaking of Cricinfo, does any other sport have a resource like it? Every statistic from the very beginning of cricket uncontestably organised into a simple but brilliantly organised database available free for public use. Adding the Wisden in means even almanack reports are included.

Football certainly doesn't have anything like that. Do any of the American sports?

I just call it the Bible.

Yeah it is great.
 
Star Sports had regular programming of cricket classics in 90s when they showed 70s and 80s stuff. Was awesome to watch someone like Viv Richards just flaw the bowling about in his usual arrogant manner.

I think the current generation would feel the same about 90s, watching likes of Sachin, Warne, McGrath and Lara at their pomp. I am not sure what will happen from now on though. No quality spinner about, no batting talent coming up that measure up to Sachin/Lara. Only good thing is perhaps fast bowlers like Steyn but then you have so few tests between top nations where he can bowl a classic spell.
 
I've long felt cricket would eventually turn into a purely subcontinental game (and this was long before the IPL was even an apple in Narendra Modi's eye). International cricket would slowly give way to domestic. I now feel it's almost inevitable given where the money is heading.

But thats enough philosophising. I'm going to spend a half-hour on my write-up and put it in. I'm up against DE tomorrow. Its a Friday evening and I want to get out of work early.
 
Poor old Lalit...didn't deserve that.

I was wondering what he was up to nowadays. Google him and one of the top results is his website lalitmodi.com

Lalit Modi.com is a place where you will find background details about Lalit Modi's stellar career and in his own words, candid thoughts and opinions are ...

The site's exactly what you'd expect from the man. I'd never seen it before and yet I knew precisely what it would look like and say. There's a bombastic semi-professional video on the front page detailing his incredible achievements and loudly proclaiming his innocence (bunch of celebrity montages included).
 
Crappy's middle order is awesome. Nice mix. I'm going with Crappy here.