Redafe Champions League Draft - Stob v Thisistheone

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics, balance & bench strength?


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Theon

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Team Stobzilla​

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Team Thisistheone​
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Tactics and how the game will be won

A case of individuals over the collective
Stobz team has too many similar players. Too many attack minded players. What happens when Totti drops deep and gets in the way of Mata or Gerard or Veron or Henry? All these players are individuals, they become ineffective because they're not a team. These stars lack the ability to make sacrifices for the greater good of the side. Even Brazil 1970 had players capable of sacrifice in Gerson and Clodoaldo.

Stobz’s team only potentially has one in van Bommel, who lacks the pace and discipline. Too much weight will be placed on his shoulders. The lack of pace will leave this team exposed and very open. It's going to be quite easy for Essien or Dani Alves to by-pass van Bommel or Mata - it would be similar to the way Utd's Rafael and Valencia used the right side to expose Chelsea at Stamford Bridge knowing that with Mata, Hazard and Oscar, Chelsea didn't have the players tracking back. Stobzillas side has even less balance & graft than that so will be exposed onan even greater scale, all over the pitch, and against better players.

A match-up that suits me
There’s no denying the attacking prowess of Stobzilla’s team, which is why it’s lucky to have so much pedigree, power and knowhow in the defence/DMs. If anyone can neutralise his fantastic range of creative midfielders, it’s the dynamic and aggressive tacking of a young Essien with the experience and reading of the game you get from Sousa. Sousa’s main role will be to break up play along with Essien and distribute it sensibly and economically to the wide players cutting inside, or to Rui Costa, whose range of passing is as good as anyone. He was selected as a 3rd round pick as he is such a key element of the game plan.

Rooney, of course, also offers a lot more solidity down the left hand side, he can track back as well as join in with Ronaldo as a withdrawn forward when the game wears on and we inevitably begin to dominate possession against Stobzilla’s overly individualistic midfield.

Veron, Totti, Gerrard, Mata, Mijatovic – there’s barely a defensive, economical player in there, and most of them occupy the same areas of the pitch. At his peak Gerrard was hugely rounded, but that was with teams built around him - all these players need a team built around them, very few of them would sacrifice themselves for an overall performance. Van Bommel (if included) doesn’t really change that. Yes, he would break up attacks, but he can’t do it all himself, would doubtless end up chasing the game and giving away countless free kicks – at his peak this was still definitely a big part of his game.

Lack of pace
Also applies to the back 4 not just midfield. Di Maria, Rooney and Ronaldo are all too quick for the likes of Hyypia and Mihailjovic. A case of the pace & power of Dani Alves, Di Maria, Ronaldo, Grosso, Desailly, Essien, Rooney against the slow, basically non-mobile side of van Bommel, Hyypia, Neville, Veron, Mihailjovic, Totti. Exposed to the counter attack.

Rui Costa’s balance and unlocking of defences, Dribbling ability, running past the slow van Bommel and the non defensive Veron, supported by Ronaldo, Rooney, Di Maria and Essien, Sousa - When you have this balance in midfield, providing a platform for the mercurial Rui Costa, Vs a highly un-balanced side, it can really start to open doors, with the best striker in the draft in Ronaldo, ready to take opportunities.

In Mihajlovic and Neville there’s a clear lack of pace. Those flanks are very get-attable, particularly with no support whatsoever from wide midfield. With our wide forwards drifting and switching wings, Ronaldo dropping into the channels, Sinisa could easily be sent off by half time.

Discipline
In Mijhilovic and van Bommel there's a real nasty streak, two villains. Two cowards. Likely to get sent off or commit a silly foul. Di Maria loves the professional fall: Winning free kicks or penalties for the likes of Rui Costa to curl home or Ronaldo to put away. Di Maria offers the team width, fluidity and great balance (when he chooses to use it) capable of being a forward or a winger, direct dribbler or trickster, Seeing how often tight matches are decided by a penalty or free kick, it's worth having Di Maria run at the likes of Hyypia, van Bommel or Mijhilovic.

Width
Offered by Dani Alves and Grosso. Both attacking full backs. Alves the best attacking fullback in the world for 5 years, absolutely key to Barca.

Henry up against his French team-mates
Desailly in his pomp would be too strong and powerful for Henry with Blanc sweeping and anticipating if he does get past Marcel.

Extra graft & team-work
Dani Alves and Essien's endurance. Essien and Rooney's graft. These can go unnoticed but make all the difference on the field.

World Cup/Euro-winning defensive axis
Blanc-Desailly-Barthez. 300 Caps between them.

Solidity and dynamism in midfield
Sousa – Essien perfect combination: A deep lying, ball playing midfielder next to the energy and box to box capabilities of Essien (the lungs of the side) like a better version of the Carrick-Fletcher combo in 2009.

Ronaldo
And as much as anyone in the whole draft, Ronaldo will win you a game on his own. Picking it up from deep and running at people, drifting wide, leading the line and getting in behind defences, in 96/97 he was unplayable. Stam is a top centre half, but Hyypia, as reliable and solid as he was, would have no answer to Ronaldo’s pace and trickery.

There’s not as much individual flair as Stobzilla’s team, but there seems to have been little thought as to how these players compliment each other. This team is built with the mindset of maximising the qualities of our key players – namely Ronaldo and Rui Costa – whilst going a long way towards nullifying his. While Veron, Gerrard, Totti are all constantly attempting defence splitting passes, we’d have 60%+ of possession and gradually begin to dominate.
 
Fabian Barthez (France 87 Caps)
The maverick goalkeeper - who won everything in the game - actually finds himself with a bit of a negative reputation, unfairly judged on some bad games for Utd. But when Barthez was in his prime he was a world class keeper. He shares the record for the most World Cup finals clean sheets with Peter Shilton, with 10. This is the important bit to remember: When it came down to the big games, the knock-out tournaments, he NEVER let his side down. Crucially in this draft he again lines up alongside his country-men Laurent Blanc & Marcel Desailly, re-uniting the incredibly successful triangle that won a back-to-back World Cup and European Championships. A superb shot-stopper, Barthez-Blanc-Desailly is the best & most proven axis in the whole draft with 300 International caps between them.
Honours: World Cup 1998, Euro 2000, Champions League 1993, Premier League 2000-01 and 2002-03,European Footballer of the Year Best Goalkeeper: 1998 and 2000, Most World Cup clean sheets: 10

Marcel Desailly (France 116 caps, 3 goals)
One of the best players of the last 20 years. A colossus at the back or in midfield. Desailly’s game had it all - Pace, Power, intelligence and desire. He won basically everything there was to win in the game. A Champions League title with two different clubs. Only 3 other players have achieved this, one of which is his team-mate here; Paulo Sousa. Desailly’s physical presence & pace was ideally suited next to the great anticipation & technical skills of Laurent Blanc. Named in Premier League team of the decade.

Laurent Blanc (France 97 caps 16 goals)
Amazingly, Blanc scored 134 goals in his club career. One of the most dangerous players around from set plays. At 6’4’’ he was dominant in the air but also extremely comfortable on the ball, possessing the technique of a playmaker. He specialized in making those around him calm and collected. Blanc could read the game brilliantly, was intelligent & had a masterful grasp of tactics which proved crucial as games unfolded.

Dani Alves (Brazil 68 caps, 5 goals)
The best right back in the world for the last 5 or 6 years, Dani Alves offers the team an extra man in attack with his incredible engine, getting up and down the right flank all day long. He will provide width for the team and an over-lap if Di Maria wishes to cut inside. Incredibly quick, he’s also brilliant on the ball, as we seen in the Champions League with some of his through balls and various other assists. Cristiano Ronaldo said of him: "I usually don't have a problem with defenders when it comes to outracing them, but when playing a match against Barcelona it happens to be complicated with Daniel Alves"

Fabio Grosso (Italy 48 caps 4 goals)
The Italian left back is of course famous for scoring a stunning goal against Germany in the World Cup semi-final, the winning penalty in the World Cup final and also his Marco Tardelli-like celebration. Grosso began his career as a left winger until he was converted to left back when he was 24. Once that happened he soon got his first cap after catching Marcelo Lippi’s eye with some brilliant performances at Palermo. A fast, intelligent player, with good stamina, Grosso can get up and down the left flank for his team all day, offering width and supplying crosses for the forwards, or linking up with Rooney like Evra did in 2006-2009.

Paulo Sousa (Portugal 51 caps 6 goals)
An integral part of the “Golden Generation” that came out of Portugal in the early 1990’s, Sousa spent his best days in Serie A at a time when it was the strongest league in the world. Sousa's greatest skill was doing the unselfish things required to win a game. For every goal or clever pass, there were a dozen other little things that went unnoticed but were vital. One of Europe’s best midfielders during the mid to late 90’s. Successful at the highest level in the Champions League, Winning it twice; with Dortmund and Juventus. He was an excellent reader of the game, able to play the role of defensive midfielder while possessing superb technical ability. Similar to Michael Carrick in that he was a deep lying, ball playing midfielder. A team-player, the type to make those around him stand out even more. A vital component in any successful side. His connection with country-man Rui Costa will be a big plus for the side. With Essien next to him, he will have the perfect complimentary team-mate.

Michael Essien (Ghana 52 caps 9 goals)
The ultimate box-to-box midfielder & the sides engine room. Essien’s energy, power and abrasive ability will allow him the freedom to protect and support playmakerRui Costa while Paulo Sousa assists the defence and directs the distribution. Essien is like having an extra man in the middle - One minute putting fires out in defence and the next supporting the likes of Rui Costa & Ronaldo in attack. Before his injury nightmare he was probably the most complete midfielder in the world. As Utd fans, our first taster came in the Champions League against Lyon when he gave Roy Keane and the rest of our side hell for 90 minutes. The way Utd missed Fletcher in the 2009 CL final would be similar if this side lost Essien.

Manuel Rui Costa (Portugal 94 caps 26 goals) II Maestro
The team’s play-maker. One of my favourite players growing up, Rui Costa put the fantasy into football. Incredible vision and execution of the pass, he was simply a brilliant footballer. But to use him properly, the platform for him to best operate needs to be present, which he certainly gets from Paulo Sousa & Essien. Even The incredible work-rate of Rooney favours him. He’ll be able to unlock the tightest of defences as he proved through-out his career, mainly with Fiorentina, and link up beautifully with Ronaldo, Rooney & Di Maria. From the back four, with Sousa, Essien & Rui Costa, the balance in the team and the link from defence through the midfield and forwards is finely tuned.


Not great quality but you watch it and you can’t help but actually miss him. We’ll never see another Rui Costa.
– enjoy the music

Wayne Rooney (England 83 caps 36 goals)
Potentially Utd’s all time top scorer and possibly England’s, Rooney is the biggest natural talent these shores have produced in decades. Transfer request or no transfer request, he is still one of the world’s best forwards and has been absolutely vital to Utd’s recent success, whether out left or as a 9 or a 10. So much so that the greatest club manager of all time chose to keep him at the club in 2010 and offer him a bumper new deal. What Ferguson knew was that apart from his obvious footballing talents, Rooney is also an incredibly selfless player on the field. Noted for chasing back lost causes and popping up all over the pitch, Rooney is almost like having an extra team-mate on your side. He’ll sacrifice himself for the good of the team as he did so often when Ronaldo was here by playing on the left during one of the most successful spells in Utd history.
– Doing damage from the left
- at 6.15 cutting in from the left

Ronaldo (Brazil 104 caps 67 goals)
Possibly the most complete striker not just in this Champions League era, but of all time. The original Ronaldo was the most electrifying, energetic phenomenon we’ll see in our lifetimes. The complete centre forward. When writing this description, I had to sit back and think, what really made him so good? He was the perfect mixture of power and grace, and had an extra second of time over anyone else. In his pomp as close to unstoppable as you could wish to see. He could score with either foot, burst past the quickest of defenders , dribble past the most intelligent or brush off the most aggressive of opponents. And of course, he was the ultimate big game player (ignoring the bizarre circumstances of France ’98) he scored in the 2002 World Cup Semi-Final & Final & in both UEFA cup finals for Barca and Inter.
All this despite being ravaged by injury during his prime... What could have been?

Ángel di Mária (Argentina 39 caps 8 goals)
Capable of moments of magic, direct running, dribbling inside or out wide, Di Maria brings a lot of different options & variety to the team. He is a modern day forward/winger who is versatile, able to switch flanks or play through the middle. Not a prolific scorer but most likely to create chances for his team-mates with nearly 80 assists in 6 seasons since moving to Europe. Excellent technique, agility, flair and pace. Can provide width for the side.
 
Cheers Theon.

Forgot to add, on the bench is Simao who offers an alternative to Rooney or a change in formation.
 
Nae bother mate, good write up.

That centre back partnership is the best we have seen so far, absolutely world class at their peak and totally complimentary.
 
Why Fergus?

Di Maria always plays there for Madrid and Rooney played there when we were the best side in Europe
 
I'd want Rooney to be able to cut in as he pleases, I think Dani Alves is absolutely perfect to allow him to do so, Grosso would probably work but not as well IMO.
 
Rooney can cut in where he is, onto his right foot. Of course, him & Di Maria are flexible enough & can move around.
 
This is actually close IMO, suspect that il end up voting for Tito on the basis that Ronaldo is my favourite player on the pitch and the most dangerous.

Blanc/Desailly is great but they need to be with full backs like that, and the midfield isn't the most secure either IMO so defensively Tito could be better. Henry and Totti does look dangerous and they could have some luck with only Essien (box to box at best) and Sousa (deep playmaker) covering the CBs.
 
My midfield is surely a lot more secure than his? Sousa and Essien protecting the back 4 compared to van Bommel on his own?
 
Tito's midfield is way, way more balanced. Stobz has 4 creative attacking midfielders and one dirty bugger. Tito's got dynamism, aggression, a range of passing and creativity. Essien and Sousa give you a lot of solidity.
 
Mata, Totti, Gerrard and Veron in the same team a little to much.

Rui Costa, one of my favourite players ever. And TITO has a nice mix. Good team.
 
My midfield is surely a lot more secure than his? Sousa and Essien protecting the back 4 compared to van Bommel on his own?

Yeah, just trying to make it interesting!

This is a landslide... Don't think Stob deserves this but there was only one winner really.
 
I'd want Rooney to be able to cut in as he pleases, I think Dani Alves is absolutely perfect to allow him to do so, Grosso would probably work but not as well IMO.

I agree with this, fair point. Good win Tito.
 
Cheers all. Ronaldo helped himself to a hat-trick in his quest to be tournament top scorer

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