Reality-Monopoly Draft - R1: NM vs P-Nut

With players at peak, who will win this match?

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Edgar Allan Pillow

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TEAM NM

Line Up:
GK: Diego Lopez – Solid goalkeeper, a staple for Villarreal in the past. Came through the Real Madrid youth ranks and represented them for a season too.
RB: Dani Alves – Doesn’t need an intro. One of the best (imo) modern right backs.
CB: Fabio Cannavaro – One of only 3 defenders (along with the Kaizer and Sammer) to win the Ballon D’or. We know how good he is.
CB: Karlheinz Forster – Regarded as one of the top markers in the world at his peak. European cup winner too.
LB: Giovanni van Brockhorst – Solid LB. Played for Arsenal and Barca. He can do a good defensive job and provide support if needed
CM: Paul Scholes – We are on a United forum. Nothing further to be said.
CM: Duncan Edwards – See above. I can add quotes and stories for those who need them, but again, everybody on here should know who he is and how great he was.
AM: Gianni Rivera – Ballon D’or Winner. One of Milan and Italy’s greatest players, and considered amongst the greatest AMs (and arguably Italy’s greatest AM). Brilliant intelligence and a true football technician.
RW: Kurt Hamrin – Still the 8th highest goalscorer in Serie A. Incrdibly quick and a great dribbler, with an eye for goal.
LW: Franck Ribery – One of the best wingers of the past 10 years. He prefers to play on the left, and I probably top 5 (or better) in that position in the past 10 years
ST: John Charles – Il Gigante Buono – The gentle giant. In Juventus’ own words (via their website): Devastating is the adjective that springs to mind when you recall the power of Welsh international John Charles. Charles was the greatest - and not only in terms of stature - centre forward in Juventus history. He was one of the only world class players to be world class in two completely different positions. Center forward and center back. He would have scored even more goals, (but from what I hear and read, he used to move to CB after Juve went ahead).


Subs:
1. Emlyn Hughes: Can play CM, CB and LB. Great Liverpool player
2. Leroy Sane: Will not play
3. Ronald Koeman: Great ball playing CB, can also do a job as DM

Tactics:
Defense: He has a great set of attackers – my focus is on containing them. There’s only one ball on the pitch, and Ronnie, Neymar and Sanchez will all want it. Alves will be responsible for containing Ronnie, but we know he will bomb forward when I have the ball. Will Ronnie follow him? I doubt it.
Cannavaro and Forster are greats in their position. They can neutralize attacks when Ronnie/Neymar/Sanchez cut it. Forster is a renowned marker and Cannavaro is a legend.

Midfield: Edwards in the box to box role, and Scholes as the person who will control the game. Scholes thrived with Keane next to him, and having a better player will make it even easier. Add the intelligence of Rivera to that midfield, and I think we will run it. The opposing midfield has a lot of toughness, but quite honestly, mine has both the hardness and the skill. Scholes, Edwards and Rivera is simply better than any 3 way combination of Hierro/Ince/Van Bommel/Effenberg. This is where I’ll win the game.

Attack: An old fashioned CF, two great wingers and midfielders who will run into the box is my ideal attack – and that’s what I have here. Scholes and Rivera to pull the strings, while Ribery and Hamrin use wing-play. One in the box when the other has the ball etc. Charles will be the fulcrum. He can keep the ball or set others up, and will dominate in the air.

Why I’ll win:
  • This is a United forum. I have Scholes and Duncan Edwards FFS
  • I’ll control the midfield
  • My center backs are great – it’s one of the better pairings to keep his attack at bay
  • My attack is deceptive – Juve’s best forward, Serie A’s 7th highest scorer, and a modern wing great. They are supported by one of the greatest AMs of all time and Scholes in midfield. As a group, they will function brilliantly.
Good luck P-Nut


TEAM P-NUT

Formation 3313

DDG
Azpilicueta - Bonucci - Heinze
Effenberg - Hierro - Van Bommel
Ronaldinho
Neymar - Lineker - Sanchez

Tactics

Tempo: Fast
Defensive Line: High
Pressing: Own Half
Style: Counter Attack

I've built a free flowing team that revolves around the brilliance of Ronaldinho. It's extremely fluid with lots of changing of positions throughout the game.

Defence

Azpilicueta and Heinze are both comfortable defending out wide or in cb positions. Bonucci is excellent and excelled at organising a 3 man back line

Midfield

Effenberg and Van Bommel use their stamina and work rate to cover the wide areas of midfield whilst adding steel to the middle. Hierro dictates play and ensures a rock solid core to the team.

Ronaldinho is free completely to work his magic. Options everywhere around him.

Attack

Neymar and Sanchez will constantly switch wings. If Ronaldinho drifts wide one of them will take up the space he's freed up.

Lineker stays on the last line of defence and pushes the defenders back.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Yeah, but with that back 3, he needs to be in the defence.
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The back three is round pegs in round holes.

Hierro has never played in a back three or either of the full back positions. Similarly Bonucci is more adept in the middle of a back three organising it.

Azpilicueta is a top notch defender who just won't offer much going forward. Bonucci is arguably the best centre back around at the moment (especially playing in a back three) and Heinze is forced upon me
 
P-Nut0712 said:
The back three is round pegs in round holes.

Hierro has never played in a back three or either of the full back positions. Similarly Bonucci is more adept in the middle of a back three organising it.

Azpilicueta is a top notch defender who just won't offer much going forward. Bonucci is arguably the best centre back around at the moment (especially playing in a back three) and Heinze is forced upon me
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It really isn't. I think your formation gives me an edge here. Playing as a 3 with minimal wing support (Neymar and Sanchez aren't tracking back) while playing Ronnie in the center is a mistake IMO.

I think this gives free reign to Hamrin and Ribery to wreak absolute havoc.. I'd fancy my chances more here.

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I think Conte made it a bit easier for him with Azpi last season.
But since its a 3 man midfield all of whom are very hard working, I would imagine they would transition to a 4-2-3-1 when they lose the ball.
 
NM said:
Thoughts on my team folks?
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From first sight it's well balanced team. I really like your defence and attack. The only question mark is how Scholes/Rivera will work together, but apart from that it's pretty sound all over.

Scholes running the game might restrict Rivera's game a bit and he himself would usually be the main playmaker in the side.
 
NM said:
Thoughts on my team folks?
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More balanced obviously, but I won't count on that defence+MF against his attack.
This would be a high scoring match I guess. I would have liked your team more with a 4-3-3 instead of a 4-2-3-1.
Scholes and Edwards would need to have blinders especially with his 3 hard working MFs and Ronaldinho in the centre.
 
Could have had a hierro/koeman face off over who is likelier to score imo. Disappointing
 
NM said:
Thoughts on my team folks?
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I like the variety of service you'll get from out wide to service Charles. Ribery and Hamrin will most likely be busiest in the inside-left/right channels, but Alves - with his athleticism - and Van Bronckhorst - with his left peg - provide effective width.

For P-Nut, the most obvious issue is the absence of a big brute to get a handle on Charles. Well there is one but he is in midfield.
 
NM said:
It really isn't. I think your formation gives me an edge here. Playing as a 3 with minimal wing support (Neymar and Sanchez aren't tracking back) while playing Ronnie in the center is a mistake IMO.

I think this gives free reign to Hamrin and Ribery to wreak absolute havoc.. I'd fancy my chances more here.

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I was literally only talking about my defence not how they match up to your team.

Heinze more than comfortable defending those left channels.
Bonucci adept at organising a back three.
Azpi again more than comfortable defending the middle and out wide.

As for how it matches up I'm quite pleased with it.

Crosses into the box are going to be your main weapon and with three defenders in and around that area I can have Bonucci just in front with one of the 2 side centre backs pressing tight behind. Makes it much harder to get a scoring header in.

EDIT: And yeah I've voted myself
 
P-Nut0712 said:
The back three is round pegs in round holes.

Hierro has never played in a back three or either of the full back positions. Similarly Bonucci is more adept in the middle of a back three organising it.

Azpilicueta is a top notch defender who just won't offer much going forward. Bonucci is arguably the best centre back around at the moment (especially playing in a back three) and Heinze is forced upon me
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Your team is intriguing as usual. I'm just curious to know if your team is in line with your initial plan.

Sorry for Heinze once again. You have asked for a defender. I should have ignored your request and submitted Weah.

NM said:
Thoughts on my team folks?
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You have a brilliant team. Consistent strategy and flawless tactical system. I don't see any conflicts of interest between Scholes & Rivera.
 
It's not Hierro who is out of position at DM it's van Bommel at LCM. Ince would have been a much better choice for that role
 
It actually is Van Gaal's Ajax. The same DM/libero center, more fullbacks than side center backs, van Bommel/Effenberg are a bit negative and Neymar/Sanchez are a bit too central-oriented, but I finally understood how it is supposed to work.
 
harms said:
It actually is Van Gaal's Ajax. The same DM/libero center, more fullbacks than side center backs, van Bommel/Effenberg are a bit negative and Neymar/Sanchez are a bit too central-oriented, but I finally understood how it is supposed to work.
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Ah that makes a lot of sense.

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@Ecstatic no I had to change it up slightly from my original plan. I was aiming for a WM but messed up with my Ince pick and drafting players I liked more than what fit the system. Got to my last pick and realised I was screwed.

@harms yeah I ended up going 3313 and having Ronaldinho run the show basically.

Van Bommel and Effenberg are more defensive than Van Gaal Ajax simply due to the inferior defenders needing extra cover and the quality of NMs full back and winger combos.
 
NM said:
Thoughts on my team folks?
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With Charles, Scholes, Rivera and Edwards in, I'm finding it hard not to go all gooey and just vote for you straightaway. Forcing myself to wait, read discussions, be informed, blah blah....

I do wonder though whether another MFer would help to front up against (what is a tough looking) opposition MF... though that'd probably mean dropping Scholes or Rivera?
 
@P-Nut0712

I'm not a fan of wide forwards without proper LCM and RCM or attacking full backs to help them out. Dinho will obviously help but won't solve the width problem.
 
Physiocrat said:
@P-Nut0712

I'm not a fan of wide forwards without proper LCM and RCM or attacking full backs to help them out. Dinho will obviously help but won't solve the width problem.
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Width is mainly a problem when playing possession football.

Playing on the counter I expect to focus on the quick transitions. Having Neymar or Sanchez driving at their fullback from out wide coming inside.

What I'm getting at is I'm not expecting to have him pinned back and needing to stretch the pitch to find gaps.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
Width is mainly a problem when playing possession football.

Playing on the counter I expect to focus on the quick transitions. Having Neymar or Sanchez driving at their fullback from out wide coming inside.

What I'm getting at is I'm not expecting to have him pinned back and needing to stretch the pitch to find gaps.
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That makes more sense than I initially thought but having players that can pull the CBs outwide on the counter is useful to carve up the opposition.
 
NM said:
Thoughts on my team folks?
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I blindly voted for Rivera throughout the tactical draft. Ask @Skizzo . And on top of that you have Scholes, Edwards and Cannavaro :drool:

@P-Nut0712 team is interesting but.. can a high pressing system be implemented successfully with that front four. Also, you have van Bommel and Effenberg moving horizontally in defensive transitions. Wouldn't that create gaps in high press which NM's midfield will exploit?

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Defensive Line: High
Pressing: Own Half
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BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
With Charles, Scholes, Rivera and Edwards in, I'm finding it hard not to go all gooey and just vote for you straightaway. Forcing myself to wait, read discussions, be informed, blah blah....

I do wonder though whether another MFer would help to front up against (what is a tough looking) opposition MF... though that'd probably mean dropping Scholes or Rivera?
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Correct. I thought about playing Hughes / Koeman and playing 4-3-3, but I prefer Rivera. He's too good to drop
 
SirMattBugsby said:
I blindly voted for Rivera throughout the tactical draft. Ask @Skizzo . And on top of that you have Scholes, Edwards and Cannavaro :drool:

@P-Nut0712 team is interesting but.. can a high pressing system be implemented successfully with that front four. Also, you have van Bommel and Effenberg moving horizontally in defensive transitions. Wouldn't that create gaps in high press which NM's midfield will exploit?
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Ronnie and Neymar don't press. Therefore no IMO.
 
SirMattBugsby said:
I blindly voted for Rivera throughout the tactical draft. Ask @Skizzo . And on top of that you have Scholes, Edwards and Cannavaro :drool:

@P-Nut0712 team is interesting but.. can a high pressing system be implemented successfully with that front four. Also, you have van Bommel and Effenberg moving horizontally in defensive transitions. Wouldn't that create gaps in high press which NM's midfield will exploit?
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I won't be pressing high. I want a high line that fully presses once reaching my own half. That will likely consist of Sanchez from the attackers and then my back 6 plus keeper.

I will leave my other 3 up top ready to play quick counter attackers
 
This is an interesting tactical match. What I keep coming back to though is that 3313 was used by Van Gaal and Bielsa as an inherently attacking formation. The three banks of 3 is efficient at equally distributing the space of the whole pitch between the 9 players and works well as a basis for moving as a unit. So it works with a possession game like Van Gaal or in a high intensity counter press attack like Bielsa because of the general positioning of players in possession and transition.
I'm not sure its a solid basis for counter-attacking here though. Bonucci doesn't seem the right person to be marking Charles.

I'd prefer an inside forward in front of Alves though. Hamrin-Alves seem a little wing overkill.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I'd prefer an inside forward in front of Alves though. Hamrin-Alves seem a little wing overkill.
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From what I've seen of him he is a brilliant fit. More than 1 in 2 for Fiorentina and national team, 110 goals over 4 seasons at his peak
 
harms said:
From what I've seen of him he is a brilliant fit. More than 1 in 2 for Fiorentina and national team, 110 goals over 4 seasons at his peak
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That's a good point. I always intended to try to watch more of those sides after Annah's efforts in highlighting them but never enough time
 
As usual, kudos @P-Nut0712 for having tried something that stimulates your imaginatin even if you knew you were fighting a losing battle.

That is why, I haven't voted.
 
Ecstatic said:
As usual, kudos @P-Nut0712 for having tried something that stimulates your imaginatin even if you knew you were fighting a losing battle.

That is why, I haven't voted.
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To be honest I said to anto halfway through after getting my first win last time out I wasn't too bothered about winning this one and just wanted to build the craziest team I could, but that would still have a tactic and a way of winning.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
To be honest I said to anto halfway through after getting my first win last time out I wasn't too bothered about winning this one and just wanted to build the craziest team I could, but that would still have a tactic and a way of winning.
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In the South-America draft, I have chosen the defensive players and you the offensive ones.

I failed to dissuade you from building the following front 3 comprised of Tevez-Alexis Sanchez (once again)-Forlan because... your answer was "I'm not too bothered about winning." :wenger:

We built a kind of 3-4-3 with a missing link.
 
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