Reality-Monopoly Draft - R1: Moby vs 2mufc0

With players at peak, who will win this match?

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...................................... TEAM MOBY ......................................................................................... TEAM 2mufc0 ......................................

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Team Moby:

Subs: Juan Carlos Valeron, Arjen Robben, Didier Drogba

Ideology
The team is playing a 5-3-2 formation, with a compact and rocksolid foundation at the back marshalled by a incredibly dominating set of midfielders and an array of geniuses in attack to bring it all to fruition. We will be allowing the three offensive stalwarts entire freedom of the creation and buildup in the final third of the pitch while exerting discipline and control in the other 66% of the area.

Defense​

  • The back five is protected by one of the greatest keepers of all time - Sepp Maier. A commanding presence at the back, excellent communication and organisation that would be the first building block for this brick wall of a defense.
  • At sweeper is Manuel Sanchis, the Real Madrid legend, providing his presence as the covering defender behind the two CBs, excellent reading of the game and anticipation and the ability to join the build up as the extra man in attack contributing through his offensive runs.
  • The first ever World Cup winning captain, and a man of steel, José Nasazzi takes up the right centre back spot, being fully capable of playing in the middle or out wide, no stranger of having his hands full against heavy opposition and closing the door behind him.
  • Adding to the toughness and steel is our very own Serbian beast, Nemanja Vidic. Again, absolutely at home as the stopper in this setup, he brings the hard tackling, no nonsense physicality and aerial ability of the very highest order.
  • The critical position of the wing backs, and on the left is the pioneering left flank god - Nilton Santos. The Encyclopaedia, a world class defender as well as an incredible threat going forward, who'd happily lift the entire flank on his shoulder here on both ends.
  • Similarly, a tireless, lightning quick and technically brilliant presence on the right flank - the flying Dutchman - Wim Suurbier. A vital cog of the total football domination of Ajax and Netherlands in the 70s providing a Dani Alves-esque presence on the right with his constant attacking forays and pin point passing and delivery. He'd be at home providing width in this setup while having Nasazzi with absolutely no difficulty in covering the space behind him.

Midfield​

  • There's no shortage of immense character and leadership in this team, presenting the man in the middle - Roy Keane. No introductions needed, the man you'd take with you going into a war, mentally invincible and physically imposing his will on the pitch, he'd be commanding the midfield on both ends as he did spectacularly with us.
  • Partnering Keane is the Italian juggernaut who was at the heart of the Italian and Juventus success of the 80s - Marco Tardelli. Endless reserves of stamina, tenacity and the heart of a lion, with him on the pitch we'll always have the upper hand in the midfield battle, not to mention his courageous efforts going forward that have brought some of the iconic moments in the sport.
  • A foundation that robust and combative needs an elite creative genius to round it all off, and who better than the "Maradona of the Sixties" - Omar Sivori. A highly inventive footballer, blessed with the technical skills, dribbling and trickery of a magician, packing it all in an explosive burst of acceleration that dazzled the crowds in Italy at his prime. Unstoppable on the dribble and just as capable of carving open a defense with his defense splitting passes, he will be absolutely delighted being handed the centre stage and steering the ship, dictating the game from midfield and linking up the midfield and attack.

Offense​

  • The front two combine two incredibly complete, intelligent and unpredictable footballers the game has seen. To start with, the roaming support striker is the Italian and Inter loyal legend Alessandro "Sandro" Mazzola. Spending his entire career in teams led by their defenses with heavy creative and scoring duties, Mazzola was the man to carry the team on his shoulders making key contributions game after game, year after year. In addition to his versatility, pitch coverage, multi faceted offensive power and skill he was no stranger to getting his name on the scoresheet when it mattered the most, including goals in multiple European Cup Finals.
  • Round off the team, is the "Mozart of Football" - Matthias Sindelar. Incredible in and around the goal, capable of scoring from any angle or position in a variety of ways, Sindelar was a nightmare for keepers and defenders, combining tireless dribbling runs from deep, an eye of a hawk with elite awareness to link everyone around him and striking the ball with absolute ferocity. With the platform behind him, the width outwide and two incredible intelligent and silky smooth footballers around him, he will be in his element here, bringing both his creative and scoring prowess to the fore.


Team 2mufc0:

Formation 4-3-3.

Defensively I have 2 of the best central defenders of all time in Thuram and Hansen, supported by Paul Janes at right back rated as one of the best German defenders of all time, you can read more about him here:

https://impromptuinc.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/paul-janes/

At left back is Amedeo Carboni an athletic hard working fullback able to attack as well as defend well, he was a mainstay of the great Valencia 2001-2004 side which won La Liga twice and the UEFA cup winners cup. In goal is the ever reliable Petr Cech, capable of making consistent game winning saves.

In front of the defence i have Gerson, defensively astutue but also able to control the game from deep and run the show. In front of him will be Davids and Flacao in box to box roles, these two will provide defensive solidity aswell as fantastic service for the front three.

Upfront will be Zlatan, who at the peak of his powers was the ultimate all round striker, quick, strong, great passer, skillful, fantastic in the air and a great goal scorer. He will be supported by Lato and Keizer who can come centrally and combine with him or go wide and the get the crosses into him. Zlatan would also combine well with Davids and Falcao with their runs into the box. I believe this system will get the best out of Zlatan and due to his skillset the perfect striker for this role.
 
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  • What is the point of Sanchis here?
  • How is that front three supposed to work?
  • Why Gerson and Falcao?
  • Why Davids is the furtherest of all three midfielders?
  • Why is Thuram on the left?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Not really sure on Moby's front 3. Can't see them being complimentary.
Gerson and Falcao seems a overkill and not really a sturdy midfield. Thuram on left is just weird.
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Gerson, Falcao and Davids is much more solid than Gerson and Clodoaldo. My main concern is Thuram on the left and the lack proper attacking wingbacks to allow Kiezer and Lato to cut in. Aldo's front three do seem rather similar - I bet Theon loves it.
 
Just a thought - could've gone with something like maybe this in a reconfigured 523 since Sívori is a bit out of his comfort zone as a nominal attacking midfielder:

Sindelaar as the receding forward (nominal position)
Sívori as the inside left (nominal position)
Mazzola as the inside right (nominal position)

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Looks more cogent at face value.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Not really sure on Moby's front 3. Can't see them being complimentary.
Gerson and Falcao seems a overkill and not really a sturdy midfield. Thuram on left is just weird.
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Wasnt falcao more of a box to box mid while gerson more of a deep lying playmaker later on? I can see the two working well together.
 
Invictus said:
Just a thought - could've gone with something like maybe this in a reconfigured 523 since Sívori is a bit out of his comfort zone as a nominal attacking midfielder:

Sindelaar as the receding forward (nominal position)
Sívori as the inside left (nominal position)
Mazzola as the inside right (nominal position)

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Looks more cogent at face value.
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That makes a lot more sense
 
Gerson/Falcao/Davids is pretty excellent midfield. Falcao played alongside playmakers like Zico and Socrates so I doubt there will be issue with him playing alongside Gerson. It's a classic midfield with 2 box to box players and DLP.

On other notes - Thuram has to be on the right, just irks you seeing him as LCB.

I have little to no knowledge on Janes as a RB. Not sure if he's an attacking RB or a balanced one really, maybe @2mufc0 can shed some light on that.

On Moby side - I'm not sure how his central defence will work tbh. Stylistically and whether they would work well together.


And he has to go with Invictus suggestion here:
Invictus said:
Just a thought - could've gone with something like maybe this in a reconfigured 523 since Sívori is a bit out of his comfort zone as a nominal attacking midfielder:

Sindelaar as the receding forward (nominal position)
Sívori as the inside left (nominal position)
Mazzola as the inside right (nominal position)

Aldo.png


Looks more cogent at face value.
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Makes much more sense.
 
Don't see the issue with Falcão-Gerson myself. Wouldn't be too different to the Di Bartolomei-falcao dynamic for Roma and Davids is a good balancing act there imo. Could have been presented better on the team sheet though.

Not too sold on Sindelar's role here on the other hand and it seems too much is asked of Sanchis on the ball here, as good as he was.
 
Thanks for the comments guys, i played Thuram LCB to help out Carboni with Robben (but Moby didn't play him) with Hansen being slower i wanted Thuram on that side.

As he's not playing am i able to switch them around? @Edgar Allan Pillow
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Evra and Mahrez are probably the two most useless 2mufc0 could have picked for this game.
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It was because of the box i landed in (the Mahrez pick) all the great modern players were picked in that position.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I have little to no knowledge on Janes as a RB. Not sure if he's an attacking RB or a balanced one really, maybe @2mufc0 can shed some light on that.
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He hasn't been used often in drafts, but @Balu wrote about him in a previous draft:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/all-time-fantasy-draft-jakec-v-stobzilla.365779/#post-12931406

More info here:

https://impromptuinc.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/paul-janes/

Highly rated in Germany and going by reports a well rounded footballer.
 
Another option might be:

------------- Sindelar
----- Sivori (support striker role): 176 goals in 341 games
-----------Mazzola (playmaker): 137 goals in 487 games

I am fine with the trio Gerson-Davids-Falcao because Gerson won't be overly exposed. Zlatan as a false 9 could make sense in this configuration.

I see Keizer as a pure winger and Lato likely to combine with Zlatan and join the penalty area.
 
Invictus said:
Just a thought - could've gone with something like maybe this in a reconfigured 523 since Sívori is a bit out of his comfort zone as a nominal attacking midfielder:

Sindelaar as the receding forward (nominal position)
Sívori as the inside left (nominal position)
Mazzola as the inside right (nominal position)

Aldo.png


Looks more cogent at face value.
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I thought this would be his front 3
 
Invictus said:
Just a thought - could've gone with something like maybe this in a reconfigured 523 since Sívori is a bit out of his comfort zone as a nominal attacking midfielder:

Sindelaar as the receding forward (nominal position)
Sívori as the inside left (nominal position)
Mazzola as the inside right (nominal position)

Aldo.png


Looks more cogent at face value.
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Yes, looks better. And no way is Mazzola going to play higher than Sivori, all the other inconveniences aside
 
Ecstatic said:
I am fine with the trio Gerson-Davids-Falcao because Gerson won't be overly exposed. Zlatan as a false 9 could make sense in this configuration.

I see Keizer as a pure winger and Lato likely to combine with Zlatan and join the penalty area.
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The Inter Zlatan is more of what I'm thinking here.

 
Joga Bonito said:
Don't see the issue with Falcão-Gerson myself. Wouldn't be too different to the Di Bartolomei-falcao dynamic for Roma and Davids is a good balancing act there imo. Could have been presented better on the team sheet though.
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That's a good comparison (unlike Zico-Socrates-Cerezo), actually, and makes sense.
 
RedTiger said:
I thought this would be his front 3
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Are there no subs allowed?

I thought 2mufc would have been most vulnerable against this:

------------------------Drogba
-------Sívori-----------------------------Robben

With Nilton and Suurbier free to attack down both flanks given Sanchís as sweeper (but with no silly arrow, he ain't Popescu :p).

Lacks a bit of outball and creative transition, but would rip apart that defence.
 
antohan said:
Are there no subs allowed?

I thought 2mufc would have been most vulnerable against this:

------------------------Drogba
-------Sívori-----------------------------Robben

With Nilton and Suurbier free to attack down both flanks given Sanchís as sweeper (but with no silly arrow, he ain't Popescu :p).

Lacks a bit of outball and creative transition, but would rip apart that defence.
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Don't see how the sweeper position would work against my formation or any modern formation. The position is obsolete for a reason in modern times.
 
2mufc0 said:
Don't see how the sweeper position would work against my formation or any modern formation. The position is obsolete for a reason in modern times.
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It's a third defender covering for the outside ones. How is it obsolete?
 
2mufc0 said:
It says in his description it's a sweeper.
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And? I questioned the arrow as I wouldn't expect anything going forward, but in between the two CBs covering for them he will be absolutely fine. Or do you take sweeper as strictly the guy sweeping up behind a back four? I sure don't, AFAIC it's simply a spare defender with no man-marking duties.
 
antohan said:
And? I questioned the arrow as I wouldn't expect anything going forward, but in between the two CBs covering for them he will be absolutely fine. Or do you take sweeper as strictly the guy sweeping up behind a back four? I sure don't, AFAIC it's simply a spare defender with no man-marking duties.
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We both know what a sweeper is and what Moby meant in his write up, otherwise he would have just described him as the 3rd centre back rather than a sweeper.

But he's not playing a traditional back 3 ala Chelsea last season, his description and arrow shows that. It even says Sanchis will move up and join the attack. This sounds like an old school sweeper to me.
 
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antohan said:
Are there no subs allowed?

I thought 2mufc would have been most vulnerable against this:

------------------------Drogba
-------Sívori-----------------------------Robben

With Nilton and Suurbier free to attack down both flanks given Sanchís as sweeper (but with no silly arrow, he ain't Popescu :p).

Lacks a bit of outball and creative transition, but would rip apart that defence.
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That's exactly the front 3 I told 2mufc0 I thought Moby would play:)
 
2mufc0 said:
We both know what a sweeper is and what Moby meant in his write up, otherwise he would have just described him as the 3rd centre back rather than a sweeper.

But he's not playing a traditional back 3 ala Chelsea last season, his description and arrow shows that. It even says Sanchis will move up and join the attack. This sounds like an old school sweeper to me.
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I don't call that a sweeper. I call that a libero.

And yes, my point was Sanchís staying back would be fine. The instructions aren't those, which is what I questioned.

Funny you are getting all worked up about someone pointing out how @Moby should have approached things.
 
antohan said:
I don't call that a sweeper. I call that a libero.

And yes, my point was Sanchís staying back would be fine. The instructions aren't those, which is what I questioned.

Funny you are getting all worked up about someone pointing out how @Moby should have approached things.
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Not worked up. My original point was regarding how his sweeper position won't work against modern formations. And we've pretty much cleared that up now.
 
antohan said:
I don't call that a sweeper. I call that a libero.

And yes, my point was Sanchís staying back would be fine. The instructions aren't those, which is what I questioned.

Funny you are getting all worked up about someone pointing out how @Moby should have approached things.
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Indeed. Technically sweeper is the extra defender that sweeps behind two center backs or the last man in defence. Libero moves vertically through the lines (defence and midfield).
 
Drogba
---Sivori-Mazzola--Robben
Keane---Tardelli
Nilton-Vidic-Sanchis-Suurbier
Maier
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Would've preferred something like this for Moby (I assume Sanchis has to play?). Love Mazzola to bits and can't drop him, while 5 at the back are overkill against 2mufc.
 
harms said:
Drogba
---Sivori-Mazzola--Robben
Keane---Tardelli
Nilton-Vidic-Sanchis-Suurbier
Maier
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Would've preferred something like this for Moby (I assume Sanchis has to play?). Love Mazzola to bits and can't drop him, while 5 at the back are overkill against 2mufc.
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Would've loved that.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Indeed. Technically sweeper is the extra defender that sweeps behind two center backs or the last man in defence. Libero moves vertically through the lines (defence and midfield).
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It's not as clear cut as that. More of a grading across the scale

Offensive Contribution:

Low <----|---------------------|----------------------|--------------------------|----------------> High
...........Picchi...............Rio/Nesta...........Baresi/Figueroa...........Sammer/Kaizer


Picchi is classic example of sweeper.
Then comes the 'ball playing defender' which overlaps with the libero quite a lot. Rio/Nesta as Ball Players and Sammer/Kaizer as full sweepers, but there is no clear cut definition of where one category ends and other begins...
 
harms said:
Drogba
---Sivori-Mazzola--Robben
Keane---Tardelli
Nilton-Vidic-Sanchis-Suurbier
Maier
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Would've preferred something like this for Moby (I assume Sanchis has to play?). Love Mazzola to bits and can't drop him, while 5 at the back are overkill against 2mufc.
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I may as well spill the beans here as this is way too funny and you are all missing the point here.

While Moby questioned the XI I posted for lacking midfield control he PMd me the teamsheet above as a better 3-5-2. I told him only Tardelli, Nasazzi and Maier would get into mine. He told me none of my players would get into his...

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Seems he got so fixated with it he forgot he was playing an entirely different team.
 
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