Having read an article today Observer ( it reckons only Rio would get anywhere neartheir team )our troubles in the league are pinpricks compared to our standing in Europe ......They are what we dream about , and what we once hoped to emulate ....a dynamic Chairman doing the job part time who believes only in a philosophy of the best footballers and football, and the shirt sales will follow ... We used to be like that too ......well worth a read but havnt the technical skills to post it on here . Frightening how far behind we seem to be in the wider world
That is precisely why I would love a European league right now! I don't want to be watching us playing Bolton, Southampton etc. I would rather see Real, Barca etc instead. We are not here just for also rans to kick, goad, scream and injure us every week. We are not our brother's keeper to that extent. I also think the FA is a useless slef interested set up and the sooner they are out of the equation the better. E.G. How much money would we make with our own TV rights instead of letting the FA and other clubs take their rake-off out of our drawing ability? Stroll on media partners!
Maybe united fans don't want to play in the league anymore.I mean they are such a big club and all.I suppose united would rather play in Spain or Italy.Not even the most successful team in England (LIVERPOOL)would dare to leave England.Make statements like that if yer ever get as successful as them.Setting yourselves up losing the league with excuses I see.
Obviously you are in the minority though since there are no other united fans with a sane mind sticking up for you.
Obviously you are in the minority though since there are no other united fans with a sane mind sticking up for you.
Reading the article brings it home how far off the pace we have fallen ... its nothing to do with leaving the Premership a daft idea .....we should and must however compare ourselves with the Reals of this world that is ourheritage ....as Bolton , City etc are to us we are to Real and I cant see a closing of the gap for a long time to come ......
The trouble with you lot is that you don't think! Why is the Prem such a good idea. Why should it be required that we must play e.g. Bolton and S/hmpton every season. Its repetetive and gets no better in terms of entertainment. Who would you prefer to watch? Del piero and Zidane or the succession of Fred Frindlays that we seem to like to turn out? I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to watch matches like this given the choice ,which I am not. A european league would provide far better quality, entertainment and much more money to our club! Do you have a problem with this? The logic of 'beating bolton first' might as well be to beat West Hartlepool first, but we thankfully don't play them though I'm sure a few on 'ere would want us to. Playing teams like bolton & Southampton benefit only them and not us! I'm fed up with being the league's milch cow and what reward do we get? Screamed at, bitched at, injured, baying for the death penalty etc. etc.
Play where we both deserve and would be credited - which certainly aint the bastards in this country!
Play where we both deserve and would be credited - which certainly aint the bastards in this country!
Originally posted by The Red Machine:
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Once again: what would you have said if Pool, Juventus, Forest, AS Roma, Real Madrid and Company had started their European League in the 80s, without ManUtd?
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Now you want to trade it all in for what? Playing only 15 teams a year (and that would be "more exciting" and "less repetitive"?).
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I agree. A European Super League is not the way to go. Not now, not yesterday, not ever.
Originally posted by The Red Machine:
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None taken.
I've supported UTD for a long time and seen many matches. Thats why I get tired of watching the Boltons, Barnsleys and Bradfords of this world who simply are not of any interest any more. They don't improve and never will. Clubs like us and Arsenal have nothing to prove domestically and the same old mediocre roundabout gets tedious. Liverpool might still have the hang up as they've never won the Prem. but they would still be rightly included in any Euro league as we would have been if it had materialised in the 80's when they were top and we were not. Drawing power and financial clout is what counts whether we like it or not and, unfortuantely for the rest, we have it, win or not!
You take your 'social responsibilities' to the rest if you want I, and others, would prefer to watch us play against the like of Del Piero and Zidane on a regular basis.
You take your 'social responsibilities' to the rest if you want I, and others, would prefer to watch us play against the like of Del Piero and Zidane on a regular basis.
You are a dumb gloryhunting tw@t that didn't know the first thing about football before Sky took over.
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This comment shows how far your head is up your arse!
1. I want to win and get the glory don't you? or do just want us to 'bring on the rest' like some dinosaur socialist!
2. I've probably been to more matches than you and over a longer period, tosspot, and if you want, on-line, a test of knowledge of our club and its history - anytime wanker!
3. My symapathies for the supposed 'below' average' wage of the North West but it didn't affect me or others. Stop collecting 'wages', get off your arse and do something about it. Or maybe your mentality can't stretch that far!
Back to the slag heaps, pal!
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This comment shows how far your head is up your arse!
1. I want to win and get the glory don't you? or do just want us to 'bring on the rest' like some dinosaur socialist!
2. I've probably been to more matches than you and over a longer period, tosspot, and if you want, on-line, a test of knowledge of our club and its history - anytime wanker!
3. My symapathies for the supposed 'below' average' wage of the North West but it didn't affect me or others. Stop collecting 'wages', get off your arse and do something about it. Or maybe your mentality can't stretch that far!
Back to the slag heaps, pal!
And the group stages of the CL are so exciting
I wouldn't cross the road for a free seat at most Italian Seria A games - talk about boring. And I see enough of Spanish teams in the CL thank you very much.
I wouldn't cross the road for a free seat at most Italian Seria A games - talk about boring. And I see enough of Spanish teams in the CL thank you very much.
Any projected league would involve promotion from the respective leagues of the various countries and relegation back to them if not good enough. There was talk @3yrs. ago that teams like ourselves would be involved in a midweek euro league with the domestics at weekend. Therefore, only the bigger clubs would manage the size of squad required which would preclude the mickey mouse champions of Iceland and Lichenstein. It was precisely because of the threat of media partners and this format that that the euro FA composed this stupid 2 tier group system for the CL They had no choice as the major clubs were well into this and still are but its ended up a farce. Media partners and their like are still around - and so is the money on offer - and it will happen! The sooner the bleedin' better. I want to see the likes of Barca etc and not the likes of Coventry etc. Age doesn't seem to mature them does it, so why should we turn up once a year so they can make enough money to just about keep afloat?
the point of the thread was a concern that while we maylose now and then to the Boltons of this world ( we`ll sort them out at the Reebok like we did last year ) we are falling further and further behind the likes of Real Madrid ....I didnt hear of Ronaldo or Zidane or Figo wanting to come to us ...look at their first team line up and then look at what we are putting out injuries or not , makes you go white around the gills ..... they walloped Roma away tonight hardly breaking sweat ....
We had aspirations to match them once in style, we are richer , we have as proud a tradition,, a bigger fan base ,as good a ground , but as of now I do hope we dont draw them in the Champions league unless its in the Final and Keano is fit.
What went wrong with our ambitions and ourdreams ????
We had aspirations to match them once in style, we are richer , we have as proud a tradition,, a bigger fan base ,as good a ground , but as of now I do hope we dont draw them in the Champions league unless its in the Final and Keano is fit.
What went wrong with our ambitions and ourdreams ????
they walloped Roma away tonight hardly breaking sweat ....
They were also 1-0 down to Betis at the weekend when the lights went out.
They were also 1-0 down to Betis at the weekend when the lights went out.
The point of my amswer is that if we played the likes of them as regularly as we play the likes of Bolton we would improve in European terms. Being the club we are in finanacial and world terms it would not take us long to surpass them and dominate.
If this line of thought upsets Arsenal, L/pool and the more humble of us on 'ere, tough because thats the way it is!
If this line of thought upsets Arsenal, L/pool and the more humble of us on 'ere, tough because thats the way it is!