Rate the squads that each of our managers inherited

[Skills]

In terms of both squad quality/ability but also morale:

Moyes
Quality 6/10 - was aging and had obvious gaps that we hadn't addressed. Needed to act then go sort some of those issues.
Morale - 8/10 - champions. Maybe they were too comfortable under Fergie, so averse to a new direction. But the correct manager could've used them well.

LVG:
Quality 4/10 - natural attrition meant a lot of they key pieces were now over the hill, or beginning to head that way.
Morale 5/10 - the Moyes season zapped a lot of it out of our players.

Mourinho:
Quality 5/10 - van gaal's signings didn't work out for the most part. But he inherited a lot of promising talent
Morale 7/10 - missed out on the CL, but never got the impression that the squad was down in the dumps. Winning the FA cup also helped. Fanbases morale was a lot more negative than the noises from inside the club.

Ole:
Quality 6/10 - this wasn't a bad group of players, at the right age profile. Some obvious flaws that needed fixing (CAM was the big one).
Morale 5/10 - Mourinho turned the thing into a toxic shitshow, but the fact that the players put on a title winning run + Paris right after his sacking showed they still had fight in them.

ETH:
Quality 4/10 - another mess of a squad, where key issues hadn't been addressed, players had declined or become injury prone and the key signings hadn't worked out.
Morale: 3/10 - I've rarely seen such a deflated group of players. The morale was of a club sitting in 20th. I was thinking about giving it a 1 but I don't want to tempt fate.

 

[Deleted 112447]

In terms of both squad quality/ability but also morale:

Moyes
Quality 6/10 - was aging and had obvious gaps that we hadn't addressed. Needed to act then go sort some of those issues.
Morale - 8/10 - champions. Maybe they were too comfortable under Fergie, so averse to a new direction. But the correct manager could've used them well.

LVG:
Quality 4/10 - natural attrition meant a lot of they key pieces were now over the hill, or beginning to head that way.
Morale 5/10 - the Moyes season zapped a lot of it out of our players.

Mourinho:
Quality 5/10 - van gaal's signings didn't work out for the most part. But he inherited a lot of promising talent
Morale 7/10 - missed out on the CL, but never got the impression that the squad was down in the dumps. Winning the FA cup also helped. Fanbases morale was a lot more negative than the noises from inside the club.

Ole:
Quality 6/10 - this wasn't a bad group of players, at the right age profile. Some obvious flaws that needed fixing (CAM was the big one).
Morale 5/10 - Mourinho turned the thing into a toxic shitshow, but the fact that the players put on a title winning run + Paris right after his sacking showed they still had fight in them.

ETH:
Quality 4/10 - another mess of a squad, where key issues hadn't been addressed, players had declined or become injury prone and the key signings hadn't worked out.
Morale: 3/10 - I've rarely seen such a deflated group of players. The morale was of a club sitting in 20th. I was thinking about giving it a 1 but I don't want to tempt fate.

Cool thread. One point to address is what is a 10? If it's title winning squad then:

Moyes: 8/10. Proven and still capable winners. Not the favorites without SAF but still great. Morale 10/10 (though after SAF left it was more like 1/10)

LVG: 7/10. Needed big changes a year later with players getting old but still with a lot of quality. Morale: 8/10: many I think believed in him.

Mourinho: 6/10. Made it look like 3/10. The toxic one is the worst thing to have happened to this club in the last 20y.

Ole: 3/10. Lots of players bad, lots of them wanting to leave, some on silly contracts. How we got 3ed then 2ed, a Europa League final and he is still seen as a poor manager is beyond me.

ETH: 6/10. Similar to Ole but with more decent players, Bruno, Varane, even AWB but still a lot of bad. Morale: 1/10 after the implosion with Ole/ Rangnick

Best manager thus far is ETH imo. Got the morale up, had great signings and rejuvenated some of the quality players.

 

[DevilRed]

Sorry but the squad Moyes inherited walked to the fecking premier league title. We were an absolute machine led by a rampant RVP and one of the best backlines in the world.

We should have probably won the CL the year before too if it wasn't for a crooked turkish referee who had it out for us.

How he managed to have us finish 7th is a universal mystery.

 

[Skills]

Sorry but the squad Moyes inherited walked to the fecking premier league title. We were an absolute machine led by a rampant RVP and one of the best backlines in the world.

We should have probably won the CL the year before too if it wasn't for a crooked turkish referee who had it out for us.

We should've gone past Madrid, but we would've been beaten by Dortmund and obliterated by Bayern if we played them.

 

[Pintu]

We should have probably won the CL the year before too if it wasn't for a crooked turkish referee who had it out for us.

The Madrid games were close and the red card f**d us but we weren‘t beating the Heynckes‘ Bayern of that season. They obliterated 100 pts -Messi led- Barça home & way.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Moyes 7
LVG 5
Mou 6
Ole 7
ETH 6

 

[mu4c_20le]

In terms of both squad quality/ability but also morale:

Moyes
Quality 6/10 - was aging and had obvious gaps that we hadn't addressed. Needed to act then go sort some of those issues.
Morale - 8/10 - champions. Maybe they were too comfortable under Fergie, so averse to a new direction. But the correct manager could've used them well.

LVG:
Quality 4/10 - natural attrition meant a lot of they key pieces were now over the hill, or beginning to head that way.
Morale 5/10 - the Moyes season zapped a lot of it out of our players.

Mourinho:
Quality 5/10 - van gaal's signings didn't work out for the most part. But he inherited a lot of promising talent
Morale 7/10 - missed out on the CL, but never got the impression that the squad was down in the dumps. Winning the FA cup also helped. Fanbases morale was a lot more negative than the noises from inside the club.

Ole:
Quality 6/10 - this wasn't a bad group of players, at the right age profile. Some obvious flaws that needed fixing (CAM was the big one).
Morale 5/10 - Mourinho turned the thing into a toxic shitshow, but the fact that the players put on a title winning run + Paris right after his sacking showed they still had fight in them.

ETH:
Quality 4/10 - another mess of a squad, where key issues hadn't been addressed, players had declined or become injury prone and the key signings hadn't worked out.
Morale: 3/10 - I've rarely seen such a deflated group of players. The morale was of a club sitting in 20th. I was thinking about giving it a 1 but I don't want to tempt fate.

The team Moyes inherited needed a rebuild but it was still a title winning team. Ole inherited a team with Lukaku as the focal point, and the original chuckle brothers in defense. Can't see how they could be the same score.

 

[Devil You Know]

Cool thread. One point to address is what is a 10? If it's title winning squad then:

Moyes: 8/10. Proven and still capable winners. Not the favorites without SAF but still great. Morale 10/10 (though after SAF left it was more like 1/10)

LVG: 7/10. Needed big changes a year later with players getting old but still with a lot of quality. Morale: 8/10: many I think believed in him.

Mourinho: 6/10. Made it look like 3/10. The toxic one is the worst thing to have happened to this club in the last 20y.

Ole: 3/10. Lots of players bad, lots of them wanting to leave, some on silly contracts. How we got 3ed then 2ed, a Europa League final and he is still seen as a poor manager is beyond me.

ETH: 6/10. Similar to Ole but with more decent players, Bruno, Varane, even AWB but still a lot of bad. Morale: 1/10 after the implosion with Ole/ Rangnick

Best manager thus far is ETH imo. Got the morale up, had great signings and rejuvenated some of the quality players.

Agree with this, especially the point about Ole. The squad he inherited was awful, and the one he left was much better.

 

[Newtonius]

Not even a contest Eth inherited a squad with an obliterated morale that had Maguire as captain, an over the hill Ronaldo and De Gea with Fred, AWB and Mctominay as starters...

 

[Laurencio]

Moyes
Q 7/10
M 8/10
It had a desperate need for three reinforcements - A CB and two midfielders - other than that it was fine, maybe could have added a left back. Unfortunately all we got was Fellaini and a Mata that didn't suit the system at all. Had we signed Thiago and Khedira, and a CB as well as Fellaini I think that team would have done a lot better.

LVG
Q 6/10
M 5/10
Losing Giggs, Vidic and Rio was bad. It didn't help matters that the club was seemingly incapable of transfers and was roughly a year behind on reinforcements. Hererra, Blind and Shaw were positions we should have covered the year before. We still didn't have the midfielders we needed, but LVG slowly built a decent side - unfortunately the best players he brought in didn't actually work out for us - Falcao, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Depay, etc. When he left there was a core of good players there, but we never capitalised by bringing in the right replacements.

Mourinho
Q 6/10
M 6/10
LVG left a decent side and Mourinho had the right idea. The execution was just not there. I think he was two or three players away from building a good side. Supposedly he was vetoed by the owners several times from bringing in his type of players - which begs the question why they went for him in the first place. The result was that the team slowly but surely degraded. Funnily the vetos were because they thought he was too short-term, but his short term players aren't costing us anything and have no impact on our ability to bring in new players now, most of them left without any fuss, while the "long-term" failures are seriously hampering us with being impossible to offload.

Ole
Q 4/10
M 2/10
The squad was a mess and morale was crap. Every position since Moyes had gotten noticeably weaker, players who actually performed well were either gone or too old. It just wasn't a good team. We needed a brutal overhaul and got stop-gap options and the occasional marquee signing. Which resulted in one of the worst Man Utd sides I have ever seen.

ETH
Q 3/10
M 1/10
No investment what so ever meant that the issues that plagued us under Ole and Rangnick just got worse. He inherited a crap team with crap morale and a loser mentality. Luckily we finally figured out how to spend a little money again, and managed to build a decent team in a single window. It is still lacking in key areas, but at least it seems like there's a plan to rebuild now.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Cool thread. One point to address is what is a 10? If it's title winning squad then:

Moyes: 8/10. Proven and still capable winners. Not the favorites without SAF but still great. Morale 10/10 (though after SAF left it was more like 1/10)

LVG: 7/10. Needed big changes a year later with players getting old but still with a lot of quality. Morale: 8/10: many I think believed in him.

Mourinho: 6/10. Made it look like 3/10. The toxic one is the worst thing to have happened to this club in the last 20y.

Ole: 3/10. Lots of players bad, lots of them wanting to leave, some on silly contracts. How we got 3ed then 2ed, a Europa League final and he is still seen as a poor manager is beyond me.

ETH: 6/10. Similar to Ole but with more decent players, Bruno, Varane, even AWB but still a lot of bad. Morale: 1/10 after the implosion with Ole/ Rangnick

Best manager thus far is ETH imo. Got the morale up, had great signings and rejuvenated some of the quality players.

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Laughable that people that eth had it much worse than ole when he could start Varane Bruno Sancho instead of Ashley young, Jones, lingard, Andreas, Fellaini and a knackered matic. Rashford has kicked on so much to ETHs time. Ole had pogba who wanted gone. Yes inheriting Ronaldo was a real nuisance for Eth agreed but it hardly outweighs the rest. Maguire just sits on the bench and doesn't complain so hardly impactful for eth

 

[justsomebloke]

In terms of both squad quality/ability but also morale:

Moyes
Quality 6/10 - was aging and had obvious gaps that we hadn't addressed. Needed to act then go sort some of those issues.
Morale - 8/10 - champions. Maybe they were too comfortable under Fergie, so averse to a new direction. But the correct manager could've used them well.

LVG:
Quality 4/10 - natural attrition meant a lot of they key pieces were now over the hill, or beginning to head that way.
Morale 5/10 - the Moyes season zapped a lot of it out of our players.

Mourinho:
Quality 5/10 - van gaal's signings didn't work out for the most part. But he inherited a lot of promising talent
Morale 7/10 - missed out on the CL, but never got the impression that the squad was down in the dumps. Winning the FA cup also helped. Fanbases morale was a lot more negative than the noises from inside the club.

Ole:
Quality 6/10 - this wasn't a bad group of players, at the right age profile. Some obvious flaws that needed fixing (CAM was the big one).
Morale 5/10 - Mourinho turned the thing into a toxic shitshow, but the fact that the players put on a title winning run + Paris right after his sacking showed they still had fight in them.

ETH:
Quality 4/10 - another mess of a squad, where key issues hadn't been addressed, players had declined or become injury prone and the key signings hadn't worked out.
Morale: 3/10 - I've rarely seen such a deflated group of players. The morale was of a club sitting in 20th. I was thinking about giving it a 1 but I don't want to tempt fate.

That's an absurd overrating of what Mourinho left behind, particularly on morale.OGS got an immediate lift from basically by being the exact opposite of JM. EtH inherited a significantly better squad than OGS, in my view.

 

[Wumminator]

Ole is the only manager we’ve had who left the squad in a significantly better position.

 

[redmanx]

Sorry but the squad Moyes inherited walked to the fecking premier league title. We were an absolute machine led by a rampant RVP and one of the best backlines in the world.

We should have probably won the CL the year before too if it wasn't for a crooked turkish referee who had it out for us.

How he managed to have us finish 7th is a universal mystery.

We won the 2012/13 Prem Title by 11 points with 4 games to play and could have won by a far bigger margin but it was SAFs last season and the last 4 games, with the title already won, were played in a party spirit. Yes a few players had peaked and some were past their peak but a half decent manager would have been able to still get many good performances from them because they were WINNERS! But David Moyes not only failed to utilize the vast experience of the squad he also dismissed SAFs coaching and back room staff, including scouts and replaced them with his own people from Everton, a team who had won zilch since 1995! Things were not helped with David Gill retiring with SAF, but the rot set in well and truly under Moyes and the team, the players, the entire work force went from serial winners to losers. Under LVG things didnt improve though we did win the FA Cup, but that and the Europa League and League Cup in 2017 only served to hide just how poor we had come. ETH has started as he means to go on by not accepting the prima donna attitudes of some of the players he inherited and getting rid of them and the dead wood asap and recruiting players who actually want to play rather than spending months on the sidelines.

 

[Halftrack]

Sorry but the squad Moyes inherited walked to the fecking premier league title. We were an absolute machine led by a rampant RVP and one of the best backlines in the world.

We should have probably won the CL the year before too if it wasn't for a crooked turkish referee who had it out for us.

How he managed to have us finish 7th is a universal mystery.

Our backline was in full rotational mode by then, with Evans, Jones and Smalling playing as much as Rio and Vidic, and Rafael was our best right back. I don't think it qualified as one of the best in the world by that point.

 

[Irwin99]

Sorry but the squad Moyes inherited walked to the fecking premier league title. We were an absolute machine led by a rampant RVP and one of the best backlines in the world.

We should have probably won the CL the year before too if it wasn't for a crooked turkish referee who had it out for us.

How he managed to have us finish 7th is a universal mystery.

We were a very odd team that used to play well in patches during games and then grind results out (in fact zombie football was often a complaint around here ). It wasn't unusual to see teams boss us and for us to somehow win. In my opinion it was a team that relied heavily on Fergie's genius and was nowhere near one of his best sides.

The post Ronaldo/Tevez era was about squeezing every last drop out of aging players like Giggs, Scholes, Evra, Vidic and Rio and getting by with mid/decent players that wouldn't have started for any other big club, the likes of Cleverly, Rafael, Welbeck, Evans, Smalling, etc.