Ranking our season's post-Sir Alex...

sugar_kane

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I did this thread a few years back (pre-Ole) and thought it would be interesting to see everyone's thoughts again, given the absolute car crash of this season.

Rated, best to worst:

1. Mourinho's first season (2016-17)

Don't get me wrong, I heavily disliked him by the end (still do) but that season felt like maybe... just maybe... we were gonna spring back somehow. First of all - Zlatan, a real leader in the team again. Signing back Pogba was exciting and the first half of the season he was excellent. Mourinho hadn't yet gone insane, and to his credit defended his players regularly (especially Pogba) rather than throwing them under the bus. Our chance conversion was terrible, but it felt like we were trying to play attacking football again - something I think which gets forgotten about given that Jose was in charge and he usually deals in park the bus football.

To cap it all off - silverware, tin pot trophies but one which we'd never won before and the other won in exciting style with Zlatan running the show.

The only downside was Jose's weird misuse of Mkhitaryan, possibly justified but a sign of the eventual breakdown to come.

Overall though it felt like we were set up for second season Jose (remember that guy?) to spring into action.

2. Ole's first full season, Bruno signing, lockdown (2019-20)

Feels weird picking a season where Liverpool won the league and we played a third of it under lockdown, and started the season terribly, but we also managed to get to two semi finals, did the league double over City & Chelsea and made our best signing since RVP who lit up the league from day one and inspired a 14 game unbeaten streak in the league. Greenwood properly burst onto the scene with 17 goals, Rashford and Martial each got over 20.

I feel strangely nostalgic about the lockdown games as well, with every game on TV and basically being one of the few things to cheers us up during the pandemic.

3. LVG's first season (2014-15)

Part of the reason for this ranking highly is because like Jose's first it felt like maybe we were getting our shit together, bringing in a manager with a strong pedigree and a strong personality who was going to sort out our dressing room and get our shit together again tactically. He was a refreshing change to the dour Moyes and made some signings which were exciting eg. Di Maria, Herrera, Shaw.

It benefits also from being the first season post-Moyes, so looks better by comparison.

4. Ole's second full season (2020-21)

If we'd have won the Europa League this probably would have came top for me. Yes the signs were there that maybe individual brilliance was masking a lot of our tactical inadequacies but with a 2nd place finish and (almost unbelievably, looking back from the vantage point of this season) finishing above Liverpool & Chelsea. Cavani came in and surprised a lot of people, we battered Leeds 6-2 and there was the 9-0 thrashing of Southampton. Bruno also had an excellent first full season, and Maguire was actually decent.

The rest are all pretty fecking terrible and hard to rank, but here goes:

5. Jose's meltdown, Ole interim (2018-19) - saved by the insane run we went on with Ole as caretaker, peaking with the PSG win. Soured by a terrible end to the season, missing out on top 4 and a sense that maybe we'd made a big mistake.

6. LVG's second season (2015-16) - should be higher as the FA Cup semi against Everton and the final itself (and win) are great memories, but the football was increasingly awful leading to almost mutinous scenes at Old Trafford and we finished outside top 4.

7. Jose's second season (2017-18) - finished second but overall fairly miserable, with Jose starting to melt-down and fall out with the players, the fans and the club. The main high point was the comeback against City. Ended in disappointment with the FA Cup final loss.

8. Moyes season (2013-14) - goes without saying how bad this was, traumatic almost. The only saving grace was Januzaj's breakthrough, and Moyes sacking - leading us to believe maybe everything would go back to normal the following season...

9. This season (2021-22) - where to start? I loved Ole, still do, but accept he had to go as he had completely lost the dressing room, we were falling apart and there was a sense from all parts that he was nowhere near cut out for the job. Dressing room unrest worse than ever before, Mason Greenwood, the elation of our summer signings followed by crushing disappointment, Liverpool & City looking like the best teams in Europe still and humiliating us repeatedly, a bizarre choice of interim manager (I like and rate Ralf, but he was never going to instil his philosophy in 6 months on a group of unhappy players about a quarter of who may leave this summer) suggesting the new hierarchy also don't know what they're doing, crashing out of all the cups early, top four seemingly a lost cause, Rashford playing awful, even Bruno going off the boil. Solsjkaer's sacking was genuinely depressing as well and made me love football a little less - not because he didn't deserve to go (he did) but seeing one of my club heroes fail in spectacular and humiliating fashion with our whole squad giving up on him was horrendous. Unlike all the other seasons, not even a real sense of hope going into next. The best I can say about this season is that Sancho is looking promising, it's been nice to see Elanga break through (although I'm pretty sure he won't make it here) and there have been a couple of very memorable Ronaldo moments.
 
What is the point of comparing anything to Sir Alex? Hes not coming back
 
What is the point of comparing anything to Sir Alex? Hes not coming back

you say that but my mate gary reckons he saw sre alex siphoning diesel from a lorry parked in a service station car park on the m62, into a clapped out old range rover and fergie said he had done his money on horse racing and grousing and was likely to have to “turn to the game” to make a living again.
 
you say that but my mate gary reckons he saw sre alex siphoning diesel from a lorry parked in a service station car park on the m62, into a clapped out old range rover and fergie said he had done his money on horse racing and grousing and was likely to have to “turn to the game” to make a living again.

sounds legit
 
1 Jose winning league Cup and europa
2 VG winning FA cup
3 All the rest as we won feck all
 
Have to say I agree now about 2016/17 being our best season since Fergie retired. We won 2 trophies, played some really good football at times in the league as well (didn't lose much but had many draws, had that run without defeat from October to April) and it felt like there were more good things to come. 2017/18 was good league wise but losing to Sevilla in CL playing awful and Jose turning more and more toxic made us all worried. 2020/21 would've been better than 2016/17 if we won Europa League.

It feels like, after one terrible season, we then have one or two actually solid seasons where it looks like we're maybe moving into right direction (LVG 2014-15; Mourinho 2016/17, 2017/18; Ole 2nd part of 2019/20, 2020/21) and then follow it with a disaster of a season.

This season is one to forget (getting 4th place in PL somehow would make it bit better), same as for 2018/19, but the feeling of an absolute nightmare that we had in Moyes' season, that won't be repeated. Being used to years of constant success, that was much harder to take than everything happening over last few years. Maybe statistically Moyes' season was even better than this one or 2019 (it even looked like we could knock out Bayern at some point in CL quarter-finals), but it was an absolute disaster after being top for 20 years in a row basically. These days we're more used to failure.
 
We played better football under Ole and I was bored to tears watching the other three but I must say I enjoyed the antics of LVG.
 
1 Jose winning league Cup and europa
2 VG winning FA cup
3 All the rest as we won feck all

Agree. Trophy winning seasons are more satisfying than dull barren top 4 finishes with no title challenge.

In terms of end of season satisfaction:
1. Jose winning our first Europa and the league cup
2. LVG winning our first FA cup in 12 years
3. Barren seasons where we finished top 4
4. Barren seasons where we finished outside top 4
 
We played better football under Ole and I was bored to tears watching the other three but I must say I enjoyed the antics of LVG.

I liked LVG too, I think he was the only half decent manager we've had in that time and we played our best football under him for a few months. But, watching that team near the end legitimately made me doze off.
 
Agree. Trophy winning seasons are more satisfying than barren top 4 finishes with no title challenge.

It’s not like the CL money has been well spent anyway. And the much coveted 2nd and 3rd placed finishes ended up meaning f all as there was no progress from those seasons at all.

In terms of end of season satisfaction:
1. Jose winning our first Europa and the league cup
2. LVG winning our first FA cup in 12 years
3. Barren seasons where we finished top 4
4. Barren seasons where we finished outside top 4
 
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I liked LVG too, I think he was the only half decent manager we've had in that time and we played our best football under him for a few months. But, watching that team near the end legitimately made me doze off.
The game we played at An field when Mata strutted his stuff was when I thought I witnessed the 'Philosophy' but it was not to last.
 
17/18 was much better than people say. It was easily the strongest the team has looked post Ferguson.

It is the only season the team has gone over 74 points, and it even broke the 80 point barrier. The team barely conceded and it had the best home record of any team post Ferguson by a mile. And, that was probably the most competitive season for top four there has been. It was a stronger league, also. 75 points got 4th in 2017/18 for Liverpool, but 74 points secured 2nd last season. 66 points was enough for top four the season before that, also.

Manutd only left the top two for one weekend in that season. It was very consistent. People bemoan the lack of a title challenge, but considering Man City almost reached 100 points (a record) and where we had come from, was that ever a realistic thing? Not at all. I think that season takes far more criticism than it should.

Also, we reached the final of the FA Cup, but unfortunately did not win.

For me:

16/17 - Winning Europa League and League Cup
17/18 - The strongest the club has looked by far. If we won the FA Cup, I would probably put this first.

Possibly 15/16 in third - Terrible league season, but we did, at least, win the FA Cup.

The rest are rubbish.
 
The game we played at An field when Mata strutted his stuff was when I thought I witnessed the 'Philosophy' but it was not to last.

I always remember a run of 3 or 4 games against Liverpool, City and Spurs were we genuinely looked amazing amd beat everyone easily. Incredible that led to constant long balls to Fellaini.
 
17/18 was much better than people say. It was easily the strongest the team has looked post Ferguson.

It is the only season the team has gone over 74 points, and it even broke the 80 point barrier. The team barely conceded and it had the best home record of any team post Ferguson by a mile. And, that was probably the most competitive season for top four there has been. It was a stronger league, also. 75 points got 4th in 2017/18 for Liverpool, but 74 points secured 2nd last season. 66 points was enough for top four the season before that, also.

Manutd only left the top two for one weekend in that season. It was very consistent. People bemoan the lack of a title challenge, but considering Man City almost reached 100 points (a record) and where we had come from, was that ever a realistic thing? Not at all. I think that season takes far more criticism than it should.

Also, we reached the final of the FA Cup, but unfortunately did not win.

For me:

16/17 - Winning Europa League and League Cup
17/18 - The strongest the club has looked by far. If we won the FA Cup, I would probably put this first.

Possibly 15/16 in third - Terrible league season, but we did, at least, win the FA Cup.

The rest are rubbish.
I think the Sevilla defeat and his rant after the loss leaves a bitter taste. I don't think we were bad but our football in the second half of the season was just pathetic , which was there to be seen against Sevilla as well. Although we amassed 81 points and defeated every opponent that season everyone could see we were going down and Liverpool who finished 4th but reach CL finals were on the up. My issue with both Jose's second season and Ole's last season was the football we played was just not sustainable. And on both occasions it turned out likewise.
 
This season has been pretty bad, but nothing beats the Moyes season.

A team that cruised the league, that you could slowly see Moyes ruining.
Quite a few home defeats to teams we hadn't lost to for 30 years, back to back home batterings v Pool & City, and just pure disbelief that things could get so bad, that we'd come under the average bunch Moyes had left to join us.
 
Jose's first season was great. I had a feeling that we are again giant club.

Everything else is to forget.
 
It's funny you should put Oles only two full seasons in your top 4.

He's the worst manager in the history of mankind according to folk on here. Clearly not the case is it?

This season has been a car crash for sure though. Everything that could go wrong has done.
 
The only season that's been remotely decent was funnily enough when we finished 5th, but won the Europa and League Cup. Not because we won stuff, but because it genuinely looked like we were going somewhere. All the other seasons have been pretty abysmal.
 
I liked lvg's first season, the influx of transfers were initially exciting with hererra, blind, di maria and Falcao on top of thinking rvp would produce under lvg like he did under him at international level and the football felt like it was on the right path in terms of being comfortable in possession as demonstrated when we played Liverpool off the park at their ground for about 70 minutes of the match.
 
Manutd 0-5 Liverpool!
Not only the worst season since Fergie left, it’s one of the worst seasons in clubs recent history!
 
Largely agree with the OP except for the 19-20 season which would be a lot lower for me. Up until the new year our form had been dreadful and Ole was constantly saving himself with results in the big games (big wins against Spurs and City). There was a 2-0 home defeat in January that sparked some real unrest in the club, I think that was before we signed Bruno who transformed our season.
 
1. Jose first season. We played decent stuff, were tough to beat, and won a couple trophies. I do think the 2nd place finish is overblown considering the league wasn’t nearly as strong as it is now.

2. Lockdown season. Post lockdown was the best we’ve ever played as a team post SAF. The team clicked and we were great to watch especially Martial who we thought was finally breaking through (and was our best player this season).

3. LVG FA Cup season. Few huge wins and the memorable Juanfield performance which was as dominant as I’ve seen us at Anfield.

The rest who gives a shit. It was nice getting second last year I guess but it was so smoke and mirrors.