So what do you lot reckon? Worth a punt as a replacement for Gaz if and when he's finished as a player? For my money he is one of the most promising fullbacks in Europe, reminds me a lot of Evra actually. Only right-sided.
Rafinha
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My bro who is a Bundesliga fan says he is a very good RB and wouldnt cost too much. I still have my doubts about him. I think Alves is better but the price is the problem.
Rafinha was poor against Chelsea in the CL, defensively. Never does he warrant a tag such as "very good" could be a decent prospect however.
He's 22 years old, though. My worries rest with his defensive game, too, I have to admit. But I reckon he'll come good. Has got a lot of promise, that's for sure.
Not seen much of him myself. We would do well to keep an eye on his progress.
I think this will be one of the threads that 5 years down the road, someone will bring up and well all have a laugh...
Alves is not a defender, he spends most of his time on the opponents half taking on defenders himself.
He would be a good buy as a winger, but not as a right back.
He never looks strong when trying to defend, and I'm pretty sure teams would rape our right side with him in the team - Sevilla use Christian Poulsen as a right back pretty much each time they are attacking as Alves leaves a gigantic hole and participate in all of their attacks as that's he's good at.
That's why I actually wanted Chelsea to sign Alves last transfer window.
I'd prefer some of the younger fellas like Ramos or Richards when we do finally decide to go looking for a Neville replacement. They are both good at defending, good in the air and fairly good at going forward. Though I haven't seen enough of Richards at right back to fully comment on him as a back and it probably isn't very serious to put him on a "wish list" until I see him in action at right back some more.
Alves is the best attacking full back in the world, so I wouldn't want Chelsea to sign him.
Attacking being the main word, he's brilliant at going forward, and I myself love watching Sevilla as their right side tears teams apart with Navas and Alves - at home at least.
But the reality is that he just doesn't defend much and he never looks great when he does.
The opponents goals often comes from Sevilla's right side - fx. this weekend where Poulsen got skinned trying to cover for Alves.
And if Chelsea wanted to spend £30 mil on him then i would cry, I'd be far more interested in seeing how he'd cope.
That's fair enough, but I feel he contributes so much going forward that it's worth it. Sevilla should invest in someone who can comfortably cover for him then because he opens up another dimension to their attacking play.
I would have faith in ferguson to tweak alves' game to make him even better, doubt we would spend the amount that would be needed though.
Richards is much better at cb in my opinion, don't rate him anywhere near as much as a right back.
It's difficult to teach a Brazillian dog new tricks. Going forward and acting like a second right winger is his whole style, that's what he does and he's amazing at doing so. If we in any way try to limit this style then it wouldn't be Alves and he wouldn't be as good - but we can't afford to let him do what he does at Sevilla.
Whether we would be able to find some kind of in between is difficult to say, especially as I am less than impressed with his defending when he's actually back home.
I could of course be wrong, though we won't now until he plays for a Premier League club.
Like I said, it was fairly spontaneous of me to name him as I've only seen him play as a right back for England - games which haven't really shown whether or not he would cope in the Premier League at that position.
But like I've mentioned before in another thread; it's rather difficult to find great right backs - there's a lot of decent right backs, who are okay at defending and okay at going forward, but there's not really anyone who's brilliant at both.
It's only Sergio Ramos who really springs to mind imo, but Real would probably never let go of him unless someone like Ronaldo went the other way.
Hopefully we won't have to worry about right back for a couple of years if Neville can get rid of his injuries.
There is a chance with that for all the threads
I think the same, i was relieved when i saw Sevilla rejecting the transfer.
thats the exact opposite with me. i think hes a bit rubbish at CB and was better as a RB with Richard Dunne and Sylvain Distin playin CB
Hutton would be a good buy for us! Quick tall loves a tackle and is like an extra winger when going forward for 8million would be a good buy!
Rafinha is decent, very good going forward. he is more Everton, Spurs level rather than United
Alves or Lahm are the only fullbacks worth signing
He's ace in FM.
Someone had to say it...
Someone had to say it...
This is not true. I'm sure you wouldn't have classed Evra as "worth signing" two years ago, and even after half a season with us. I'm pretty sure there are many fullbacks that are worth signing, some of whom we probably have never heard of.
As for Alves; for what it's worth I reckon he's overrated, and not a very good defender. Rafinha is better in that aspect of his game, at least from what I've seen of them.
I'm only throwing a wild suggestion into the air, I have a feeling this one might be something special. Let's wait and see. And possibly see this one biting me in the arse in a couple of years time.
I think you're underrating Alves' defending. Although he's not that good at it, he's not completely poor.
I just remember the Chelsea game and Rafinha couldn't touch Malouda at all. He had to foul him from behind etc.
Maybe he is good in football games but in real life, still has a lot prove.
I just remember the Chelsea game and Rafinha couldn't touch Malouda at all. He had to foul him from behind etc.
Maybe he is good in football games but in real life, still has a lot prove.
I basically said that he's not very good(Alves, that is), while you said he is not that good a defender. About the same if you ask me.
As for Rafinha, yes he was a bit shit against Malouda in one of the Chelsea-games. But he was very good in a couple of the other Champions League-matches, and in the league this season he's been doing very well the times I've watched him.
Of course he still has a lot to prove in real life. You could say that about nearly every 22-year old football player in the world, mind you.
I think if we signed him, he'd be a liability at the back and we'd be more assured at the back with Brown. Obviously Rafinha would be far better going forward, mind you.
Maybe he is worth a try but it would be a bit of a risk if we put him in as first choice right back straight away.
Yeah, but I was thinking more along the lines of future replacement for Gary, if he never comes back.
As for the liability thing; I would have said the same thing about Evra before and even a couple of months after we signed him. I see much of the same in Rafinha. But he undoubtedly has got a bit of talent, and his pace helps him defensively.
Alves is very consistantly productive, though when I've seen him play full matches he hasnt been the most impressive winger I've ever seen.
And thats what he is. The only reason he gets away with being called a defender is because he's Brazilian.
And thats what he is. The only reason he gets away with being called a defender is because he's Brazilian.
Simpson looks the bit and I hope he gets better. That said, if SAF would like to get a young player to compete with Simpson I think Lorenzo De Silvestri is worth a look. He's supposedly out of contract this summer. Turns 20 in May and is an established Italian U21 player. I believe he was the captain of the U19 side during the 2007 FIFA world championships. Arsenal, Juve, Milan are rumored to want his signature.
He's a player who you can account for if he's the main attacking threat - in the same way Spurs forgive Berbatov'x lack of tracking back.
Alves wouldn't suit Uniteds game though - you could drive a truck through our right side if Ronaldo and Alves lined up there.
Does he? I've yet to see something special there.
It's still early, very early mind.
That's where Hargreaves would be useful
Attacking wise, not sold on him defensively.
I bet u went threw all the CL-teams lineups looking for a right FB, however he is decent, has to improve his defensive but can come good.
That shows what you know about me. Which is nothing. I was amongst the first on these boards to recommend Fergie sign Evra for years. I was then at the head of a handful of people who praised the Evra signing and said he would be a star. While everyone else said he was shit and a waste of cash. Mind you this was when he was having his bad run when he first arrived. I have since been proved right beyond a shadow of a doubt. So don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.
Believe what you want. I could careless.
Surprise, surprise, people said the same thing when I said Evra was a must signing. Alves is a right footed Evra. Of that I have no doubt. When he moevs to stronger league people will finally see this.
Rafinha is simply not in Alves' league. Even though he is a pretty good player
I expect it to. Alves is a star waiting to explode. Supernova style
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What about Fabio???
Still to young and havent adjusted to the english way of life, but expect him to be involved next season maybe getting the odd cameo now and then and playing regulary with the reserves.
Theres always someone when noone has seen the chap play.