Quarterfinal 1 - Raees vs RedTiger | ODI Goat Draft

Who will win the ODI?

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Welcome to the first Quarter Final match of the ODI Goat Draft. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) Judge players only on the basis of their ODI records.
2) Base your vote on which team you think is more likely to win an ODI between the two.
3) The poll will remain open for 24 hours after creation.

The XIs:

@Raees: 1. Javed Omar 2. Fraser Watts 3. Maurice Odumbe 4. Keith Dabengwa 5. Luke Ronchi 6. Mark Dekker 7. Eddo Brandes 8. A. Mascarenhas 9. Khaled Mashud 10. Mohammad Ashraful 11. Tapash Baisya

@RedTiger: 1. Rob Nicol 2. Mohammad Hafeez 3. Yasir Hameed 4. Stuart Matsikenyeri 5. John Davison 6. Ruwan Kalpage 7. MS Dhoni 8. Thomas Odoyo 9. James Hopes 10. Ashanta de Mel 11. Brian Strang
 
Raees XI:
  1. Javed Omar - Susceptible to medium pace, Jacob Oram.. we will target him with our spin attack of Davison and Hafeez.
  2. Fraser Watts - Weak against spin, he will be fed with medium pace for him to feast on.
  3. Maurice Odumbe (all-rounder) Weak against spin, he will be fed with medium pace for him to feast on.
  4. Keith Dabengwa (all-rounder) Gave up on this guy, we will bowl underarm to him. He's really shit.
  5. Luke Ronchi - struggles mainly against pace, Anderson and Steyn his main tormentors. Only gets out to good bowlers. We willa attack him with spin.
  6. Mark Dekker (all-rounder) Struggles against quality seam (Srinath, McGrath, Vaas), we will have to feed him with pace/spin.
  7. Eddo Brandes (all-rounder) Srinath, Akram, Younis.. guy only gets out to top quality pace. Luckily we have none of that in our side, he will no doubt smash it against our medium pace/spin attack.
Bowling attack
  1. A. Mascarenhas (all-rounder) Very dangerous bowler whose got likes of Dravid out, he has a preference for bowling at right handers and that will make our batting lineup especially vulnerable.
  2. Khaled Mashud (WK)
  3. M. Ashraful (part-time bowler) Bangladesh legend, capable with bat and ball.. whatever strategy our maestro's muster against this guy, his bewildering ability to turn the ball on any surface and bravery with the bat is key to our team failing to win.
  4. Tapash Baisya - another only susceptible to the great players like Pollock, Murali.. our varied but ultimately blunt attack will fail to dislodge him. He's dismissed Ponting 3 times, Gibbs 4 times and Mohammed Hafeez (2 times). In this draft he's arguably the greatest bowler.
@Raees if you want me to add the first write-up you gave me as well, let me know, or feel free to post it yourself in the thread.
 
RedTiger XI:
  1. Rob Nicol (NZL) Batsman
  2. Mohammed Hafeez(PAK) Batsman
  3. Yasir Hameed (PAK) Batsman
  4. Stuart Matskineri (ZIM) Batsman
  5. John Davison (CAN) Batsman
  6. Ruwan Kalpage (SL) All-Rounder
  7. MS Dhoni (IND) WK/Batsman
  8. Thomas Odoyo(KEN) all rounder
  9. James Hopes(AUS) all rounder
  10. Ashanta de Mel (SL) bowler
  11. Brian Strang(ZIM) medium bowler
BIO
Rob Nicol - batting avg- 30.84 @SR of 75.51
A batting allrounder who bowls right-arm medium pace and offspin, Rob Nicol made an instant name in one-day internationals when he scored a century on his debut game, against Zimbabwe, to become only the seventh batsman, and the second from New Zealand, to achieve this feat.
Nicol's only previous international exposure was in Twenty20 cricket, in which he represented New Zealand in the 2010 ICC World Twenty20 in the West Indies. The right-hand batsman played eight seasons for Auckland before shifting to Canterbury in 2009-10. Nicol was a consistent performer for Auckland, his best returns coming in 2002-03 when he scored 664 State Championship runs. He was also impressive in his first stint with Canterbury, scoring 514 first-class runs. He was Canterbury's leading run-scorer in the Twenty20 HRV Cup with 237 runs at a strike-rate of 127.41 and that won him a promotion to the national squad.

Mohammed Hafeez -batting avg-32.35 @SR of 74.87
An opening batsman and handy offspin bowler, Mohammad Hafeez first played for Pakistan in 2003, but it was only in 2011 that he finally became a regular in the side in all formats.

As a player, Hafeez gives the team plenty of options: he usually bats aggressively at the top of the order, but his organised technique also means he can switch to defensive mode if required. He doesn't flight his offbreaks much, but his excellent control over line and length allows the captain to use him at almost any stage of an innings. He is also one of the better fielders in the Pakistan team, especially in the point region.

Despite these skills, Hafeez failed to create a regular place for himself in the Pakistan in his first seven years in international cricket, primarily due to his inability to convert his starts into substantial scores. He scored plenty of pretty 30s and 40s, laced with some exquisite cover-drives, but that only helped cement the opinion that Hafeez may forever remain a player whose potential exceeds performance.

To a large extent, that changed in 2011, as Hafeez put in consistent displays with both bat and ball in all forms of the game. It actually started in the series against South Africa in November 2010, and then continued through 2011, a year which fetched him two centuries in Tests and three in ODIs, apart from two fifties in Twenty20 internationals. He won an incredible ten Man-of-the-Match awards in international cricket that year, and became only the third cricketer - after Sanath Jayasuriya and Jacques Kallis - to score 1000-plus runs and take 30 or more wickets in ODIs in a calendar year. With Taufeeq Umar, he formed Pakistan's most stable opening combination in Tests, as his aggression at the top of the order became a perfect counterfoil to Taufeeq's defensive approach.

Yasir Hameed- batting avg- 36.87 @SR of 66.95
Yasir Hameed stamped his presence in international cricket with two Test centuries on debut - against Bangladesh at Karachi in August 2003 - becoming only the second player to achieve that feat. Frail of build, Yasir's game is built on timing and an easy elegance. A technique more solid than many recent top-order Pakistani batsmen served him well in his career early on. His exploits in the one-day arena were initially as impressive, and he forged a superb combination with Imran Farhat at the top of the order: against New Zealand at home the pair put together a record four consecutive hundred partnerships. The early signs were promising then, but he developed a worrying tendency to waste his starts, making pretty 20s and then throwing it away, often by flailing at wide ones outside off. That saw him lose his place in the team in late 2004. Selectorial inconsistencies didn't help, Hameed being dropped the next match after scoring two fifties in a Test at Syndey. Thereafter opportunities have been limited: a few ODIs here and there (in all of which he has made contributions) and no Tests since June 2005. Persistence at domestic level paid off, however, as he returned to the national squad against the West Indies in November 2006, made a couple of fifties in the ODI series and booked himself a seat to South Africa at the start of 2007. With Mohammad Yousuf missing there, opportunities will be present. Not part of Pakistan's squad for the World Cup, Hameed swiftly returned to occupy the vacant number three spot for the Abu Dhabi series in Younis' absence and his decent performance will surely cause discomfort in the selectors' minds.

Stuart Matsikenyeri- avg- 22.01 @SR of 72.39
A talented batsman but a modest, hardworking character, Stuart Matsikenyeri is the third of three school friends from Churchill Boys High School, Harare to represent Zimbabwe in international cricket. Matsikenyeri is a short, wristy batsman with a low centre of gravity and a fierce cut shot, and is also a useful part-time offspinner. He learned his cricket in the black township of Highfield on the outskirts of Harare, representing Zimbabwe at U-16 and U-19 levels, and has also played club cricket in Australia - a vital step in his development. His debut came as an opening batsman against Pakistan at Bulawayo in November 2002. He played one match in the 2003 World Cup, and played in the NatWest Series in England later that year, scoring a vital 44 at Trent Bridge in a four-wicket win. But he has failed to really push on after the early promise and has struggled against high quality pace bowling, despite being strong on the cut and pull. He is an impressive fielder in a variety of positions but is generally used in the gully area. In 2006 he declined to sign a new contract with the board, but, like several others, subsequently returned to the fold as the lure of a World Cup outings grew closer. He stayed there and thereabouts for Zimbabwe, but his chances in the national side diminished as did his returns with the bat. There were some bright points - such as his record 188-run sixth wicket partnership against South Africa with Tatenda Taibu in 2009, but in 2013 Matsikenyeri, who was captain of Mashonaland Eagles at the time, followed Taibu into premature retirement. He left Zimbabwe for Johannesburg, where he played league cricket and coached at a prestigious high school, and surprised many when he returned to Zimbabwe to fight for a place at the 2015 World Cup. His experience clearly counted in his favour when he was included in Zimbabwe's squad for that tournament.

John Davison- avg- 26.63 @SR of 104.17
John Davison is a middle-order batsman and right-arm spinner who has been at the heart of the Canadian national side for almost a decade. Born in British Colombia, he moved to Australia as a child, playing grade cricket in Melbourne and attending the Australian Cricket Academy in 1993. he was a member of the Victoria state squad for several years but was unable to secure a regular first-team slot and after being released by them he joined South Australia in 2002-03. In 1999 he was approached to spend his off-season in Canada as a player-coach, and he was soon drafted into the national side. He played in the Canadian side that finished third in the 2001and 2005 ICC Trophies, but he hit the headlines in the 2003 World Cup when he stunned the West Indies with the fastest World Cup century in history, clubbing half a dozen sixes in a brilliant 111. He followed this up with the third-fastest World Cup fifty against New Zealand, making most runs and taking most wickets for Canada in the tournament. He was appointed Canada's captain in 2004 and the following year, in their first first-class match for more than half a century, he created history by taking 17 for 137, the best since Jim Laker in 1956, and hitting 84 as Canada beat USA by 104 runs in the Intercontinental Cup. He played his last game for South Australia in 2004-05 and since then has devoted his time to Canada. A bristling 52 from 31 balls against New Zealand in the 2007 World Cup underlined his class.

Ruwan Kalpage- avg- 20.58 @SR of 63.93
A combative allround cricketer Kalpage has been a handy performer in the shorter format of the game where his allround skill makes him a valuable utility player. In the Test arena his appearances have been far more infrequent as he has struggled to find a defining role in the team, not being strong enough to warrant a position as either a batsman or bowler.



A left-hand batsman capable of playing some forceful knocks in the lower order, at domestic level he can be regarded as a genuine batsman. His canny offspin provides a useful option for the captain, with the ability to maintain a tidy line and length, though at international level his bowling lacks penetration. Kalpage compliments his tidy allround skills by being a solid performer in the field.

At Test level his bowling has not been an effective weapon failing to take more than two wickets in an innings in 11 matches. With the bat he played some belligerent innings but is considered a lower-order batsman. He remained on the fringes of the international arena, and his opportunities were limited by the emergence of Upal Chandana

Brian Strang- avg- 5.11 @SR of 41.81
Bryan Strang is a military-medium seamer who makes up for a lack of pace with nagging accuracy and in one-day cricket is a bowler who is hard to get away. He is not the a bowler who is going to empty the beer tent - he was once described as "the most boring bowler in the world". He plies his trade across the world, in club cricket in England and South Africa, as well as being a more than capable coach. A mercurial character and something of a maverick, his clashes with authority have been fairly frequent and in 2002 he moved to South Africa after growing weary of the deteriorating political situation in Zimbabwe. He was subsequently sidelined by a serious injury, but his comments that Zimbabwe should be barred from hosting World Cup matches on moral grounds alienated him from the Zimbabwe cricketing authorities. An attempted comeback in 2003-04 was thwarted when the ZCU extracted its revenge by banning him on political grounds.

Thomas Odoyo- avg- 23.49 @SR of 70.38
Since his debut at the age of 17 at the 1996 World Cup, Thomas Odoyo has been a key performer for his side and one of Kenya's most valuable assets. A whole-hearted allrounder, his powerful middle-order hitting has brought him more than 2000 runs at international level, while he was also the first Kenyan to take 100 wickets in ODIs with his bustling medium-fast seamers, though it took him seven games to take his first international wicket, during a spell of 3 for 25 in Nairobi against Pakistan. He has been a regular performer since then, and was the first player from a non-Test playing team to achieve the double of 1500 runs and 100 wickets in ODIs. For several years, he formed a reliable new-ball partnership with Martin Suji and in 1997-98 he shared in a then-world record ODI stand for the seventh-wicket of 119 with the other Suji, brother Tony, at home against Zimbabwe.


Injury forced him out of Kenya's trip to the West Indies for the 2003-04 Carib Beer Cup first-class competition, but he was fit again for selection for the 2004 Champions Trophy. He returned from Kenya's 18-month international exile on song, and was named Player of the Series in Zimbabwe in 2005-06. He underlined his potential as an allrounder with some excellent performances in the World Cricket League in 2007, thrashing a 39-ball 61 to snatch a remarkable one-wicket victory against Ireland. He couldn't repeat his rollicking strokeplay at the World Cup in the Caribbean, but his bowling was as disciplined as ever, and he was selected for the Afro-Asia Cup, during which he shared in a 103-run partnership for the ninth wicket with Shaun Pollock in the first match at Bangalore. His consistent performances led to him winning inaugural ICC Associate ODI Player of the Year in 2007.

James Hopes- avg-25.01 @SR of 93.71
An allrounder who combined brisk medium-pace with aggressive and versatile batting, James Hopes was the most prolific wicket taker in the Sheffield Shield in the decade up to his retirement in 2015-16. A bowler of Scrooge-like thrift, he gave batsmen precious few scoring opportunities, and his accuracy and ability to shape the ball meant he was always a threat. He could bat anywhere in the order but No.6 to 7 was most typical, and he was constantly chipping in with fifties or better. Never one to seek the spotlight, Hopes was nonetheless a fine leader and captained Queensland to the Sheffield Shield title in 2011-12, and back-to-back one-day triumphs in 2012-13 and 2013-14. A hard-worker who was always loyal to his home state, he never played first-class cricket for anyone but Queensland and Australia A. Hopes never quite made it to Test cricket but played 84 ODIs and 12 T20s for Australia, and at his peak was in the top 10 of the ICC's one-day international bowling rankings. But Hopes was often viewed, unfairly, as expendable in the ODI set-up, and was left out of both the 2007 and 2011 World Cup squads. He spent the remainder of his career piling up wickets in state cricket, and broke the record for most wickets in Australia's one-day domestic competition, with 155 at 27.32.
Ashantha del Mel- avg- 14.56 @SR of 78.31
He was a brisk right-arm bowler with the ability to gain genuine outswing, Ashantha de Mel was Sri Lanka's leading pace bowler following their elevation to full Test status. In Sri Lanka's inaugural test against England in 1981-82, de Mel took a highly creditable 4 for 70 and 1 for 33. In the following tour of Pakistan, he toiled willingly, taking 11 wickets. In the one-off Test against India in 1982-83, he became the first Sri Lankan fast bowler to take a five-wicket haul, grabbing 5 for 68 in the second innings. With the bat, de Mel was a handy performer, capable of valuable contributions in the lower order with his aggressive style. A serious knee injury brought his career to a premature end after the 1987 World Cup, but he went on to represent Sri Lanka at bridge, including an appearance at the Commonwealth Games. He also served on the interim committee of the Sri Lanka cricket board, and was a national selector and manager of the under-19 side.

MS Dhoni- avg- 50.89 @SR of 88.80
Barring Sachin Tendulkar, MS Dhoni is arguably the most popular and definitely the most scrutinised cricketer from India. He has done so coming from the cricketing backwaters, the mining state of Jharkhand, and through a home-made batting and wicketkeeping technique, and a style of captaincy that scales the highs and lows of both conservatism and unorthodoxy. Under Dhoni's captaincy, India have won the top prize in all formats: the No.1 Test ranking for 18 months starting December 2009, the 50-over World Cup in 2011 and the World Twenty20 on his captaincy debut in 2007.




Dhoni, then a ticket inspector with the Indian Railways, had escaped all attention bar the odd whisper among the followers of club cricket in Kolkata until he was 23 when he blasted two centuries in a triangular 50-over tournament for India A in Nairobi in 2004. Long-haired and fearless, he soon swaggered into international cricket, and became an instant darling of the crowds with ODI innings of 148 and 183 within a year of his debut.



Dhoni demonstrated all that was right with the new middle-class India. He didn't respect reputations, but never disrespected. He improvised, he learned, but didn't make an apology about his batting style, which was not the most elegant. He still batted with low, hockey hands, he still didn't look elegant but became a multi-faceted ODI batsman, one who could accumulate, one who could rebuild, and one who could still unleash those big sixes.

This team is waaaay better than anything that tiger bloke drafted, this team will win easy.
 
Thoughts on my opponents team...

Must admit after going through a few of his batsman I was expecting the worst - literally. His team looked fecking shite and I was wondering where the feck I was going to struggle.. he was making my side look like Bradman's invincibles.

But then taking a closer look at his bowling lineup I realised he had a pretty underrated bowling lineup. Masc, Brandes and Vaisya are three brilliant bowlers capable of taking it to all time legends.. all three have taken the wickets of Dravid, Brandes taking the wicket of King Azhar 4 times and the god.. Sachin a couple of times. Dhoni watch out. Vaisya in particular has a brilliant record v Mohammed HAfeez, taking his wicket multiple times.

Thoughts on my team

Nicole averages 14 v Saffers, 13 v SL, 25 v Windies.. he is quite positively a bag of shit. Splendidly so. Hafeez is one of the most underwhelming players pakistan has produced in quite some time from a pure batting perspective. Hameed has a decent record v weak teams but against good teams, his averages drop into the low 20's. Stuart Matskin whats his name, is so bad that he was dropped to the Zimbabwe A team and even then, Zimbabwe fans were fuming that he was even being allowed to play for their A team. Shocking player,

Hopes, Davison, Strang, Odoyo are a shocking trio of all-rounders and provide the spine (less) of my bowling attack. Not a famous wicket between them, they have absolutely no chance of getting any good batsmen out. I hear what you're saying, his team has no good batsmen.. I get that, but if his batsmen are averaging 20's against all the top teams and I am using a super shite bowling attack, logically you'd assume they'd get some more runs than their normal average and this would be balanced out by my average batsmen playing against his much superior bowling attack which can get guys out like Tendulkar.

Conclusion

Classic bat v ball contest, it will be neck and neck IMO.. he can get anyone of my batters out, and unless Dhoni performs, I can't see myself making more than 100 :(.
 
Raees said:
But then taking a closer look at his bowling lineup I realised he had a pretty underrated bowling lineup. Masc, Brandes and Vaisya are three brilliant bowlers capable of taking it to all time legends.. all three have taken the wickets of Dravid, Brandes taking the wicket of King Azhar 4 times and the god.. Sachin a couple of times. Dhoni watch out. Vaisya in particular has a brilliant record v Mohammed HAfeez, taking his wicket multiple times.
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:lol: You talk a good game Raees!
Those bowlers do have some famous scalps I'll give you that but at what cost? Their averages and strike rates are frankly laughable!
 
I think it gets a bit confusing when you refer to the team you drafted as your team, even though its your opponents team here.
Would be better if you refer to the team you are given as your team only. Maybe just confusing for me. Doesn't help that half of these players are unknown.
 
RedTiger said:
The team I'm managing has Dhoni batting at 7 with an average that's the equivalent of 4 of the other team's players.
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If they can get Sachin out and one of your bowlers has repeatedly taken out Ponting, in a one off game of Cricket fairly sure Dhoni is vulnerable here.

I've also let him go on the piss the night before Wazza style so hoping for mare here.

Best of luck in this game mate and I sincerely mean that this time.
 
I think I misunderstood my role .. I am managing his side :/. Oops, surely my incompetence should be punished here.
 
Isn't Hameed more of an opener? Just checked the stats and he averages almost 40 opening, and 27 at no. 3, whereas with Hafeez, its the vice versa, although HAfeez has played more matches as an opener.
 
OB said:
Isn't Hameed more of an opener? Just checked the stats and he averages almost 40 opening, and 27 at no. 3, whereas with Hafeez, its the vice versa, although HAfeez has played more matches as an opener.
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I just went with what raees put down as his preferred order.

Give me 30mins and I'll post MY batting line up proper
 
Hafeez is a decent player, at worst average.
 
I've also seen Hameed live in a domestic game in the Gaddafi stadium and he scored a ton :lol:
 
Why is Ashraful batting at 10? he was proper batsman ffs! Can we have batting order of team assigned to Raees?
 
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