PS3 v XBOX360 part MMMCCCXIV

Rams

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Right, me cuntbox brokedown a few weeks ago so I decided to get an PS3 which now isn't that expensive anymore. The PS3 is much better obviously. Nice to have the old controller back. It's much quiter, quicker and much much better made than the Xbox. The biggest difference is probably the HDMI cable, which you have to buy seperatly though of course. And you have got to get an expensive cable otherwise it's just a waist.
I can play my old PS1 and PS2 games and save them, now that is cool. Glad I never sold the games.
Draw back are the released games IMO. There's far more choice on the Xbox. I don't like shooters and only really play sport & racing games. Waiting for GT5 to come out. Been mostly playing every bodies golf (which is brilliant) and legend mode in PES10.
Blu ray and internet are cool, but a little bit unnecessary.

Question: how do feck does the photo thing work? Connected the camera but I just keep getting a message that it doesn't recognise the USB device.
 
Rams said:
The biggest difference is probably the HDMI cable, which you have to buy seperatly though of course. And you have got to get an expensive cable otherwise it's just a waist.
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I thought it didnt make a difference and this whole gold plated thing was just a marketting ploy?

Well, apparently it does make a difference but only on the very best and very big tvs. And even then, the difference isnt enough to warrent the extra £60+

Rams said:
Blu ray and internet are cool, but a little bit unnecessary.
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I was told the Blu-Ray player is a bit shit.
 
re the camera: I've not tried hooking the camera up directly but if you can get the photos onto a USB stick you shouldn't have any trouble importing them. It's a shame they discontinued the SD card slot, it's ace.
 
cw1984 said:
I thought it didnt make a difference and this whole gold plated thing was just a marketting ploy?

Well, apparently it does make a difference but only on the very best and very big tvs. And even then, the difference isnt enough to warrent the extra £60+



I was told the Blu-Ray player is a bit shit.
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well, you obviously need an HDTV for a HDMI cable...
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
re the camera: I've not tried hooking the camera up directly but if you can get the photos onto a USB stick you shouldn't have any trouble importing them. It's a shame they discontinued the SD card slot, it's ace.
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it should work, it even asks to connect a camera.
 
Rams said:
well, you obviously need an HDTV for a HDMI cable...
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Rams said:
rubbish. a decent cable is probably more important than all the pixles in the world...
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Yeh it's this that i've been told is a bit of a marketting ploy and while it does make a difference, it's only slight and certainly nothing to justify spending a shit load of money on.
 
cw1984 said:
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Yeh it's this that i've been told is a bit of a marketting ploy and while it does make a difference, it's only slight and certainly nothing to justify spending a shit load of money on.
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Im not saying that you have to get one that's 200quid or summat. But you do need a decent cable, not the cheapest crap. It makes the world of difference.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Why is getting a HDMI cable for a PS3 a big difference over getting one for an xbox?
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not anymore, but my old xbox360 didn't have one...

anyway, Im not talking about cables of 100dollars, Im talking about the difference between one of 10 or 30 quid. ffs..
 
I bought 2 HDMI cables for very cheap off ebay and work fine for my xbox and blu ray.

But I have been tempted to buy an expensive one to see if there is a difference. What brand did you get?
 
Randall Flagg said:
I bought 2 HDMI cables for very cheap off ebay and work fine for my xbox and blu ray.

But I have been tempted to buy an expensive one to see if there is a difference. What brand did you get?
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Just buy an expensive one, test it to see if there's a difference then take it back and get a refund if you don't want to keep it.
 
If you spend more than a tenner on a HDMI cable then you are a fool. Obviously, if you need an extra long one then the price goes up....but anything under 2m should be suitable for most people's set-up.

Different HDMI cables do not affect the quality of the picture. FACT. Reviews stating that cables produce a 'more natural image' or 'better colours' are complete rubbish.

HDMI carries digital data and with a digital display there's no DAC involved.

Each pixel of the image is made up from complex numerical data. The only way a HDMI cable could change the image (beyond there being a obvious fault) would be to change the numerical value of specific data in a controlled fashion.
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What do you reckon the chance of a cable doing this is?

Quite simply, it will either work or it wont. End of.

I paid 8 quid for mine. It gives exactly the same picture quality as my brother's (we have the same TV) and his cable is being sold for £35. Luckily he got his thrown in free with the deal on his TV.
 
Brocky In Black said:
If you spend more than a tenner on a HDMI cable then you are a fool. Obviously, if you need an extra long one then the price goes up....but anything under 2m should be suitable for most people's set-up.

Different HDMI cables do not affect the quality of the picture. FACT. Reviews stating that cables produce a 'more natural image' or 'better colours' are complete rubbish.

What do you reckon the chance of a cable doing this is?

Quite simply, it will either work or it wont. End of.

I paid 8 quid for mine. It gives exactly the same picture quality as my brother's (we have the same TV) and his cable is being sold for £35. Luckily he got his thrown in free with the deal on his TV.
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I paid £2.50 for mine from Asda, it was so cheap it didnt even come in a box, just an Asda smart price bag :cool:
 
Whie we're on the subject of cables, I have a quick query. For the last year or so I have been using a VGA cable for my XBox as it has an audio output connected to it. Recently though, my console has not been playing any audio through this cable. I decided to get a HDMI cable the other day (£12) to see if that soved the problem....it didn't. However, when I tried using the component and aux cables, the sound worked fine :confused:

Can anyone shed any light on this matter? It's pissing me right off
 
OK so I am a fool and been misslead, however the original point is that a hdmi cable makes a big difference compared to other output thingiemebobs. In fact I was trying to say that the better picture & sound on my PS3 compared to the xbox has more to do with the HDMI cable rather then the more powerful and advanced PS3 console.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
re the camera: I've not tried hooking the camera up directly but if you can get the photos onto a USB stick you shouldn't have any trouble importing them. It's a shame they discontinued the SD card slot, it's ace.
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It depends on your camera and if it will act as a FAT32 mass storage device or not. From my experience, some Canon cameras for example do not, and even on a PC require you to install a driver, which on the PS3 is not possible.
 
Some interesting posting goin on here & I'd like to add a little something. I'm a City & Guilds qualified Sound Engineer - many years ago tho. In an industry thats cable-reliant, its vital to have good cables to maintain a strong signal so there's a minimum loss to the original sound. Good strong audio signal-carrying cabling costs somewhat more & I assume that would be the same for visual cabling aswell!

The difference in the price of cable & wiring is reflected in performance & longevity to maintain the high quality carry of signal. It doesnt mean you should go out & purchase the most expensive cabling because you think you need perfection - you dont. The most expensive cables are one's that professionals use to limit leakage of the signal.

Any depreciation in the original signal being passed through a cable is regarded as a loss in artistry, because the sound or visual has to be tweaked or boosted to enable the engineer to replicate the original sound performed & polished. So Engineers depending on finances, would opt for the best available cables which are more expensive, but limit leakage of signal strength.

So in a nutshell, good cabling for the right situations / purposes can of course retain the original signal as close as possible & closely retain the quality, but this enhancement is not always as obvious to the untrained eye or ear as it is for the skilled professional, so for many - spending alot of money on top of the range cabling is not only unnecessary but too much of a luxury purchase for the amateur!
 
I see what you are trying to say, but it's a digital signal. I have to pop out for a moment, so I'll give you a better answer later that I can now. You can't really get noise on a digital signal as such, but you can, but if the signal has noise, it will normally destroy it in its entirety. You can't get say the snow you used to get with an analogue TV signal, it doesn't work like that. The problem with HDMI is mainly the HDCP interface and the handshaking that goes on. HDMI 1.4 does ethernet as well over the cable (PS3 is HDMI 1.3b I think). The major problems that people have with the PS3 and HDMI cables is poor HDCP handshaking thus causing the signal to black out in its completely. It's not like Digital Terrestrial TV where signal problems cause blocking of the image or anything like that, because the PS3 output isn't compressed in any shape or form, it's a pure digital stream of bits, albeit encoded with HDCP.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Any depreciation in the original signal being passed through a cable is regarded as a loss in artistry, because the sound or visual has to be tweaked or boosted to enable the engineer to replicate the original sound performed & polished. So Engineers depending on finances, would opt for the best available cables which are more expensive, but limit leakage of signal strength.
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As far as I understand it, correct me if I am wrong, but I see that you are right for the most part. This is what I may be wrong about - HDMI has no error correction or compression technology going on, unlike say CD or DVD, it's a bitstream of pure digital data. I suppose that if a bit say in the video gets lost it's won't really matter, people won't see it, it will be just a pixel in a 1920x1080 image in the case of Blu-ray - if there are problems with the signal, it will not be noticeable. Audio problems probably would be in the same case. However, the PS3 encrypts the data always over HDMI, so the hash checking at the TV end with HDCP will either dump it or display it, it has to be perfect. This is why you find a lot of people moaning about the display going black at times with the PS3 - it mainly is noise that causes it, thus not providing a correct digital signal.
 
WeasteDevil said:
As far as I understand it, correct me if I am wrong, but I see that you are right for the most part. This is what I may be wrong about - HDMI has no error correction or compression technology going on, unlike say CD or DVD, it's a bitstream of pure digital data. I suppose that if a bit say in the video gets lost it's won't really matter, people won't see it, it will be just a pixel in a 1920x1080 image in the case of Blu-ray - if there are problems with the signal, it will not be noticeable. Audio problems probably would be in the same case. However, the PS3 encrypts the data always over HDMI, so the hash checking at the TV end with HDCP will either dump it or display it, it has to be perfect. This is why you find a lot of people moaning about the display going black at times with the PS3 - it mainly is noise that causes it, thus not providing a correct digital signal.
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I find this happens alot with wipeout HD, always wondered what was causing it.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I see what you are trying to say, but it's a digital signal. I have to pop out for a moment, so I'll give you a better answer later that I can now. You can't really get noise on a digital signal as such, but you can, but if the signal has noise, it will normally destroy it in its entirety. You can't get say the snow you used to get with an analogue TV signal, it doesn't work like that. The problem with HDMI is mainly the HDCP interface and the handshaking that goes on. HDMI 1.4 does ethernet as well over the cable (PS3 is HDMI 1.3b I think). The major problems that people have with the PS3 and HDMI cables is poor HDCP handshaking thus causing the signal to black out in its completely. It's not like Digital Terrestrial TV where signal problems cause blocking of the image or anything like that, because the PS3 output isn't compressed in any shape or form, it's a pure digital stream of bits, albeit encoded with HDCP.
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WeasteDevil said:
As far as I understand it, correct me if I am wrong, but I see that you are right for the most part. This is what I may be wrong about - HDMI has no error correction or compression technology going on, unlike say CD or DVD, it's a bitstream of pure digital data. I suppose that if a bit say in the video gets lost it's won't really matter, people won't see it, it will be just a pixel in a 1920x1080 image in the case of Blu-ray - if there are problems with the signal, it will not be noticeable. Audio problems probably would be in the same case. However, the PS3 encrypts the data always over HDMI, so the hash checking at the TV end with HDCP will either dump it or display it, it has to be perfect. This is why you find a lot of people moaning about the display going black at times with the PS3 - it mainly is noise that causes it, thus not providing a correct digital signal.
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Potentially stupid question, but are you actually in the tech field? You seem to know a lot about techy stuff, but I think I remember you posting something about running a bar in Spain. Or did I make that up?
 
WeasteDevil said:
Blacking/blanking of the screen would suggest that there is a HDCP handshake issue over the HDMI cable/connection. 1080p? Does it happen if you force it into 720p?
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I haven't tried that. Although i did notice that it doesn't happen with MGS4 or Uncharted 2 and iirc they're both 720p. Only recently got my ps3 so i haven't that many games to compare it with. I'll try it later and see if it happens. Cheers man!
 
olesmyhero said:
Most people I know have a degree in one subject, but work in a completely unrelated field.
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I got into the pub business because my level of Spanish was never really good enough back then to get a decent job in my own field (so much so that I left the missus for almost two years back in 2003 to work as a programmer in Ireland - good money, I used that to set up the pub thing), so working for myself was the easiest thing to do, and anyone with a bit of training can run a pub - I worked a bit as a barman when I was a student, so I knew how to change a barrel and pull a pint. I've recently sold my part in the pub business and now work with my own small company in Microsoft Dynamics consulting.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It depends on your camera and if it will act as a FAT32 mass storage device or not. From my experience, some Canon cameras for example do not, and even on a PC require you to install a driver, which on the PS3 is not possible.
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I wouldn't know as I only figured out how to copy music files from the PS3 to an SD card and/or MP3 device yesterday.

Next time I will try the camera.
 
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