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One of the more tiresome moans about ETH this season has been that he's running the players into the ground with his refusal to rotate.

Allow me to challenge this with some facts.

Most minutes in the PL this season.

I'll ignore goalkeepers, for obvious reasons.

1. Kilman
2. Tarkowski
3. Ward-Prowse
4. Gabriel
5. Kane
6. Iwobi
7. Rice
8. Guehi
9. Ream
10. Konsa
11. Bowen
12. Hjojberg
13. Henry
14. Trippier
15. Mee
16. Castagne
17. Saka
18. Dunk
19. Fernandes

So there are 18 PL players who have racked up more minutes than the United player with the most minutes this season.

Let's see where our number two sits...

20. Toney
21. Odegaard
22. Xhaka
23. Lerma
24. Koch
25. Burn
26. Gros
27. Dier
28. Martinelli
29. Mings
30. March
31. Smith
32. Watkins
33. Schar
34. Pereira
35. Salah
36. Johnson
37. Neves
38. Rodri
39. Caicedo
40. Gibbs-White
41. White
42. Saliba
43. Botman
44. Palhinha
45. Rashford

So Rashford isn't far inside the top 50!

Can't really be arsed typing out any more but you'll see that on the list which includes goalkeepers, Lisandro Martinez is our next most over-burdened player. In 92nd place.

I know this doesn't include cup matches but we've played a grand total of 4 FA Cup matches (2 of which Rashford didn't start) 6 League Cup games (1 of which neither Bruno nor Rashford started and another 2 of which Rashford didn't start) and 11 Europa League fixtures (1 of which neither Bruno nor Rashford started and another 5 of which Rashford didn't start) And let's not forget that the above list is full of players from teams that also played a bunch of cup fixtures.

And let's also not forget that ETH is year one of a rebuild and lumbered with the likes of Elanga and VDB when he wants to give our busiest players a break. So yeah, can we maybe stop all the whingeing about what a cruel taskmaster ETH is?
 
This just a premier league list. The minutes played in all competions matter. If we didn't have Europa and were mainly just focused on the league no one would care for any rotation. Why would some teams on this list that play only on weekends care about time off.
 
flappyjay said:
This just a premier league list. The minutes played in all competions matter. If we didn't have Europa and were mainly just focused on the league no one would care for any rotation. Why would some teams on this list that play only on weekends care about time off.
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Did you stop reading at the bottom of the list of players?
 
I think you really need to consider more than just the Premier League and start to consider how you can say things which wind up Pogue
 
flappyjay said:
This just a premier league list. The minutes played in all competions matter. If we didn't have Europa and were mainly just focused on the league no one would care for any rotation. Why would some teams on this list that play only on weekends care about time off.
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That'd be fine if all the players above Fernandes on the list were only playing weekends, but they're not. Gabriel, Kane, Rice, Bowen, Hjojberg & Saka have all been playing European football until very recently.
 
1. Bruno Fernandes (Man Utd) – 3,751
2. David de Gea (Man Utd) – 3,690
3. Vinicius Junior (Real Madrid) – 3,510
4. Axel Disasi (Monaco) – 3390
5. Alexander Nubel (Monaco) – 3390
6. Rui Patricio (Roma) – 3330
7. Alex Remiro (Real Sociedad) – 3330
8. Gianluigi Donnarumma (PSG) – 3330
9. Mohamed Salah (Liverpool) – 3318
10. Federico Valverde (Real Madrid) – 3314

This is the most minutes played in Europe (as of 18th March - I cba to find anything more up to date).


Manchester United playmaker Bruno Fernandes has clocked up more minutes on the pitch than any other player in Europe this season. The 10 top features representatives from Real Madrid, PSG, Roma and Liverpool.
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The 28-year-old has played 92% of all available minutes for Erik ten Hag’s Red Devils this season and started all but three of their 45 matches in all competitions in 2022-23. As with Liverpool last season, United remain in every competition they’re competing and could end the season playing the maximum possible number of games.

Not only has Fernandes featured prominently for his club this season, but he also played over 500 minutes for Portugal, including four appearances in the mid-season World Cup out in Qatar.
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Sauce: The 10 players with the most minutes in Europe this season: Fernandes, Salah... (planetfootball.com)

So you really do need to consider the totality of games, not just PL.
 
JB7 said:
That'd be fine if all the players above Fernandes on the list were only playing weekends, but they're not. Gabriel, Kane, Rice, Bowen, Hjojberg & Saka have all been playing European football until very recently.
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But didn't go far in the other cups did they. 2 games a week is no issue for a big club but once it's to where you can play 3 games it's an issue.
 
JB7 said:
That'd be fine if all the players above Fernandes on the list were only playing weekends, but they're not. Gabriel, Kane, Rice, Bowen, Hjojberg & Saka have all been playing European football until very recently.
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Not as much though tbf, Bruno is 15 minutes off having the most minutes in Europe including goalkeepers and he's 550 minutes ahead of Kane overall

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/gesamteinsaetze
 
Good thread. I’ve never really understood the narrative - he always plays strong teams but the only players he doesn’t rotate are De Gea, Bruno and Casemiro - but the latter gets regular rest due to suspension anyway and he’s subbed Bruno fairly frequently when the score line is high enough.
 
The Corinthian said:
Going by this Most appearances 22/23 | Transfermarkt

Bruno is top of the list when you consider minutes played to date worldwide, Licha is 5th and Rashford is 20th.
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No no no, that's completely wrong.

Look at this list from the Premier League. No United players in sight.

1. Kilman
2. Tarkowski
3. Ward-Prowse
4. Gabriel
5. Kane
6. Iwobi
7. Rice
8. Guehi
9. Ream
10. Konsa
11. Bowen
12. Hjojberg
13. Henry
14. Trippier
15. Mee
16. Castagne
17. Saka
18. Dunk
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Did you stop reading at the bottom of the list of players?
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No I didn't, how many of those players have regularly played 3 games a week this season. If that's a way for me make it easy what the point I am putting up is. The other teams played cups but we have went further in every competition. Besides us and City which other team in the pl has? Let's also not forget the Europa playoffs that added to our congested schedule.
 
JB7 said:
And he's just put 3 MOTM performances in in a week. He's fine.
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Point to where I said he isn't fine. I am just not pretending that our players have had a normal work load. We have had one too many 3 game weeks. It's a testament to them we could still win 2 more cups.
 
Bruno minutes this season: 4996
Max Kilman: 2790

What a train wreck of a post. When discussing whether a player has been played too much or not, you have to include national team, cups etc.

Bruno has almost double the playing time and insane more traveling than Kilman. This whole statement by OP is ridiculously wrong
 
Andersonson said:
Bruno minutes this season: 4996
Max Kilman: 2790

What a train wreck of a post. When discussing whether a player has been played too much or not, you have to include national team, cups etc.

Bruno has almost double the playing time and insane more traveling than Kilman. This whole statement by OP is ridiculously wrong
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Can’t help but agree. It’s a really misinformed OP/thread.
 
The Corinthian said:
Going by this Most appearances 22/23 | Transfermarkt

Bruno is top of the list when you consider minutes played to date worldwide, Licha is 5th and Rashford is 20th.
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Nope. You got that wrong. You've ordered them by appearances.

When you order by minutes played Bruno is 2nd, Licha is 167th and I really can't be arsed seeing where Rashford is.

@Samid is probably the only one suitably obsessed about this topic to keep searching that far down the list...
 
The non PL games may not seem like much, but when you add it all together it's 21 games so far. That's like another (just over) half of a PL season smushed into one of the most hectic schedules we've ever had. They may not have started some of them but they still played.

I don't disagree that ETH isn't some slave driver refusing to rotate though. He's doing the best he can IMO.
 
Andersonson said:
Bruno minutes this season: 4996
Max Kilman: 2790

What a train wreck of a post. When discussing whether a player has been played too much or not, you have to include national team, cups etc.

Bruno has almost double the playing time and insane more traveling than Kilman. This whole statement by OP is ridiculously wrong
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Now do that for all the other horrendously overworked players in our squad...
 
Hi,

Like someone said, you need to consider other games as well. There is no way you can compare Kilman to Rashford in minutes played without considering how much other football Rashy has played and we aren't even considering the world cup in this.

ETH is cruel, but this team needs cruel. We need smart recruitment next season, and even after that if ETH continues to play the same players again and again we can deem him to be cruel and evil as well.
 
flappyjay said:
But didn't go far in the other cups did they. 2 games a week is no issue for a big club but once it's to where you can play 3 games it's an issue.
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Raw said:
The non PL games may not seem like much, but when you add it all together it's 21 games so far. That's like another (just over) half of a PL season smushed into one of the most hectic schedules we've ever had. They may not have started some of them but they still played.

I don't disagree that ETH isn't some slave driver refusing to rotate though. He's doing the best he can IMO.
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See post #19. Total minutes played really not all that bad. Bruno, obviously a freak but our player with the next most minutes (Martinez) is in 167th place, taking all of Europe into account.

Probably helps that our 2nd and 3rd most worked players didn't accumulate many WC minutes. Which ETH will obviously have taken into account.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nope. You got that wrong. You've ordered them by appearances.

When you order by minutes played Bruno is 2nd, Licha is 167th and I really can't be arsed seeing where Rashford is.

@Samid is probably the only one suitably obsessed about this topic to keep searching that far down the list...
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Licha is 167th, but you've included goalkeepers. Once you strip them out he's much much higher.

I mean, the only reason Bruno is 2nd is because there's a goalkeeper above him.
 
The problem with this is that injuries affect the number of minutes you can play. I don’t think he’s had a great deal of choice but not looking at all the other minutes played is ignoring key evidence.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Now do that for all the other horrendously overworked players in our squad...
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I didn't say that they were overworked, but i do think some some of them are though. Rashford has 3555 minutes, a world cup and Europa league travels in his legs, Kilman doesn't. And it's individual how much a body can take. Wether they are over worked or not, you have to use all of the stats, not just those who fits your narrative
 
The Corinthian said:
Licha is 167th, but you've included goalkeepers. Once you strip them out he's much much higher.

I mean, the only reason Bruno is 2nd is because there's a goalkeeper above him.
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Go ahead then. I did the dirty work for PL players. Your turn now

I can assure you that I scrolled past an absolute shitload of outfield players to find Licha all the way down in 167th fecking place!
 
Andersonson said:
I didn't say that they were overworked, but i do think some some of them are though. Rashford has 3555 minutes, a world cup and Europa league travels in his legs, Kilman doesn't. And it's individual how much a body can take. Wether they are over worked or not, you have to use all of the stats, not just those who fits your narrative
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Nope but Harry Kane has 4426 minutes. Declan Rice 4014. Bellingham 3976. Max Aarons 3890. Saka 3767.

This is just a quick search of English players only. 138 of whom have played more minutes than Rashford so far this season.

Bound to be a load more if you broaden the search to other nationalities.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
@Samid is probably the only one suitably obsessed about this topic to keep searching that far down the list...
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Yes. I'm the one obsessed about this topic.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Go ahead then. I did the dirty work for PL players. Your turn now

I can assure you that I scrolled past an absolute shitload of outfield players to find Licha all the way down in 167th fecking place!
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The only filter I could apply to help was to mark it as Top Leagues & Internationals only:

Most appearances 22/23 | Transfermarkt

So (not including goalkeepers)...Bruno is first, Licha is 43 (there's no way of filtering out gks, but I scrolled past a shedload of them to get to them) and I gave up trying to get to Rashford for the same reason.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
One of the more tiresome moans about ETH this season has been that he's running the players into the ground with his refusal to rotate.

Allow me to challenge this with some facts.

Most minutes in the PL this season.

I'll ignore goalkeepers, for obvious reasons.

1. Kilman
2. Tarkowski
3. Ward-Prowse
4. Gabriel
5. Kane
6. Iwobi
7. Rice
8. Guehi
9. Ream
10. Konsa
11. Bowen
12. Hjojberg
13. Henry
14. Trippier
15. Mee
16. Castagne
17. Saka
18. Dunk
19. Fernandes

So there are 18 PL players who have racked up more minutes than the United player with the most minutes this season.

Let's see where our number two sits...

20. Toney
21. Odegaard
22. Xhaka
23. Lerma
24. Koch
25. Burn
26. Gros
27. Dier
28. Martinelli
29. Mings
30. March
31. Smith
32. Watkins
33. Schar
34. Pereira
35. Salah
36. Johnson
37. Neves
38. Rodri
39. Caicedo
40. Gibbs-White
41. White
42. Saliba
43. Botman
44. Palhinha
45. Rashford

So Rashford isn't far inside the top 50!

Can't really be arsed typing out any more but you'll see that on the list which includes goalkeepers, Lisandro Martinez is our next most over-burdened player. In 92nd place.

I know this doesn't include cup matches but we've played a grand total of 4 FA Cup matches (2 of which Rashford didn't start) 6 League Cup games (1 of which neither Bruno nor Rashford started and another 2 of which Rashford didn't start) and 11 Europa League fixtures (1 of which neither Bruno nor Rashford started and another 5 of which Rashford didn't start) And let's not forget that the above list is full of players from teams that also played a bunch of cup fixtures.

And let's also not forget that ETH is year one of a rebuild and lumbered with the likes of Elanga and VDB when he wants to give our busiest players a break. So yeah, can we maybe stop all the whingeing about what a cruel taskmaster ETH is?
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Bruno has played the most minutes in Europe, and let's not forget a World Cup jammed in there that many of those above didn't play.

Anyway, I get your point - I don't think ETH is running the players into the ground. Playing a lot of games is a demand when playing at a big club expected to get to finals. Plus, the more games the better as it's more opportunity for EtH to get his style and belief drilled into the players. If we just had one or two more first teamers in the squad it would be a lot more manageable, but I think he's managing the schedule very well.
 
Don’t even need to see minutes or anything to know Ten Haag has actually rotated a fair bit minus Rashford and Bruno who we simply have no replacements for. A lot of the cafe are just obsessed with resting players and players being tired. I’ve never seen a fanbase worry about it like ours.
He’s not running players into the ground and if he is it’s only Bruno who basically never gets injured and never looks tired anyway.
There’s only two games this season where I’ve thought, maybe he could have rotated a bit more and that was Reading and Forest in the cup.

if you look through our squad, bar again Rashford and Bruno. Everyone else has had a reasonable spell in and out, Casemiro missed 8 games through suspension. There was a spell in January where Shaw didn’t play for ten days. Martinez was eased back in after barely playing for Argentina at the World Cup. Varane has been given a fair few mid weeks off too. Eriksen was injured. Our right backs have rotated through the season and basically everyone else is a squad player.

We’ve basically just been really really unlucky with injuries which people are using as justification to say ten Haag should have rested. But Eriksen got injured cos Andy Carroll is a cnut. Martinez broke a bone in his foot walking. Shaw and Rashford have actually done amazingly well to avoid injuries this season seeing as how they’re quite prone to them. Only really having spells out recently.
 
The Corinthian said:
The only filter I could apply to help was to mark it as Top Leagues & Internationals only:

Most appearances 22/23 | Transfermarkt

So (not including goalkeepers)...Bruno is first, Licha is 43 (there's no way of filtering out gks, but I scrolled past a shedload of them to get to them) and I gave up trying to get to Rashford for the same reason.
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It's easy. Just click on "Minutes" and that arranges them in order of minutes played. Obviously, stick to "all competitions" as all minutes matter.

Bruno is 2nd. Licha 167th.

If you want to strip out goalkeepers go right ahead. As I said there's a ton of outfield players high up the list. 16 out of the top 25 (page 1) are outfield players.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's easy. Just click on "Minutes" and that arranges them in order of minutes played. Obviously, stick to "all competitions" as all minutes matter.

Bruno is 2nd. Licha 167th.

If you want to strip out goalkeepers go right ahead. As I said there's a ton of outfield players high up the list. 20 out of the top 25 (page 1) are outfield players.
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Yea, that's what I'm saying I've done. When you keep it to top leagues & internationals only (so it won't include Championship, B Leagues etc) Licha is 43rd and Bruno is top (for outfield players only).
 
Ludens the Red said:
Don’t even need to see minutes or anything to know Ten Haag has actually rotated a fair bit minus Rashford and Bruno who we simply have no replacements for. A lot of the cafe are just obsessed with resting players and players being tired. I’ve never seen a fanbase worry about it like ours.
He’s not running players into the ground and if he is it’s only Bruno who basically never gets injured and never looks tired anyway.
There’s only two games this season where I’ve thought, maybe he could have rotated a bit more and that was Reading and Forest in the cup.

if you look through our squad, bar again Rashford and Bruno. Everyone else has had a reasonable spell in and out, Casemiro missed 8 games through suspension. There was a spell in January where Shaw didn’t play for ten days. Martinez was eased back in after barely playing for Argentina at the World Cup. Varane has been given a fair few mid weeks off too. Eriksen was injured. Our right backs have rotated through the season and basically everyone else is a squad player.

We’ve basically just been really really unlucky with injuries which people are using as justification to say ten Haag should have rested. But Eriksen got injured cos Andy Carroll is a cnut. Martinez broke a bone in his foot walking. Shaw and Rashford have actually done amazingly well to avoid injuries this season seeing as how they’re quite prone to them. Only really having spells out recently.
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I think the fact that both Rashford and Martinez had a quiet world cup has been a factor in ETH's team selections.
 
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