Premier League Fantasy Draft - 1/4 Final #4: Cal? vs Rood

Which team do you think would win the fourth Premier League Fantasy Draft QF?

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Rood said:
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The original Fantasy Draft returns - much respect to Erics_Collar who did all the hard work back in 2009 - full rules and original draft order on show here:
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/redcafe-...y-draft-picks-thread-only-232144/#post5635445

When voting for the team you think would win the match, keep the following in mind from the original rules:
"When selecting a player, it is important to remember that you are only picking them on their Premiership/Premier League form, i.e. if you pick Gullit ;), you get his form in England only, not Italy or Holland!

Take your pick for who will complete the SemiFinal line up:


Cal? - Cal's XI .....vs..... Rood - Rood Rovers
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The battle of the Fantasy Drafters. This one could be epic, except I can't tell them apart.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
their kit is the same colour, impossible to tell.
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:D Ye bit of a feck up there - I blame Cal as I picked my team first!

Im going to go and dig up my tactics from 2 years ago to see if that sways the voters!


Edit: a few quick changes from what I came up with originally ...

"I can see a potential defensive weakness in today's opponent and have sent my team out with instructions to press them from the first minute.

Waddle (1993 PFA Player of the Year), who is equally comfortable on the left or right will be encouraged to push forward and join my deadly strike force of Klinsmann (1995 FWA Player of the Year) and Owen (2001 Ballon D'Or).

Petit (1998 Double and World Cup winner) will act as holding midfielder and sit just in front of the defence to act as an extra layer of protection. Petit's constant hard work gives Barnes (member of the English Football Hall of Fame) and Scholes (who Zidane once described as “the complete midfielder”) the space and time to find the passes to bypass the opposition midfield and provide scoring opportunities for the forward line.

The opposition has some talent upfront but my world class defensive unit will have no problem in dealing with them. Both my fullbacks are experienced internationals plus Terry’s (2005 PFA Player of the Year) bulldog spirit, power in the air and all round bravery (stupidity?) would blend well with Walker’s pace and precise tackling, as they used to sing; “You'll Never Beat Des Walker”.

Rood Rovers have quality throughout the team. All bar one (because he's Welsh!) have played in World Cups and two are even World Cup winners. There are leaders all over the pitch and every one of these players has represented their clubs and country at the highest levels, frankly the opposition has no chance!"
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Decotron said:
feck. genuinely stuck on this one. 2 great sides. Leaning towards Rood purely because between Barnes Scholes and Waddle the service Owen and Klinnsman would get.
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You know it makes sense :D

I'd also like to point out that Cal's team lacks balance as he has no left sided player in midfield and Beardsley is clearly not a midfielder - he and Sherrigham would usually play in the same position behind the main striker.
Also Gullit's name looks good on the team sheet but all his best years were before the brief time he played in England.

Im sure he will be here to slag off my team any minute !
 
wiki said:
In 1992 Liverpool won the FA Cup again but Barnes missed the final with an Achilles tendon injury. He played just 12 league games in the 1991–92, scoring once, as Liverpool finished sixth in the league – their lowest finish in two decades and the first time since 1981 that they had failed to finish champions or runners-up.
It was also during this pre-season (in 1992) where constant injuries would eventually take their toll and rob Barnes of the lightning acceleration and pace that was once his hallmark.
By the mid-1990s, Barnes knew he was facing the end of his playing career and looked to make up for the underachievement at International level with his club side. He publicly stated that he would stay at Liverpool and help bring through young talent that needed his leadership instead of leaving the club as it went through turbulent years under Graeme Souness, before Roy Evans took over at the helm in 1994.
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wiki said:
Waddle's later career at Hillsborough was marred by injuries and he was released 5 games into the 1996–97 season (when the Owls were top of the premiership and having taken young sensation Ritchie Humphreys – 4 goals in 5 games – under his wing) after being frozen out of the team by David Pleat, having played 109 games and scored 10 goals with many more assists.
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2 bits taken from wiki, guys, please don't forget that this competition is based on PL form ONLY. Barnes was much more of a holding midfielder and Waddle was often injured. Their first division forms SHOULD NOT count...

Oh, incidently, I don't have a left winger because Ronaldo is very much allowed to roam and both my fullbacks will provide width with Essien dropping into defence to help out.
 
Cal? said:
2 bits taken from wiki, guys, please don't forget that this competition is based on PL form ONLY.
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Not a problem for my team - all my players are true Premier League legends!

Waddle was Player of the Year in the first PL season so Im surprised you mention him - he made over 100 PL appearances. Barnes did change his style but was an important player even late on (similar to Giggs right now), he made over 200 PL appearances and was Liverpool captain before retiring.

On the other hand you have players like Babbel, Gullit and Sylvinho who only managed around 50 appearances each - they are 1 season wonders in PL terms!

There are a lot of top players in both teams here but one player seems way out of his depth here - Steve Bould:lol:- does not belong with the other top players, the only player on show here who was never a regular international. He would get ripped a new one by my strikers.
In general, your defence is a weak point - I cant see them dealing with the attacking threat that my team offers - a creative midfield of Barnes and Scholes supplying Waddle, Owen and Klinsmann :drool:
 
That's all very well, but we're supposed to be picking based on their PL career, not their best ever season.
 
Cal? said:
That's all very well, but we're supposed to be picking based on their PL career, not their best ever season.
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Unfortunately for you, considering your gameplan relies on Essien being a defensive beast. Time hasn't been kind on you considering Essien's been injured for the last two years and a shadow of his former self.

I went with Rood.
 
Makki said:
Unfortunately for you, considering your gameplan relies on Essien being a defensive beast. Time hasn't been kind on you considering Essien's been injured for the last two years and a shadow of his former self.

I went with Rood.
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True, but at the same time Van Persie went from sicknote #1 to one of the top strikers in the PL. Guess it balances out...
 
Cal? said:
True, but at the same time Van Persie went from sicknote #1 to one of the top strikers in the PL. Guess it balances out...
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Van Persie is a top striker when fit but still a massive sicknote.

Main thing for me is that although your front 4 are all good players, I just dont see how they are going to play together - you have pretty much got 4 forwards in the team which is never going to work - Beardsley is way out of position in the kind of midfield role you have given him.

Plus my defence is a hell of a lot stronger than yours anyway so will easily be able to deal with the attacking threat - your defence is clearly a weak point.
 
Rood said:
Van Persie is a top striker when fit but still a massive sicknote.

Main thing for me is that although your front 4 are all good players, I just dont see how they are going to play together - you have pretty much got 4 forwards in the team which is never going to work - Bearsley is way out of position in the kind of midfield role you have given him.

Plus my defence is a hell of a lot stronger than yours anyway so will easily be able to deal with the attacking threat - your defence is clearly a weak point.
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Can't see why not, Sheringham & Beardsley interchanging behind Van Persie with Ronaldo in a roaming role... Essien & Gullit providing defensive cover for Bould & Johnsen.

Referring to your comment about Bould, here's a link to his PL stats: Player Profile | Steve Bould
He's played at least 19 games (upto 33) in the first SEVEN PL seasons for Arsenal at a time where Arsenal were (most of the time) the 2nd best team in the league.

Finally, just to draw attention to Ronaldo, the guy who's the bestest player ever ever in the Premier League. The only 1 to ever win World Footballer of the Year playing in the PL.
 
Bould did a decent job for the Gooners, but my point is just that he clearly the worst player on show here by a long way - we have both got top international players all over the team and then there is Steve fecking Bould !

Michael Owen (who just happens to be in my team!) was the first player to win the Ballon D'or while playing in the Premier League so that is not true at all
 
Cal? said:
Finally, just to draw attention to Ronaldo, the guy who's the bestest player ever ever in the Premier League. The only 1 to ever win World Footballer of the Year playing in the PL.
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Rood said:
Michael Owen (who just happens to be in my team!) was the first player to win the Ballon D'or while playing in the Premier League so that is not true at all
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Hmm... did I say anything about Ballon D'Or? Ronaldo is the only player who won the World Footballer of the Year playing in the Premier League.
 
Ballon D'Or is the more respected one of the two - of course Ronaldo did win that as well, he is your most dangerous player, no argument on that but my defence is strong enough to deal with him.
 
Rood said:
Ballon D'Or is the more respected one of the two - of course Ronaldo did win that as well, he is your most dangerous player, no argument on that but my defence is strong enough to deal with him.
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No one deals with Ronaldo... (except Barca)... that's been proven down the years.
 
Cal? said:
No one deals with Ronaldo... (except Barca)... that's been proven down the years.
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Its not about 1 player, it is about the team - yours is heavy in attacking talent but lacks balance and the defence is clearly weak!
 
Rood said:
Its not about 1 player, it is about the team - yours is heavy in attacking talent but lacks balance and the defence is clearly weak!
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Can't agree with that, I have 2 midfielders who are comfortable holding the midfield, your team on the other hand has 5 very much attacking players with only Petit providing any cover for your defence.

I've the better keeper and 2 very competent center defenders, whilst you have Terry who is very good, Des Walker wasn't particularly good during his Wednesday stint. In fact I'd argue Bould & Johnsen have both had better PL careers.
 
This is how I score it ...

Van Der Saar > Southall
Babbel < Petrescu
Johnsen < Terry
Bould < Walker
Sylvinho < Staunton
Essien > Petit
Gullit < Scholes
Ronaldo > Barnes
Beardsley < Waddle
Sherringham = Klinsmann
Van Persie = Owen (only because Owen has been disappointing recently, young Owen was way better)

MY TEAM IS CLEARLY STRONGER - BETTER PLAYERS, BETTER BALANCE !
 
Rood said:
Its not about 1 player, it is about the team - yours is heavy in attacking talent but lacks balance and the defence is clearly weak!
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Actually after looking at the teams for a while though Cals has more match winners if you will, his team does lack balance. If i could change my vote I would. Sorry rood.
 
This is how I score it ...

Van Der Saar > Southall
Babbel < Petrescu
Bould < Terry
Johnsen > Walker
Sylvinho = Staunton
Essien > Petit
Gullit < Scholes
Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barnes
Beardsley = Waddle
Sheringham > Klinsmann (for his 2 seasons)
Van Persie = Owen
 
Desert Eagle said:
Actually after looking at the teams for a while though Cals has more match winners if you will, his team does lack balance. If i could change my vote I would. Sorry rood.
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that would have meant there was just 1 vote in it rather than 3 - Damn!

I think that is the problem here - people just see some of the big names on Cal's team sheet but seem to ignore just how weak his defence is - my team clearly has the better balance with quality all over the pitch.
 
Cal? said:
This is how I score it ...

Van Der Saar > Southall
Babbel < Petrescu
Bould < Terry
Johnsen > Walker
Sylvinho = Staunton
Essien > Petit
Gullit < Scholes
Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barnes
Beardsley = Waddle
Sheringham > Klinsmann (for his 2 seasons)
Van Persie = Owen
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That's untrue Rood's defence is all better.

That said I still voted Cal? because I believe more in his attack.



Edit: oh and Klinsmann over Sheringham on premier league form Rood? You must be having a laugh that is like saying Van Der Vaart is better than Sheringham because he is a big name player who had a good season at spurs.
 
FortBoyard said:
Edit: oh and Klinsmann over Sheringham on premier league form Rood? You must be having a laugh that is like saying Van Der Vaart is better than Sheringham because he is a big name player who had a good season at spurs.
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depends on what you rate it on - obviously Sherringham is the bigger PL legend and wins for longevity - but Klinsmann won Player Of The Year in one of his seasons and people often forget his come back to Spurs for another brief stint - but ye Im probably being a bit biased there!

But you are right that my defence is clearly well ahead of Cals but as usual people seem to get seduced by the big names rather than the balanced team
 
Rood said:
depends on what you rate it on - obviously Sherringham is the bigger PL legend and wins for longevity - but Klinsmann won Player Of The Year in one of his seasons and people often forget his come back to Spurs for another brief stint - but ye Im probably being a bit biased there!

But you are right that my defence is clearly well ahead of Cals but as usual people seem to get seduced by the big names rather than the balanced team
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I think there are a few other significant factors, players like Des Walker Barnes and Waddle are from a time before many people on here watched football.

Also Cal? got lucky with the improvement of some players between when we created the game and now i.e Van Persie.

I know for a fact that I had to toss-up between Anelka and Van Persie for my Striker, now days it would be no choice!

oh and Sheringham was player of the year too :angel:
 
FortBoyard said:
I think there are a few other significant factors, players like Des Walker Barnes and Waddle are from a time before many people on here watched football.
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True that - Ive gone for the old skool legends whereas Cal has names that all todays kids will know.
 
Jiggs'Hamstring said:
Bloody close. Rood gets it
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Bloody close indeed - only 1 vote in it at the moment: 17-16

2 strong teams and shame me and Cal are playing each other really but thats the luck of the draw I suppose - I know I am biased but cant believe people arent seeing the weakness of Cal's defence.

Anyway Last couple of hours left to get your votes in so get in there (as long as you are voting for me :D)
 
an own goal from Terry gives Cal's XI a 2 goal lead with just minutes of normal time remaining

squeaky bum time ...
 
I blame the referee - clearly a fix, we woz robbed !!



Semi finals coming up ...
 
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