Premier League Draft R1 - Skizzo vs Zlatan

Who will win the match?


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Team Skizzo

I've assembled a team of Premier League stalwarts who have all won major honours and many of whom have been discussed as all time legends of the Premier League Era. The team itself is a 433/4231, with a fairly direct style. All players are fairly well known, so rather than go into detail about who they are, I'll go over their credentials and why I selected chose them to be included. Between them, they have the following titles and awards:

TEAM HONOURS
Premier League Titles - 18
FA Cups - 17
League Cups - 5
Champions League - 5
PL TOTY - 8

Every player in the team has won trophies and had a consistent output at a high level. Impressive collection of awards, although with Frank Lampard and Ryan Giggs in the team, those numbers might look skewed. The numbers above however, don't include either of them. Their stats and awards are highlighted here separately.

Ryan Giggs
PL Appearances - 632
PL Goals - 109
PL Assists - 162 (Premier League Record)
PL Titles - 13
FA Cups - 4
League Cup - 3
Champions League - 2
PFA Young Player of the Year - 2
PFA Team of the Century
PFA Player of the Year - 1

Premier League Records
Most assists
Most titles
First Man Utd player to score 100 goals
Second midfielder to score 100 goals for a single club

Frank Lampard
PL Appearances - 609
PL Goals - 177
PL Assists - 102
PL Titles - 3
FA Cups - 4
League Cup - 2
Champions League - 1
FWA Footballer of the Year - 2005
PL Player of the Year - 1
PFA Team of the Year - 3
FIFPro World XI - 1
UEFA Midfielder of the Year - 2008
Chelsea Player of the Year - 3
Chelsea's All Time Leading Goalscorer

So between Peter Schmeichel, Ashley Cole, and Ryan Giggs, we have three players who make a consensus All Time PL XI. Frank Lampard is in with a shout of making it too. Frank Lampard is in the top 10 all time scorers, and Les Ferdinand is 11th.



Team Zlatan

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Shay Given - cat reaction shot stopper
Lauren - invincible
Rio Ferdinand - Rolls Royce
Philippe Albert - cult hero
Le saux - educated
Pires - invincible flair
Gilberto - invincible rock
Tugay - smoked 20 a day ledge
Kan kan - rubber smoking speed
Juninho - Brazilian baller
Fowler - 4 minute hatrick, lines for fun

Baller of a team with flair through out with Gilberto the rock in the middle.

Two centre backs able to defend or go hunting goals. Dynamic full backs supported by hard working wingers.
Pires beating men for fun, kan kan smashing left or right foot volleys. Tugay controlling the midfield and Juninho bringing all that magic and assists, Fowler will be lapping that up up top.
So many stories and heroes in this team
 


In the inaugural Premier League season, Ferdinand made a name for himself, bagging 20 league goals (only Tottenham's Teddy Sheringham scored more). These goals led QPR to fifth place - their highest ever finish in the Premier League era. It was this form that earned him his first cap for the England national team.

His debut for the Three Lions was a successful one, as he nodded home from close range to make it 6-0 against San Marino at Wembley in February 1993.

A couple of months after his England debut, Ferdinand hit his first hat-trick in English football in a 4-3 home victory against Nottingham Forest, and then followed this up with another treble against Everton at Goodison Park two days later. In doing so, he became the first of five players to score back-to-back hat-tricks in the Premier League - the other four being Ian Wright, Didier Drogba, Wayne Rooney, and Harry Kane. Decent company.

His goal tally dropped to 16 in the next season, but he soon followed this up with his best goalscoring campaign yet in the 1994/95 season. The striker netted 24 goals in 37 appearances, including a brace against Sir Alex Ferguson's Manchester United.

This was to be his last season at QPR. After nine years at Loftus Road, Ferdinand was sold to Newcastle United for £6m - to this day the fourth highest transfer fee ever received by the west Londoners. He left the Rs having bagged 90 goals in 184 outings in all competitions.

QPR never truly recovered from the sale of their star man. Ferdinand's departure saw the Hoops drop from eighth to 19th in one season, relegating them to the second tier. They wouldn't return to the top flight until 2011.

In contrast, Ferdinand's arrival at St. James' Park sparked an upturn in fortunes for the Magpies. After finishing sixth in the previous campaign, Kevin Keegan's side mounted a serious title charge, and ended the season in second place, behind Manchester United. However, they would have been disappointed with this finish, given that they were 12 points clear of the Red Devils at one point in February.

Nonetheless, the 1995/96 season was the peak of Ferdinand's career. Having scored 25 league goals, the Englishman picked up the PFA Player of the Year award, earning him an unofficial knighthood among Newcastle fans, who gave him the moniker 'Sir Les'.

For the next campaign, Shearer partnered Ferdinand up front following his £15m move from Blackburn Rovers - a then-world record fee. The two formed a lethal duo, scoring 41 league goals between them.

About halfway through the season, Kevin Keegan resigned as Newcastle manager, and was replaced by Kenny Dalglish. This, surprisingly, was the beginning of the end of Ferdinand's time on Tyneside, and it soon became clear that he would be sold in order to raise funds for new signings.

In his second and final year at the northerners, Ferdinand helped guide Newcastle to another second place finish - once again behind Manchester United - before being sold to Tottenham Hotspur for £6m, his boyhood club, having netted an impressive 50 goals in just 84 games at St. James' Park.

Unfortunately, Ferdinand's debut season at White Hart Lane didn't go as planned. Due to injury, he missed large parts of the campaign, making only 21 league appearances. It was a difficult season for Spurs, who found themselves in the relegation zone in February.

However, Ferdinand's partnership with German forward Jurgen Klinsmann helped steer the Lilywhites clear of the drop and earned him a place in the England squad for the 1998 World Cup.

His time at the north London club never really took off and in his first three seasons at White Hart Lane, he netted just 12 goals - though he did help Spurs win the 1999 League Cup, their second and last piece of silverware for the decade.

Ferdinand failed to ever again hit the heights of his QPR and Newcastle days, and despite scoring a much-improve 25 goals over the next two seasons, he wound up at West Ham where he was sampled Premier League relegation. A successful year at Leicester followed, before fleeting pit stops at Bolton, Reading and Watford took 'Sir Les' through to his retirement in 2006.

In his pomp, Ferdinand was one of the Premier League's fiercest marksman and deserves his place among the 1990s elite.
 


English football in the 1990s was at a crossroads for many reasons. At the club level, the transition from the old First Division into the other-worldly Premier League was in full swing with domestic players predominantly being moved aside for younger, flashier and outright better footballers. Gone were the days of hefty, immobile target men who held the ball up and proceeded to use their elbows in the same manner a boxer used their firsts. In came the sophisticated foreigners, with their sophisticated tactics, who in turn added a whole new dimension to the game in England.

At international level, England were transitioning out of the Bobby Robson era into the Graham Taylor one, then to the Terry Venables era and finally to Glenn Hoddle’s. Four managers, three World Cups and two European Championships in the 1990s, and while turnover of talent may have been a common thing in both the Premier League and at England, there was one player whose talents may have been lost to the decade, hidden behind the overseas imports and bigger names. This particular player spent the entirety of his 90s Premier League career at one club and played for all but two of England’s managers during the decade. Yet he is almost exclusively remembered for one thing: injuries.

Darren Anderton is one of a select group of players who will always be associated with the 90s; his curtain hairstyle, long-sleeved tops in all weather, Pony shirts with Holsten emblazoned across the midriff, tricky attackers who brushed shoulders with the likes of Jürgen Klinsmann and Paul Gascoigne. Alas, there was far more to the man than cheery anachronisms and nostalgic throwbacks.

Some may not remember Anderton’s start to life at Spurs, in which he was predominantly deployed in a frontline alongside Teddy Sheringham and Nick Barmby, but so impressive were his performances, Anderton became a fixture in Venables’ England squads. So good were his performances for England, Manchester United became interested in acquiring his services, thanks to Gary Pallister, who handed Anderton’s phone number over to Sir Alex Ferguson.

Ferguson and United were made aware of a release clause in Anderton’s contract and tried to sign him from Tottenham, but with Klinsmann, Barmby and Gheorghe Popescu all departing, Tottenham boss Alan Sugar was determined to keep his only star asset at the time and refused to let Anderton leave. Anderton signed a new contract, dismantling the aforementioned release clause, and in the process batted away the affections of Manchester United.

In the 1995/96 season, Anderton missed most of the Premier League campaign through injury, however he did make England’s Euro 96 squad, playing a big role in their historic road to the semi-final. Although history remembers it differently, he could have played an even bigger role. When you mention that fated semi against Germany, people will always remember that Gascoigne miss. They remember his blonde hair on the turf, the tears, but what they fail to recall is that England hit the post earlier in extra time. To be more precise, Anderton hit the post.

Had he scored the goal to defeat Germany, to send his country through to the final, he would’ve been the hero of the nation but, as it always seemed to work out for him, he couldn’t quite get the final piece of the jigsaw to fit. Football came home that summer, although only fleetingly, and Anderton always counts it as the most exciting time of his career. In the following 1997/98 campaign, it was back to the same old story as injuries curtailed his season, though he did make the World Cup 1998 squad, this time under Glenn Hoddle.

In 1996, Anderton was a player that Venables could rely on, and in 1998, Anderton was a player that Hoddle could rely on. For the first two games of the tournament, Hoddle did as Anderton played in place of David Beckham on the right wing, Hoddle feeling that Anderton was a better defender and was just as good at crossing.

The two did eventually play together against Colombia in the knockout round (both scoring, incidentally) and it stood as a testament for Anderton’s mentality that he was relied on by two managers who had other players at their disposal. Anderton would always give 100%, he would always be creative and industrious simultaneously and would always be there to pop up with a goal, assist or create a chance whenever it was needed. Splitting his role between an attacking midfielder and as a right-winger with a boot that occasionally switched from wand to hammer.

Go, watch some of his goals back, he had some bullets mixed in between goals that wouldn’t look out of place had they been scored by his Tottenham teammate, Klinsmann. His experience through the middle made him clinical when bearing down on goal, and even when playing in Spurs squads littered with classic footballers of the decade, such as Darren Caskey, Stuart Nethercott, Jason Dozzell, Ruel Fox, David Kerslake, Anderton still found a way to stand out.

You don’t come as close to a move to Manchester United as he did without good reason, just as you don’t play for England 30 times without one too. It’s a mighty shame that Anderton’s qualities have since been forgotten or, at the very least, been strong-armed to one side, as the defining memory of Anderton’s career became one of a plague of injuries above all else. The point remains, when Anderton wasn’t injured, he was top class. He could have played for almost every Premier League team and he certainly had the qualities to make any squad significantly better. When one manager trusts you in their line up, it’s proof a good relationship. But when multiple revered managers select you, always placing their trust in you and your ability, that speaks volumes about your talent and your qualities.

Even during the Christian Gross era at Spurs, when pushed out of the right-midfield position by Allan Nielsen, Anderton still found a way to be useful from off the bench. Teddy Sheringham took the limelight for a lot of stellar Tottenham seasons, and rightly so, but Anderton was always there to provide him chances. Jürgen Klinsmann took the goalscoring mantle off of Sheringham when the latter departed for Manchester United, yet Anderton did the same thing with Klinsmann, and again for David Ginola and Les Ferdinand, albeit in a lesser role. In 1999, Spurs’ League Cup-winning season, only Sol Campbell and Stephen Carr played more games throughout the season than Anderton.

Despite being a player remembered for his fragility, and being as stereotypical a 90s Premier League footballer as any, Darren Anderton reached the semi-finals of a European Championship on home soil; played at a World Cup; reached 30 caps for England; won the League Cup in 1999, and performed consistently in the Premier League for an entire decade, alongside legends of the division in the form of Sheringham, Klinsmann, Ferdinand, and Ginola.

If that is to be looked back upon as a bad career, then we may as well pack it all in and go home. Darren Anderton should be remembered for his professionalism and substantial qualities on the pitch, not the habits of unfortunate injuries that so agonisingly kept him off it.
 


Peter Crouch said:
Before the Champions League final we were in Portugal and we went go-karting. We went round and I come in and flew into the pit, obviously where you’re supposed to stop. I thought right I’ll just brake now. No brakes whatsoever… so I’ve seen [Xabi] Alonso and I’ve seen Kuyt and I thought who’s more valuable? So I’ve swerved into Kuyt.

Steven Gerrard said:
It was clear Alonso was royalty after our first training session together in August 2004. He was, by some distance, the best central midfielder I ever played alongside.

Roberto Mancini said:
Barcelona players are passing the ball at least 25 times to reach the goal, while Xabi Alonso is doing this all in a single pass.

John Arne Riise said:
The pass master. Nobody can pass the ball like him. I remember on his debut at Anfield, it probably took him about 39 minutes before he misplaced a pass. Unbelievable player.

Pep Guardiola said:
If we signed him to chase opponents, we should forget about him. He would be the worst player in the world. We signed him to dominate the game. Once Xabi has the ball, he is the best player.”

“He gives tempo, something only midfielders of his quality can do. There’s not much I can teach Xabi.

Pepe Reina said:
He is a quiet person and a lovely guy – a good team-mate. I don’t need to talk about him as a player; people know how good he is. He has got everything. He is one of the most complete midfielders in the world.

Jose Mourinho said:
Xabi Alonso is like a metronome, a player in the style of Xavi Hernandez. I’m sure that when he hangs his boots up he’ll be a great coach. He reminds me of Pep Guardiola when he was a player: he already acts like a coach when he is on the field.

Rafa Benitez said:
Xabi is very clever. He is good with long and short passes. He has more skill than strength and is intelligent.
 
Nice team skizzo

I think my goals are coming down your right side with Pires torturing wee brown.
Juninho in the hole is also going to cause you trouble.

and you’ve got good Ariel centre backs but there’s not going to be many balls put in the air from my team, they’ll have a torrid time against Fowler, Juninho, kanchelskis and Pires
 
This game has a number of interesting battles;

Tugay and Gilberto v Petit and Alonso
Lampard in behind or Juninho
Giggs/Anderton v Kanchelskis/Pires

@Skizzo @Zlatan 7

How will your systems work against each other?

I see Lampard running on to Les headers. Not sure Rio and Pip Albert could deal with him in the air?

I also see Keown and Hendry needing plenty of help in dealing with the pace and movement of Fowler, Pires, Kanchelskis and Juninho. That would push Gilberto and the full backs deep.
 
Nice team skizzo

I think my goals are coming down your right side with Pires torturing wee brown.
Juninho in the hole is also going to cause you trouble.

and you’ve got good Ariel centre backs but there’s not going to be many balls put in the air from my team, they’ll have a torrid time against Fowler, Juninho, kanchelskis and Pires

You too mate. Got some favourites in there, and some I picked last PL draft, so I appreciate their talents.

Hendry and Keown are both good aerially like you say, but they're also good in the tackle. I agree with you that Kanchelskis, Juninho and Pires are the creative sort, but with my center backs and Wes Brown able to be a defender first, we can settle in a bit. I'd be more concerned if those three of yours were attacking space in behind on the counter, but we definitely wouldn't plan to leave huge gaps in there. We also have Anderton and Giggs who are both hard working wingers and would assist in both sides of the game. Ashley Cole being the best left back in the draft helps nullify some threat down that side too. In fact, I think that entire left flank is probably the best in the draft, and well balanced with Petit in that zone too.

I think Les Ferdinand also poses a problem for your defense because he's pacy with the ball on the floor, can play with his back to goal, or turn and run at you. He's also dominant in the air and I think that might cause issues for you if we cross it in or from set pieces.
 
This game has a number of interesting battles;

Tugay and Gilberto v Petit and Alonso
Lampard in behind or Juninho
Giggs/Anderton v Kanchelskis/Pires

@Skizzo @Zlatan 7

How will your systems work against each other?

I see Lampard running on to Les headers. Not sure Rio and Pip Albert could deal with him in the air?

I also see Keown and Hendry needing plenty of help in dealing with the pace and movement of Fowler, Pires, Kanchelskis and Juninho. That would push Gilberto and the full backs deep.

Similar setups, and somewhat similar players in a way too. Pacy winger balanced out with a more creative one on the other flank.

I feel we cancel some of the opposition threat out by sitting deeper and drawing them out of their half. Kanchelskis' biggest threat is his pace and running on the counter, and he's up against Giggs/Ashley Cole there on that side so it slows him down considerably. Pires would look to cut in and link up, and while I think he'd work well with Juninho, with our midfielders sitting deep, Brown playing the defensive RB, and two classic center backs, it limits space they have to move the ball around in there. Alonso would sit and close the channels, and Petit would be the one more focused on tracking Juninho. He was a key part of Arsenal's lineup, as well as internationally as France won major honours.

On the flip side, Giggs running at Lauren, and Ferdinand's physical/aerial threat is an avenue that I don't see as easily nullified. Les Ferdinand can just as easily hold up the ball, flick headers down, or turn and run himself. Lampard is one of the greatest PL players at arriving late and smashing one in, or running beyond and finishing in the box. I also see Lampard getting involved more in the midfield battle than Juninho, edging an advantage our way. With Xabi, we have someone who can ping a quick release over the top and find the runners quickly for a transition.

Lastly, we have similar goal scoring rates from the strikers, although I feel we have overall more of a goal threat, and with possible fine margins on both sides, having Peter Schmeichel in one goal, and Shay Given in the other, tips another major advantage our way.
 
Similar setups, and somewhat similar players in a way too. Pacy winger balanced out with a more creative one on the other flank.

I feel we cancel some of the opposition threat out by sitting deeper and drawing them out of their half. Kanchelskis' biggest threat is his pace and running on the counter, and he's up against Giggs/Ashley Cole there on that side so it slows him down considerably. Pires would look to cut in and link up, and while I think he'd work well with Juninho, with our midfielders sitting deep, Brown playing the defensive RB, and two classic center backs, it limits space they have to move the ball around in there. Alonso would sit and close the channels, and Petit would be the one more focused on tracking Juninho. He was a key part of Arsenal's lineup, as well as internationally as France won major honours.

On the flip side, Giggs running at Lauren, and Ferdinand's physical/aerial threat is an avenue that I don't see as easily nullified. Les Ferdinand can just as easily hold up the ball, flick headers down, or turn and run himself. Lampard is one of the greatest PL players at arriving late and smashing one in, or running beyond and finishing in the box. I also see Lampard getting involved more in the midfield battle than Juninho, edging an advantage our way. With Xabi, we have someone who can ping a quick release over the top and find the runners quickly for a transition.

Lastly, we have similar goal scoring rates from the strikers, although I feel we have overall more of a goal threat, and with possible fine margins on both sides, having Peter Schmeichel in one goal, and Shay Given in the other, tips another major advantage our way.
That was a good read, thanks.

I’ll come back to it in a bit
 
Not keen on the Petit-Alonso-Lampard midfield - two no.6s and an advanced-midfielder-but-definitely-not-a-no.10. Set up as in the formation graphic would have Lampard uncomfortable and the two deeper players stepping on each other's toes. Unless Petit can play as a second function midfielder?
 
Not keen on the Petit-Alonso-Lampard midfield - two no.6s and an advanced-midfielder-but-definitely-not-a-no.10. Set up as in the formation graphic would have Lampard uncomfortable and the two deeper players stepping on each other's toes. Unless Petit can play as a second function midfielder?

I don't see much reason they'd overlap to the point where they would be detrimental to each other's game. Alonso is the primary playmaker from deep, whereas Lampard is the advanced midfielder who would operate higher up and drop deep to link play, but also be making the runs forward and beyond into the box. Petit was originally a defender before moving to Arsenal and Arsene Wenger moved him into the midfield. Technically he was sound, and could spray the ball forward while playing alongside Vieira, but here he'd be an outlet at times, primarily leaving the playmaking to Alonso. He'd be picking up the role he played for Arsenal, covering the forward runners and using his workrate to get around and break up play. He was also pretty decent going forward, and he could break forward if the opportunity arose, but it wouldn't be his primary duty.

 
At the moment I’m voting Zlatan but could be swayed.

I don’t really like the Keown and Hendry partnership at the back as neither feel stand out so to speak. I accept Schmeichel is much better than Given, with the latter being solid but nothing more.

I’m also not sure Ferdinand has that spark for me either. Neither he or Fowler pushed on to that absolute next level so to speak but Fowler did have that sprinkle of magic, even more enhanced by Juninho’s creativity, that I just don’t feel from big Les and Lampard (who in that formation looks like a 10)

Think I’d of liked to have seen Petit screening Keown and Hendry with Alonso higher up the pitch to utilise his creativity.
 
At the moment I’m voting Zlatan but could be swayed.

I don’t really like the Keown and Hendry partnership at the back as neither feel stand out so to speak. I accept Schmeichel is much better than Given, with the latter being solid but nothing more.

I’m also not sure Ferdinand has that spark for me either. Neither he or Fowler pushed on to that absolute next level so to speak but Fowler did have that sprinkle of magic, even more enhanced by Juninho’s creativity, that I just don’t feel from big Les and Lampard (who in that formation looks like a 10)

Think I’d of liked to have seen Petit screening Keown and Hendry with Alonso higher up the pitch to utilise his creativity.

The midfield three is basically as you said. Aesthetically it’s just lampard ahead as an attacking box to box, with Alonso the creative CM and Petit doing the defensive work. I think I even mentioned earlier he’s covering Juninho and that area.

Our attacking magic comes more from the wingers, with both Anderton and Giggs able to get the better of their full backs and have solid assist records. Alonso is the one to spark that from the midfield to spray passes wide to counter, with Petit also able to drop passes in behind as well for quick transitions.
 
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I don't see much reason they'd overlap to the point where they would be detrimental to each other's game. Alonso is the primary playmaker from deep, whereas Lampard is the advanced midfielder who would operate higher up and drop deep to link play, but also be making the runs forward and beyond into the box. Petit was originally a defender before moving to Arsenal and Arsene Wenger moved him into the midfield. Technically he was sound, and could spray the ball forward while playing alongside Vieira, but here he'd be an outlet at times, primarily leaving the playmaking to Alonso. He'd be picking up the role he played for Arsenal, covering the forward runners and using his workrate to get around and break up play. He was also pretty decent going forward, and he could break forward if the opportunity arose, but it wouldn't be his primary duty.



They both want to play in the same position. If Petit is in his Arsenal role, as the deepest midfielder, then he is playing in the position and in the spaces that Xabi Alonso wants to operate in and subsequently blunts his impact on the game. There is good balance stylistically, but positionally they don't fit - a Scholes, Modric or Dembele would be a better fit with Petit and a Vieira, Essien or Kante would be a better fit with Alonso.

Those two together also, as they are both no.6's, force a midfield setup with a double pivot, which means Lampard stationed in front of both and operating ahead of the play which he just does not excel at. If you had literally any of the Premier League's other big attacking midfielders - Gerrard, De Bruyne, Yaya Toure or Fabregas - then the system would at least get the best out of them despite the issues deeper in midfield. As it is, you have the weakest of that particular group of players generally (only IMO) and have not set up to accommodate him. Though it sounds a bit ridiculous, if you were looking for a player to operate higher up and make runs off and around the striker then Delle Ali or Aaron Ramsay would have actually been better!
 
Fitting for the theme though, from Mascherano to Petit.
 
Lampard in behind or Juninho

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I see Lampard running on to Les headers. Not sure Rio and Pip Albert could deal with him in the air?
Juninho naturally plays that role where he's buzzing around behind a striker or getting on the end of passes. He's a nice option as a second striker type or even operating in the hole just behind the main striker. I'm slightly biased though because I'm probably one of his bigger fans.

Lampard is a bit different for me. He's really a midfielder with more offensive duties and the bulk of his goals come from arriving late into the box and finding the net or getting on the ball and taking it forward himself but running into the spaces centrally. Playing off a striker is not something I see as his natural role but he's ok as an AM playing a bit deeper. I think the formation graphic just doesn't position him right and I think if you have him slightly deeper than where he is, there'd be less concerns.

On a slightly separate note, I think the Xabi Alonso who played in England was a bit more offensive and operated further forward than what he eventually did in Madrid and Bayern.So Petit is not a bad fit next to him and will play the DM role and allow Alonso to attack more. Once again, I think the formation graphic is more of a problem than the actual personnel in midfield.
 
Thanks for all the comments.

skizzos team looks strong and yes there’s players who’ve won trophies as he’s pointed out, it’s just lacking spark. It looks a bit flat.

lampard in the 10 role, les Ferdinand, anderton, it just doesn’t do it for me.

Fowler has that little bit of magic, Juninho definitely does and he’s positioned perfectly in my setup, tugay can produce, Pires is probably a rival to giggs as one of the best left wingers the prem has seen. I just see a lot more spark and excitement in my team.
 
tbf shouldnt have voted for skizzo as he didnt post how he intends to play, though zlatan didnt either so reckon its fine.....
how i see it, most of his attacks will go through wide areas so having Lampard in and around penalty box is very useful as he is one of the best at attacking second balls. Saying that he was at his best in arriving late(bit like Scholes) so im not sure how much threat will he have initially in the box with only really Les in there as wide players will often be too far from a 4411 formation.
 
Coming towards the end of the game with the opposition looking for a winner would play into my hands, the speed of kanchelskis on the counter and guile of Pires and Juninho is going to cause issues.

i think skizzos best chance of a goal will be a ball into the box for Ferdinand, lampards greatest threat is arriving late so he will not be in the box waiting for a cross, anderton and giggs not known for their heading ability will not be a big threat, struggle to see where a winner for skizzo would come from. Pip and Rio should handle Ferdinand between them
 
How do we think Fowler would be as a lone striker? From what I remember he was a striker with great movement and finishing, a classic little man to play off the big man. My concern is that he doesn't have the long distance pace nor physicality to play the lone striker role.
 
Thanks for all the comments.

skizzos team looks strong and yes there’s players who’ve won trophies as he’s pointed out, it’s just lacking spark. It looks a bit flat.

lampard in the 10 role, les Ferdinand, anderton, it just doesn’t do it for me.

Fowler has that little bit of magic, Juninho definitely does and he’s positioned perfectly in my setup, tugay can produce, Pires is probably a rival to giggs as one of the best left wingers the prem has seen. I just see a lot more spark and excitement in my team.


is more how my team operates. As I said before, it was positioned aesthetically, but I see where the confusion was, but Lampard isn’t a no. 10, and I explained on the thread he’s playing his attacking box to box role.

in terms of spark, Giggs is one of the best dribblers (if not the best, at his peak) on the park. Anderton kept Beckham out of the right mid spot for England, and Alonso is more able to open a defense with a quick pass than anyone else.

I also have players who not only won trophies, but who have all done it on the biggest stage and in the biggest games.

Giggs in 99,
Lampard in CL Final
Xabi in CL final
Schmeichel heroics in multiple games/finals

Les Ferdinand is also better suited to playing the lone striker role with runners from deep, rather than Fowler. Fowler played better with someone else IMO, so he could use his runs and movement to strike. As the lone forward I think he loses a lot of what made him special and gave him that spark.

Anderton’s PL stats
Appearances319
Goals37
Assists68

compared to Juninho’s
Appearances125
Goals29
Assists18

doesn’t show much difference in creating changes. Anderton did it for longer, and to players more in the fold of Les Ferdinand. Balls into the box for a powerful striker who can win headers over your two CB’s and either get them on target, or knock them down for the player who made a living arriving late on the edge of the box is a viable threat and probably the most direct, even if it’s not as exciting as someone dribbling around in a tight area.
 
I don't like doing this but I have switched my vote. The more I think about Fowler the less he is suited to a lone striker role.
 
Fitting for the theme though, from Mascherano to Petit.

Yeah, i wouldn't say Mascherano was an ideal partner for Alonso but he's not bad and Petit provides something similar. As I said, stylistically they compliment each other but positionally there's an overlap. Anyway my issue isn't really with them as a pair but in conjunction with Lampard, who cannot play as a no.10. Replace one of them with a stylistically similar no.8 and it allows you to adjust the midfield three to play a single holder behind two others, accommodating Lampard as the most advanced no.8 and maximising his abilities and tendencies.


is more how my team operates. As I said before, it was positioned aesthetically, but I see where the confusion was, but Lampard isn’t a no. 10, and I explained on the thread he’s playing his attacking box to box role.

As you have done! This is ideal for Lampard but now Xabi Alonso is in an uncomfortable position, which is a shame as I feel he is your best player, and which is why I asked if Petit had played in more of a box to box role as having Alonso in Petit's position gets the most from the two strongest midfielders and two of your stronger players overall.
 
Is he really isolated though? I don’t see it that way with Juninho. I’d of pushed the wingers on a bit though if I were @Zlatan 7 but still

Didn't Juninho normally play nominally on the right with a two striker Middlesbrough? I'm not sure he's as much of an SS that you might want.
 
Didn't Juninho normally play nominally on the right with a two striker Middlesbrough? I'm not sure he's as much of an SS that you might want.
I thought he played through the middle. He didn’t like it out on the right when o’neil played him there as it wasn’t his game
 
Good game skizzo, disappointed to lose but enjoyed the draft and creating the team
 
I thought he played through the middle. He didn’t like it out on the right when o’neil played him there as it wasn’t his game

He definitely wasn't a winger. My point was more how forward he typically played. Either way I think Fowler would want to be a in a genuine front 3 or alongside a 9.
 
Nice teams, only thing I'd say about the winning team is that Lampard for me is a 4-3-3 player and should be portrayed as such instead of in a 4-2-3-1.

The team has a nice core to replicate the Chelsea template for a 4-3-3 (mixed with Benitez's midfield template), but I do think it would be much more effective with a genuine goal scoring wide forward. Giggs is probably fine for 1 wing but someone like Salah for the other wing would be golden if moved to a 4-3-3