Premier League Draft R1 - Sjor vs Isotope

[Šjor Bepo]

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Team Sjor

Team that will both defend in a fairly normal zone(Fergie 06-12 United) and high press in the same time.
Both Robertson and Wilshere will have the freedom to push up in possession so whenever they are caught up and team lost possession then the high press starts. If there is a chance to retreat they will do that instead. Team is built to have a lot of freedom in possession with players being comfortable in possession to play little triangles between them before going to kill via one of the three elite runners of the ball - Robertson, Ole, Vardy. Whole team is very good/great on the ball so team will give a lot of time and space for runners to exploit.



Team Iso

The team with 4-1-3-2 tactic allows high ball possession, and thus high retention. The tactic overrun the opponent with six midfielders broken into two banks of three to form 2-3-3-2 when attacking (if one of fullback pushing forward, Wijnaldum will balance out by staying deeper). With the pace of Aubameyang occupying opponent defence, and Rooney’s dynamic, it opens up area for Y. Toure run through center.

In defence phase, the fullbacks track back, the three front midfielders drop in the middle to form a second line of defense, and one of the forwards drops back in the hole to form 4-4-1-1 formation.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

@Isotope @Šjor Bepo good luck

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Will iso has more superstars in the team(KDB, Rooney, Yaya etc.) i think my advantage is that every player is suited to the game i want to play, from a keeper to a striker while iso has few dodgy picks in his defence for a style he wants to implement.
From a keeper, through Azpi in a back 4(alltime great in a back 3, meh in a 4), Riise and De Gea in a possession heavy team.

 

[Himannv]

Team that will both defend in a fairly normal zone(Fergie 06-12 United) and high press in the same time.

Not sure I get it. High press is basically defending in the opponents half so I'm not sure how you can also be zonal at the same time. Do you mean to say they will hold their shape for most part while pressing?

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Not sure I get it. High press is basically defending in the opponents half so I'm not sure how you can also be zonal at the same time. Do you mean to say they will hold their shape for most part while pressing?

i probably worded it poorly
meant it will be a mix of high press and defending from a "fairly normal zone"....

Both Robertson and Wilshere will have the freedom to push up in possession so whenever they are caught up and team lost possession then the high press starts. If there is a chance to retreat they will do that instead.

 

[Himannv]

i probably worded it poorly
meant it will be a mix of high press and defending from a "fairly normal zone"....

I see. So basically, it's only a high press in the situation where the fullbacks lose the ball higher up the pitch?

 

[Himannv]

Team Iso

The team with 4-1-3-2 tactic allows high ball possession, and thus high retention. The tactic overrun the opponent with six midfielders broken into two banks of three to form 2-3-3-2 when attacking (if one of fullback pushing forward, Wijnaldum will balance out by staying deeper). With the pace of Aubameyang occupying opponent defence, and Rooney’s dynamic, it opens up area for Y. Toure run through center.

In defence phase, the fullbacks track back, the three front midfielders drop in the middle to form a second line of defense, and one of the forwards drops back in the hole to form 4-4-1-1 formation.

I'd prefer to have Rooney on the left that on the right in that graphic @Isotope - it means there's less overlap between KDB and him as they'd operate in similar spaces during the game otherwise. Also I just think Rooney is better on the left anyway although you'd sell it as more of a free role. I like the midfield in general. but dislike Auba and the defence.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I see. So basically, it's only a high press in the situation where the fullbacks lose the ball higher up the pitch?

Robertson or Wilshere but yeah, when the team loses the ball and they are up high then they press.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Ricardo Carvalho and Joe Cole show
not many can make complete clowns out of Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic.

 

[Himannv]

Robertson or Wilshere but yeah, when the team loses the ball and they are up high then they press.

Ok, I'll buy it. Interesting tactic. What was your thinking with it? Was it concern about being too open to a counter down that left flank?

EDIT: One other thing is that the two players most likely to be on the ball on that side of the pitch are KDB and Azpi - and those two are probably the best players he has at dealing with a press.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Ok, I'll buy it. Interesting tactic. What was your thinking with it? Was it concern about being too open to a counter down that left flank?

EDIT: One other thing is that the two players most likely to be on the ball on that side of the pitch are KDB and Azpi - and those two are probably the best players he has at dealing with a press.

I dont have a sitting midfielder which naturally makes the game more open so its a tactic to disrupt the flow of his attack and counter-attack. Even if we dont win the ball and we just postpone his attack or make him go back its a job done. Ideally you want the ball to go towards De Gea or Riise as in most cases thats a possession won.

Its not just a tactic when the ball is on the left, we can easily lose the ball on the right when one of Wilshere/Robertson is high up so we press there. Yeah KDB is obviously fantastic at it, not sure i agree with Azpi being that special in that regard, specially in a back 4 where there is lack of safe options compared to the back 3 system.

 

[Isotope]

I'd prefer to have Rooney on the left that on the right in that graphic @Isotope - it means there's less overlap between KDB and him as they'd operate in similar spaces during the game otherwise. Also I just think Rooney is better on the left anyway although you'd sell it as more of a free role. I like the midfield in general. but dislike Auba and the defence.

I was thinking that Auba is like Henry's lite, comfortable pulling out wide to the left, and pace to get behind CB.
Agreed that Defence is obviously not the best. I'm kinda resign that my team won't go much further because of too many upgrade is needed. Sjor has a very good team.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

De Jong has just too much defensive responsibilities to manage here. Add in some meh CBs, it's going to be leaky.

Match winning defensive line from Sjor! His tactics are confusing (to me) at best, but considering opponents defensive fragility, he'll come out in top.

 

[sherrinford]

De Jong has just too much defensive responsibilities to manage here. Add in some meh CBs, it's going to be leaky.

Match winning defensive line from Sjor! His tactics are confusing (to me) at best, but considering opponents defensive fragility, he'll come out in top.

I'm not sure Sjor's is more defensively stable really - two centre backs that don't compliment each other, no holding midfielder with Wilshere having license to get into advanced areas, Payet a passenger defensively with two strikers and Cole not exactly excelling in that sense either. Overall, Iso's front five offer more protection than Sjor's. And either Gallas or King would actually improve Sjor's defence in place of Thiago Silva.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I'm not sure Sjor's is more defensively stable really - two centre backs that don't compliment each other, no holding midfielder with Wilshere having license to get into advanced areas, Payet a passenger defensively with two strikers and Cole not exactly excelling in that sense either. Overall, Iso's front five offer more protection than Sjor's. And either Gallas or King would actually improve Sjor's defence in place of Thiago Silva.

Now you taking the piss
Can give you the first part of Wilshere, no holding mid and even Payet as passanger(though he was not a Ars Ozil level of passanger) but Joe Cole? Nah mate, Mourinho got him to work hard and he wouldnt have played so much and so good for him if he didnt.
Also, those two strikers you mention are amongst hardest workers on the pitch.

As for the CB pair, its not ideal but no fecking way it gets improved by King or fecking Gallas. Silva is one of the most complete CBs in the game, im pretty sure he would find a way to play alongside Carvalho.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Also the team can defend through longer possession spells, both teams are ordered to do so with only really one team fully be built for it.

Through todays football we all know how important keeper is to be a possession side and we also know how atrocious DeGea is in that part of the game. Then you get to a defence that is pretty mediocre on the ball, De Jong who was average and Yaya who prefers a more direct style and generally struggled when City faced a good possession side at the time which was usually in CL. One game that is locked in my memory was a CL game against BVB at Etihad where Gundogan and co. absolutely destroy them/him.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

never in doubt @Isotope , enjoy the team for at least one more game haha

 

[Isotope]

never in doubt @Isotope , enjoy the team for at least one more game haha

I was hoping you'd take me out of this misery. You can just feel that none of us will go much further anyway.

Who would you take from my team if you'd won? One of your CB is top of my list.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I was hoping you'd take me out of this misery. You can just feel that none of us will go much further anyway.

Who would you take from my team if you'd won? One of your CB is top of my list.

Probably De Bruyne though i was planning to switch towards 442 so Rooney would be an option as well.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

I was hoping you'd take me out of this misery. You can just feel that none of us will go much further anyway.

I actually liked your team a lot, with a couple of reinforcements, it could have been awesome. Really liked the De Bruyne/Yaya/De Jong roles and of course the front 2.

I only did not vote for you as I liked Bepo's defense a lot more than yours and hence called it a draw.

 

[Isotope]

I actually liked your team a lot, with a couple of reinforcements, it could have been awesome. Really liked the De Bruyne/Yaya/De Jong roles and of course the front 2.

I only did not vote for you as I liked Bepo's defense a lot more than yours and hence called it a draw.

I'm planning on changing tactic. Depends on who's available. It sounds like 4-1-3-2 would get trounced by 4-3-3.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

I'm planning on changing tactic. Depends on who's available. It sounds like 4-1-3-2 would get trounced by 4-3-3.

I'd hope you won't. I don't think you could have carved out a better role and setup for Yaya and more importantly, it's original and not a rip off like @Gio 's team. Let him win the draft, you can win hearts.

 

[sherrinford]

Now you taking the piss
Can give you the first part of Wilshere, no holding mid and even Payet as passanger(though he was not a Ars Ozil level of passanger) but Joe Cole? Nah mate, Mourinho got him to work hard and he wouldnt have played so much and so good for him if he didnt.
Also, those two strikers you mention are amongst hardest workers on the pitch.

As for the CB pair, its not ideal but no fecking way it gets improved by King or fecking Gallas. Silva is one of the most complete CBs in the game, im pretty sure he would find a way to play alongside Carvalho.

Not at all.

I wasn't disputing that your front five, with the exception of Payet, will work hard. I just didn't think you had a more defensively secure team than ISO's more compact and less top heavy unit.

I would imagine there are few around here who rate Thiago Silva as highly as I do - I believe he's one of the top five central defenders that I've ever seen, and better than Rio. But he's not what he was - nowhere near the physical specimen he used to be. Still a very good sweeper, making him an ill-suited partner for Carvalho though. If anything, I would say it's taking the piss to suggest that the version of Silva that the Premier league has seen is superior to Ledley King. And Gallas better compliments Carvalho which is why I proposed the idea that he would improve your side.

 

[Isotope]

I'd hope you won't. I don't think you could have carved out a better role and setup for Yaya and more importantly, it's original and not a rip off like @Gio 's team. Let him win the draft, you can win hearts.

man.., you and your convincing words.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Not at all.

I wasn't disputing that your front five, with the exception of Payet, will work hard. I just didn't think you had a more defensively secure team than ISO's more compact and less top heavy unit.

I would imagine there are few around here who rate Thiago Silva as highly as I do - I believe he's one of the top five central defenders that I've ever seen, and better than Rio. But he's not what he was - nowhere near the physical specimen he used to be. Still a very good sweeper, making him an ill-suited partner for Carvalho though. If anything, I would say it's taking the piss to suggest that the version of Silva that the Premier league has seen is superior to Ledley King. And Gallas better compliments Carvalho which is why I proposed the idea that he would improve your side.

Thats fair, i said in few posts earlier why i disagree. Had zero problems with that part, my problem was that King and specially Gallas would be an upgrade instead of Silva who proved in this short spell how versatile he is - back 3, back 4, deep line, high line he did it all fairly comfortably.
Yeah i get that both Gallas and King have the physical advantage but thats all they have and considering the setup with Carvaho being a very mobile CB and Neville next to Silva in a more defensive role i think Silva is far superior partner then both, though id agree that it wasnt an ideal partnership but still a damn good one in my book.