Pre Premier League Draft Round 1 - KM/Invictus/Sjor vs Gio

Who would win in the following draft game with all players at their peak?


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This is a Pre Premier League draft from 1971/72 to 1991/92 where managers assemble their squads by selecting players based on their playing performance during this time period only. Performances that fall outside this time period should not be considered. Neither should the players performance for their country/international tournaments be considered. As in any team, team tactics and balance also play a part.

Hence please carefully consider the abovesaid factors and evaluate the merits of both teams before voting for the team which in your opinion is likelier to win the match.

Team KM/Invictus/Sjor

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Team Gio

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Tactics KM/Invictus/Sjor


At leftback is Crazy Horse Emlyn Hughes: 1977 FWA Footballer of the Year, and the first Liverpool captain to lift the a European title (the 1973 UEFA Cup vs Borussia Mönchengladbach) as well as the European Cup (1997 vs. Borussia Mönchengladbach) as the highlight of 12 trophy-laden seasons. Recalled for his never-say-die attitude, galloping forays into opposition territory and frantic goal celebrations, Hughes excelled at at left-back, in midfield or at the heart of defense.



1977 Ballon D'Or:

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At the heart of defense is the proven Ipswich Town partnership of Russell Osman and Terry Butcher:

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Together, they set the defensive foundation for the club's ascent — culminating in the 1981 UEFA Cup triumph vs. AZ Alkmaar, and two consecutive runner-up finishes in the league — with Russell complementing Butcher's physically punishing style perfectly.

At rightback is Lee Dixon - a bastion of consistency at Arsenal while being named in the PFA Team of the Year twice, for the seasons 1989–90 and 1990–91. Dixon constantly supported the attacker ahead of him (Callaghan in this configuration), thus combining with him to launch attacks for Arsenal from the right side of the midfield.

On the right side of midfield is Ian Callaghan — no one has played more games for Liverpool than Ian Callaghan. Chances are, no one ever will. Fast, direct and possessing incredible stamina, he was equally proficient as a winger and as a nominal midfielder, and became an established first-team regular from the onset and it was his pinpoint crossing that supplied many a goal for the prolific strike partnership of Hunt and St John. A tireless worker with bags of energy, Callaghan peaked in 1973-74 - a campaign in which he notched his one and only senior hat-trick, overtook Billy Liddell's record of 492 Liverpool appearances, helped the Reds to a second FA Cup success and became the first Anfield player to win the FWA Footballer of the Year award.

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At left central midfield is the The Ghost Martin Peters — who offers delectable balance to the team given his versatility and ability to peel wider on occasion as well as offering elegance in distribution, creativity, strong forward runs, yet showing the stamina and discipline to get back and help the defense when required.

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Alongside Peters is one of Brian Clough's most trusted generals at Derby County and Nottingham Forest, Archie Gemmill - who also typifies the complete nature of the midfield zone with his industry, eye for pass, tenacity and tactical nous - as well as prowess on the counter-attack:



1978 Ballon D'Or:
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And completing the midfield triumvirate is David Platt. Subsequently one of the more prominent British players to go abroad and try his luck there, he is one of the greatest English players of that era. Almost led Aston Villa to an unlikely title, and was voted PFA Player of the Year award in 1989-90. All in all, Platt scored an 50 goals in 121 appearances for Villa during his stay with Villa - while carving out a reputation as a strong running, free-scoring midfielder with a good vision, technique and passing skills while boasting tireless workrate, versatility and reliability as a prolific marksman.



Partnering Mark Hughes as a striker is man who Sir Alex Ferguson wanted to sign 5 times and ended up being rejected all the times is David Hirst. One of the most two footed player of his era, Hirst will compliment Hughes beautifully and like Hughes, he also has an appetite for spectacular goals.

His goal scoring exploits for Sheffield Wednesday:



Spearheading the attack is 1989 and 1991 PFA Players' Player of the Year, and the king of volleys and scissor kicks - Sparky Mark Hughes - a mobile, combative and complete striker whose game transcended mere aggregate goal stats given his importance to the team, accurate distribution, and his ability to rise to the occasion - traits that led to a a slew of memorable and talismanic performances in high profile matches - most notably the 1991 European Cup Winners' Cup where he led the charge with explosive and dramatic goals, and just to highlight his overall game and his proficiency at holding the ball up for oncoming attackers and midfielders, the 1992 League Cup Final vs. Brian Clough's Nottingham Forest:



1991 Ballon D'Or:

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Why we should win:

1. Complete and robust midfield - in terms of both quality and structure: While Hoddle is the best midfielder on show here, you could argue that Platt wasn't far behind - and crucially, Platt edges it in terms of tenacity and defensive workrate, the completeness of his game in all phases - which will definitely matter in a game of fine margins. Add Peters and Gemmill to the equation, and that area of the park is packed to the rafters with draft, guile and tactical malleability. Also of crucial importance is the goal-grabbing ability of The Ghost and Platt.

2. Limiting the opposition's attack: pre-Marseille prime Waddle and Lennox face two of the finest fullbacks in the pool with Emlyn Hughes in particular being one of the most determined and astute defenders on show. That will inhibit the opposition to a great degree. Then you have a centerback who didn't-give-an-inch in Butcher, and Gordon Banks — his sample size is a wee bit limited compared with the half-decade from 1966 to 1971 where he was FIFA Goalkeeper of the Year time and again, but he still played 70 matches at Stoke prior to the accident which resulted in 200 stitches in his face and over 100 micro-stitches inside the socket of his right eye.


3. Vibrant attack led by one of the most mercurial attackers in the pool: In a game of fine margins, there's none better than Mark Hughes to lead the charge — twice PFA Players' Player of the Year, as complete and competitive as can be, and one of the great big-match players according to Alex Ferguson, no less:

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Tactics Team Gio

WHY WE WILL WIN:
  • It's all about getting the best out of Glenn Hoddle. First of all he benefits from the solid midfield platform ahead of the indefatigable Greig and the scheming all-rounder McStay. Secondly, he renews his superb creative partnership with Waddle from Spurs to feed a dominating right flank. And thirdly he can thread tantalising through balls into the paths of off-the-shoulder runners in Lennox and Dixon. Here he doesn't have to face a great deal of natural defensive resistance in the heart of the SIK midfield to impact the game.

  • The teams benefits from a serious core of leadership of the greatest ever 'Ger John Greig, the serial winner Richard Gough and the all-conquering-captain-at-23 Kevin Ratcliffe. The influence that central core will have on the rest of the team and the outcome of the game cannot be underestimated.

  • Defenders who can match SIK's strengths: Gough's dynamism and combativeness squares up to Hughes' robust target play well; Greig has the defensive nous and experience to track Platt's runs from deep.

  • Dixon has a good record against the Butcher and Osman partnership at Ipswich. With the service from Hoddle, Waddle and McStay here, he will be in his element.
PLAYERS:

Andy Goram
Scotland's greatest ever keeper and a legend at both Hibs and Rangers. In February 1990, World Soccer magazine stated that he had been in 'outstanding form during the last 3 years'. And in 1991 he became Britain's most expensive ever goalkeeper when signing for Rangers for £1.8m, going on to keep 25 clean sheets during his debut double-winning season. Exceptional shot-stopper with razor-sharp reflexes.

Richard Gough
Athletic and imposing, Gough was a classic attack-the-first ball centre half. His dynamism, professionalism and leadership were the bedrock behind Rangers' 9-in-a-row side during a career when he hauled in 21 trophies. Not just an SPL flat-track bully, as he twice almost won the European Cup, first with Dundee United in 1984/85 when they were edged out by Roma in a contentious semi, and second with Rangers as they were a goal away from knocking out Marseille in 1992/93. Given both clubs' form with referees and bribery at the time, he's rather unfortunate not to add a European Cup medal to that collection. Exceptional man-marker, famously shackled Van Basten at Euro '92, who also shone brightly at Spurs making the all-time XIs of the players that each of Graeme Souness, Glenn Hoddle and Gary Mabbutt have played with. Read more...

Kevin Ratcliffe
Captain of Everton at just 23, then the best team in the country, Ratcliffe's defensive prowess made a huge difference in catapulting Everton to the top of the table. His searing pace and reading of the game made him a perfect partner to the more conventional stopper Mountfield. He is a regular in Wales and Everton all-time XIs. Read more...
  • English First Division Winner 1984/85 and 1986/87
  • European Cup Winners Cup 1984/85
  • FA Cup Winner 1984
  • PFA Team of the Year 1984/85
Viv Anderson
One of the finest right-backs England has ever produced. A bedrock of Clough's great double European Cup winning Forest team, Anderson won 96% of the vote when fans voted the right-back into their greatest ever XI. Outstanding for Arsenal as well where fans who know their stuff will also rank him as their greatest ever right-back (unless you want to insert George's back 4 unit in en masse). Gangly, dynamic, defensively solid and a keen ball-carrier, Anderson was a modern yet robust full-back.
  • Notts Forest All-Time XI
  • European Cup Winner 1979, 1980
  • English First Division Winner 1977/78
  • PFA Team of the Year 1978, 1980 and 1987
Tony Dorigo
Solid left-back who was an influential figure for Aston Villa, Chelsea and Leeds. Won the Player of the Year award at all three clubs which was testament to his defensive reliability and positive contributions on the ball. Good crosser who often serviced Dixon at Chelsea. Showed an impressive peak winning the fans' player of the year award during Leeds title-winning season where his stay at Elland Road was described as a 'near-perfect six years' by the Yorkshire Evening Post.
  • Aston Villa Player of the Year 1985
  • Chelsea Player of the Year 1987/88
  • Leeds Fans Player of the Year 1991/92
  • First Division Winner 1991/92
John Greig
Voted Rangers' Greatest Ever Player, Greig was a born leader, a one-club man whose statue stands outside Ibrox today and remains the only man to have won the treble three times. A combative, commanding and energetic midfielder whose intelligence and understanding of the game enabled him to slip seamlessly across the back line as the needs of his club demanded.
  • SFWA Footballer of the Year 1975/76
  • European Cup Winners Cup Winner 1971/72
  • Multiple domestic titles and trophies
Paul McStay
Coveted by the cream of the continent, McStay's loyalty to Celtic gave him legend status at Parkhead but cost him the global legacy his ability and performances deserved. Penetrating passer of the ball who was an all-round, two-way central midfielder. Broke into a stacked Scotland midfield (Souness, Strachan, Wark, McCallister) at just 18 years old and held his place for well over a decade collecting 76 caps. Turned down repeated overtures from Trapattoni's Inter, Wenger's Monaco and Ferguson's United to stay true to Celtic despite their struggles off the park.
  • Scottish PFA Players' Player of the Year 1988
  • SFWA Footballer of the Year 1988
  • Scottish PFA Young Player of the Year 1983
Glenn Hoddle
One of the most gifted English players of all time. Technically exquisite, Hoddle's two-footedness and eyes-in-the-back-of-his-head vision allowed him to play early and penetrating passes before defences had time to react. Despite operating in the era of English football least conducive to enabling creative players, Hoddle was a sustained success, an almost ever-present in the PFA Team of the Year through the 1980s.
  • UEFA Cup winner: 1984
  • FA Cup winner: 1981, 1982
  • PFA Young Player of the Year: 1979–80
  • PFA Second Division Team of the Year: 1977–78
  • PFA First Division Team of the Year: 1979–80, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1986–87
  • PFA Team of the Century
Bobby Lennox
Celtic's greatest ever left winger. Heavy duty goalscorer from out wide scoring a whopping 234 goals during Celtic's 9-in-a-row stretch. Lennox was 27 at the start of the draft period where his record holds up well:

1971/72 - 44 games, 19 goals
1972/73 - 29 games, 17 goals
1973/74 - 32 games, 27 goals
1974/75 - 19 games, 8 goals
1975/76 - 36 games, 14 goals

That would be an impressive enough return for a centre-forward, better still for a left winger. Incidentally it's no surprise that the season Celtic's run came to an end was the same season that Lennox was missing for large parts through injury. Lennox aged better than a lot of the Lisbon Lion generation, retaining his searing pace into his early 30s owing much to both his genetic gifts and his professional attitude off the park. He was the last of that great team to retire in 1980, having scored a further 15 goals in his final campaign.

Chris Waddle
Dribbling king whose close control, invention and goal threat made him a handful for even the best opposition. Although he hit double figures 5 times out of 6 from 1983 to 1989, it was his shuffling, shimmying and almost undefendable dribbling style that stood him out from the crowd. His form in England prompted Marseille to make him the 3rd most expensive player of all time (behind Maradona and Gullit) in 1989.
  • PFA Team of the Year 1984/85 and 1988/89
  • Spurs Player of the Year 1988
Kerry Dixon
Quick and complete goalscorer who was a ruthless finisher both on the deck in the air. A Chelsea legend (they didn't have many in the 1980s) who struck up an excellent partnership with the winger Pat Nevin and the busy David Speedie. Hit his peak in the mid-1980s, scoring 70 goals in his first two seasons at Stamford Bridge, performing irrespective of the quality of the opposition netting against the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and Butcher's Ipswich, gaining a spot in the PFA Team of the Season in 1984/85. Fired another 22 goals in during the 1985/86 season before injury struck in January. Lineker's back-up for England for much of the 1980s, and unlucky to be injured after a line-leading demolition (two goals and one assist in a 3-0 win) of West Germany in 1985. Despite Chelsea's relegation in the late 1980s, Kerry fired them back into the First Division and notched another 25 goals in their first season back in 1988/89.
 
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First impression from seeing the teamsheets is that our right flank looks like it could have an influential game here. With no notional left-winger or left-sided forward to face, Viv Anderson has loads of space to receive the ball to march forward and double up with Chris Waddle ahead of him. I can see that partnership working well - both in terms of their quality at the top end of the pool, and in how they work together. The galloping Anderson could overlap the in-cutting Waddle and it allows us to put the full width of the park to its best use.
 
Good luck, @Gio! :)

And just to kick things off — the opposition centerbacks should have their hands full with the feisty duo of Hughes and Hirst. The former is the more illustrious half of the pairing and needs no intriduction, but Hirst was a fine scorer at his peak - like the 1991/92 season where he fired Sheffield Wednesday to a surprising 3rd on the table with 18 league goals:

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Hirst was often considered a rare breed of 'total striker' and was blessed with pace, height, heading, strength, dribbling, creativity and being in the right place at the right time. Although predominantly left footed, he had an excellent right foot too and scored some spectacular goals from range with both feet.
 
Got no clue which way I'm going .... good teams both.

Like K.I.S. back four and midfield and Hughes. Any reason why left side of midfield looks a bit open?

Like Gios back five and Waddle/Hoddle could cause havoc... probably need a bit more info on Greig as "new" to me.

Write up..... "2. Limiting the opposition's attack: pre-Marseille prime Waddle". :nono:
 
Like K.I.S. back four and midfield and Hughes. Any reason why left side of midfield looks a bit open?
It's more of an optical thing, I reckon - because we can only post a rigid formation - and not a Gif to show all the moving pieces in-game. There'll be plenty of positional interchange between Peters and Platt, and Peters can peel a bit wider if Anderson is carrying the ball forward - with Platt now occupying Peters' left central midfield berth. Reckon that setup ideal for Peters' game than just sticking him out wide, and also frees up Platt to attack the final third as the floating goalscoring threat behind Hughes and Hirst:

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Plus, this Schrödinger's midfielder remit offers more potential for Peters dragging Greig wider, or perhaps keeping Anderson on his toes a bit - as they'll both have to be mindful of Peters' positioning. Just think the stealthy hybrid role suits the game of someone nicknamed The Ghost. :wenger:
Martin scored by stealth, using his brain and speed of thought. He played with his wit and intelligence. He knew when his marker wasn’t looking and when the space behind him was free.

- Steve Perryman
 
Viv Anderson could be a key figure tactically today:

Choosing the best right-back he's played with or against, and one to complete a back four already comprising Franco Baresi, Paulo Maldini and Kenny Sansom, Tony Adams said:
Tony Adams said:
He was really determined and one of the most difficult and strongest players I’ve had to play with and against. Viv showed me how to be professional. And he’s got two European Cup winner’s medals too – enough said.
Graeme Sharp (also when choosing him as part of the best XI he faced or played with):
As a centre-forward, you’re always told to pull away to the back post because the full-backs are generally small, but you couldn’t really do that with Viv because of his height. When he was at Forest and Arsenal, he was the best right-back in the country. He loved to get forward and score goals.
And don't forget the much missed storey and his consistently accurate take on the English game.
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Look, if you have midget fullbacks it will be targeted. Viv Anderson is the best ever right fullback in the top division, he could attack like a winger, tackle like a rightback and defend like a CB.
the great Viv Anderson (best RB I've seen in the top flight by a country mile).
Regardless of whether you agree with that take or not, it's clear he is well placed to make a big impact, get early delivery into Dixon to attack, and will allow Waddle the chance to get 1v1 with his full-back.
 
While Anderson will occasionally have a bit of room to run into, we think we should have a reasonably firm grasp on proceedings down that flank for the most part. Anderson is no more likely to be a major factor here in terms of offensive quality as a rightback from a tactical perspective than say Callaghan vs. Dorigo from a qualitative perspective (the latter was a good player, but Callaghan has the most appearances for Liverpool and starred in some of the most dominant teams they had):


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Ian Callaghan

Win ratio: 52.98% W:454 D:217 L:186
Honours: League Championship 1963/64, 1965/66, 1972/73, 1975/76, 1976/77; Second Division 1961/62; FA Cup 1965, 1974; European Cup 1977, 1978; UEFA Cup 1973, 1976; FWA Footballer of the Year 1974
LFC league games/goals: 640 / 49
Total LFC games/goals: 857 / 68

Player profile
When Billy Liddell was retiring he was asked if Liverpool had in their ranks a worthy successor. Liddell didn’t harbour any doubts: “There is a 17-year-old called Ian Callaghan who looks like taking over from me. I played with him twice, watched his progress and I believe he’ll be a credit to his club, the game and his country,” he stated at the time. Callaghan played his first game only six days after his eighteenth birthday replacing his boyhood hero Liddell. Liverpool beat Bristol Rovers 4-0 but Callaghan’s performance captured the imagination. When the final whistle went 27,000 spectators gave him a standing ovation along with both set of players as well as the referee! The headline in the Daily Post read: “A Callaghan debut to remember.” In the Daily Express Graham Fisher wrote: “For Liverpool right winger Ian Callaghan, veteran of four Central League games, he just ended the most accomplished League debut I’ve had the pleasure to witness.”

Shankly did not though want to rely on such a young man so soon and bought Kevin Lewis before the start of the 1960/61 season. Lewis scored 22 goals in 36 games and Callaghan had to bide his time. Liverpool got promoted in 1961/62 and from November that season he was finally a regular and stayed that way for the next 15 years! During the first part of his career Callaghan played on the right wing with Peter Thompson on the left. They were a dangerous duo and created a number of goals for Roger Hunt and Ian St John. Callaghan only stood 5 ft. 7 in. (170 cm.), but he was blessed with great speed. “I used to take the full-back on and get to the byline. That was my strength.” When Dixie Dean was asked if he could have repeated his record of scoring 60 League goals in one season in modern football he answered: “If I could play between Ian Callaghan and Peter Thompson I’d still get my 60 goals a season.”

No one can forget when Callaghan created St John’s winning goal in the FA Cup final 1965. The game stood at 1-1 in extra-time after goals from Roger Hunt and Billy Bremner. Callaghan crossed from the right and St John headed into the net. Liverpool’s first FA Cup trophy win is Callaghan’s favourite memory: “First has to be Wembley ‘65 and Liverpool lifting the FA Cup for the first time. It was also my first appearance at the stadium and I had a hand, or rather a foot, in the winning goal.” This historic FA Cup win came between two Championships in 1964 and 1966. This was the golden age of Bill Shankly’s 60’s side. “Ian Callaghan is everything good that a man can be. No praise is too high for him,” Shankly said. “He is a model professional, and a model human being. If there were 11 Callaghans at Anfield there would never be any need to put up a team sheet. You could stake your life on Ian. Words cannot do justice to the amount he has contributed to the game. Ian Callaghan will go down as one of the game’s truly great players.”

In the 1970/71 season Callaghan underwent a knee operation and Brian Hall took his place on the right wing. When Callaghan returned Shankly moved him to the centre of midfield prolonging his Liverpool career by seven years. Callaghan’s great reading of the game and incredible workrate made him ideal for this position. Callaghan set a new record of appearances for Liverpool on 15 August 1972 breaking Billy Liddell’s long standing club-record of 534. Three championship medals; in 1973, 1976 and 1977, followed. Callaghan played in four FA Cup finals, winning in 1965 and 1974, but finished on the losing side in 1971 and 1977. He won the UEFA Cup twice; in 1973 and 1976. In 1977 Liverpool won the European Cup for the first time after beating Borussia Mönchengladbach 3-1 in Rome and celebrated their second European win in 1978. Callaghan had lost his place to Graeme Souness but he was on the bench in the Wembley final. That was to be the last time his name appeared on Liverpool’s team sheet. He had gone through the whole of his Liverpool career without being sent off or even booked when the referee took his name down in Callaghan’s penultimate game for Liverpool in March 1978. In September 1978, after 19 seasons with Liverpool, Callaghan called it a day at the club having enjoyed the summer in the States on loan at Fort Lauderdale. On his return Callaghan signed for John Toshack’s Swansea where he played with Tommy Smith. In 1981 Callaghan was going to retire following a short spell in Ireland but was persuaded by his old mate, Alan A’ Court, who was assistant manager at Crewe, to share his experience in the game. Callaghan stayed five months there before he did his Achilles tendon and retired two months short of his fortieth birthday.

Ian Callaghan boasts without a doubt one of the most remarkable careers of any player in Europe past or present. He was the epitome of the professional footballer and is a gentleman off the field. He is the club’s record appearance holder with 857 games and was the first Liverpool player to be voted Footballer of the Year, in 1974. Strangely enough he only played four times for his country. He was part of the World Cup-winning team in 1966, playing one game, but incredibly 11 years passed from his second to his third cap. On 10 June 2009 Ian Callaghan was finally presented with a World Cup winners’ medal at a special ceremony in London nearly 43 years after the event. When Liverpool won the European Cup for the first time in 1977 Callaghan was the only player who had also played Liverpool’s first European game in 1964. Charles Lambert, an Echo reporter, gave Callaghan this praise. “As great a Liverpool institution as the Mersey Ferries.” All things considered it is highly unlikely that Ian Callaghan’s record of games played for Liverpool will ever be broken.
And our strike duo has a greater chance to evade their markers than Kenny Dixon vs. Osman and Butcher — so both teams have relative advantages.

Also, when Peters pulls wider to try and contain Anderson, he will be backed up by a true Liverpool legend and one of the elite players of this pool :
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Emlyn Hughes

Win ratio: 53.08% W:353 D:179 L:133
Honours: League Championship 1972/73, 1975/76, 1976/77, 1978/79; FA Cup 1974; European Cup 1977, 1978; UEFA Cup 1973, 1976; FWA Footballer of the Year 1977
Total games/goals opposite LFC: 6 / 1
LFC league games/goals: 474 / 35
Total LFC games/goals: 665 / 49

Player profile

Hughes was one of the most enthusiastic players ever to pull on a Liverpool jersey, fiercely strong and with immense stamina. Shanks saw Hughes play in one of his first games for Blackpool and offered £25,000 for him immediately. Blackpool were not keen on selling him but manager Ron Suart promised Liverpool first refusal if Hughes ever became available. Shankly phoned Hughes every Sunday morning to tell him he'd be a Liverpool player soon. "I'd be just about to make short work of a plate of eggs, bacon and black pudding when the phone would ring. It would be Shanks," Hughes said. 'Hey, Emlyn, son, don't eat that stuff you've got on your plate there. I'll be signing you shortly. I want you lean and hungry, son. Lean and hungry!' Today, thirty years later, I still associate the smell of bacon frying with the telephone ringing at 8.30 sharp on a Sunday morning." Legendary Blackpool player and journalist Jimmy Armfield interviewed the young Emlyn when he had been a professional footballer for 12 months and was very impressed by his dedication. "This boy, Emlyn Hughes, is a first class example of how all young lads should set about learning the game at professional level. He knows that there is a big difference between being a schoolboy star and playing professionally and is willing to learn from every source of advice open to him. He really lives for football and doesn't complain about the rigid self-discipline he has had to impose upon himself in his private life away from the ground. All the best players have started like that, and, most important, have kept it up all their playing days. To get to the top you cannot do the job half-heartedly."

When Suart was sacked in February 1967 Liverpool knew they had to react quickly. Suart wasted no time in serving as an intermediary between Shankly and Hughes contacting his former player the day after his sacking to advise him to join Liverpool. Shankly finally got his man but for a considerably higher fee of £65,000. Hughes recalls the most important day of his career in an interview with Shankly.com in 1999: "We had to get to Lytham St Anne's to complete the signing so I could play straight away in Liverpool's next match and Shanks drove us both down there. It's only about ten minutes from Bloomfield Road, but he was the worst driver in the world. He had this old brown Corsair and just as we left the ground he half went through a set of lights and a woman shunted into the back of us and smashed all the lights in. Next thing, a police car flags us down and the young officer comes up to the car and Shanks winds down the window. 'What is it officer?,' he asked, 'I'm sorry sir you can't continue the journey in that car as you've got no lights.' said the policeman. 'Do you know who's in this car?,' said Shanks, and I thought he was doing the old 'do you know who I am routine.' 'No', said the officer, 'I don't recognise you.' 'No not me you fool,' he said, 'I've got the future captain of England alongside me.'"

Shanks threw Hughes straight into the side and he played ten first division games before the end of that 1966/67 season, mostly at left-back. The Kop took him quickly to their hearts and he got the nickname "Crazy Horse" after he rugby-tackled Newcastle's forward Albert Bennett, who was slipping through his grasp, in his fifth game for Liverpool. Hughes revealed in his autobiography that Shanks had inspired him to do something special in this game: "Shanks took me to one side and said, 'The crowd are looking for a new name to take to. They need a new hero after the sixties side. They want someone to take over as their own. Go out and give them something to remember you by." Hughes duly obliged! Hughes took over Willie Stevenson's left-half position in the following season and was not only a hit with the Anfield crowd, but also with the girls as he was voted the most attractive Football League player at the end of the 1968/69 season, polling 5,000 more votes than second place, receiving 36,000 votes in total. Hughes' strong runs from midfield made numerous openings for his colleagues, although he possessed a venomous shot which brought him nearly 50 goals as a Liverpool player. His goal celebrations were usually a sight to behold as he ran the length of the field like a wild man, displaying his great love for the game.

Hughes' Liverpool career started alongside most of the names that had brought the club so much success in the mid-60's like Ian St John, Ron Yeats and Roger Hunt but he was never going to be one of the casualties in Shankly's 70's clearout. Shankly knew what a gem he had found and his was one of the first names on the teamsheet. The 1972/73 season was the big breakthrough for Hughes and Liverpool. After narrowly missing out on honours the previous two seasons, beaten by Arsenal in the cup final and being deprived of the League Championship again by Arsenal in the final fixture of 1971/72, the Reds gained ample compensation by winning the title after a seven-year absence and also collecting their first European trophy, the UEFA Cup. Hughes played in an astonishing 65 competitive games for Liverpool that season but never openly displayed any signs of real tiredness. In fact, Hughes' enthusiasm knew no bounds. "I have played at Spurs on a Saturday afternoon, caught the train to Liverpool and then driven north to Barrow late on Saturday night in order to turn out for a Sunday League team," Hughes said in this book "Crazy Horse". "I did that run when I was a current England international. If the authorities would have found out I would have been in terrible trouble, but I has so much extra energy that after those Sunday morning matches I was looking for a game of tennis in the afternoon."

Hughes played in midfield until 1973/74 when he moved to centre-half alongside Phil Thompson. They formed an innovative partnership, building Liverpool's attacks from the back by passing to the midfield instead of hoofing the ball upfield. Hughes was made captain instead of Tommy Smith, a fact that Smith resented. "It was my club. I'd been there a damn sight longer than him," Smith told the Telegraph. "Everything in my life was football, especially Liverpool, so why should I let this two-faced little so-and-so spoil my football life? But I did not entertain him, or speak to him off the pitch. Never." Bob Paisley didn't seem too fond of Hughes either but obviously rated him as a player: "Emlyn always struck me as a player who could have been an even better one if he had been a slightly different personality. He always liked to be King of the Roost," Paisley said in "My 50 Golden Reds". "They called him Crazy Horse on The Kop. But that was one of the more complimentary nicknames that Emlyn Hughes won for himself during his time at Anfield. I’m not giving away any great secrets of the Boot Room when I say he wasn’t – and still isn’t the most popular former player to have left Liverpool. Some of his teammates weren’t that fond of him and one of them, Tommy Smith, absolutely hated him. Smithy and Hughes never spoke to each other. I had to speak to them both when all the trouble was brewing up but it never mattered to me if players got on like a house on fire or if they couldn’t stand the sight of each other, as long as they didn’t let their personal feelings spill over onto the pitch."

The honours kept coming: the FA Cup in 1974, another League / UEFA Cup 'double' in 1976 and then finally in 1977 the biggest prize of all, the European Cup won in Rome and collected - as so aptly put by commentator Barry Davies at the time - by the man wearing 'the smile of the season'. He was also honoured by the sportswriters as their Footballer of the Year. Hughes was a versatile player equally at home in a full-back position, where he was often used by England, as a central defender or maybe his best years at Anfield were when he was surging through from his midfield position? Hughes was still skipper when the European Cup was retained at Wembley in 1978 but as his thirtieth birthday approached he could no longer be sure of his place in the side. Alan Hansen had taken his place, but Hughes could also feature at left-back in Alan Kennedy's absence. In August 1979, after twelve and a half wonderful years as a Liverpool player, he made the decision to move to Wolverhampton Wanderers, receiving a rapturous welcome when he returned to Anfield with his new club and also finishing his first season at Molineux by receiving the Football League Cup, just about the only trophy he hadn't won as a Liverpool player.

Hughes moved on to Rotherham as player-manager and proudly brought his team over to Anfield for a League Cup tie in November 1982, which the Reds only won thanks to Craig Johnston's late strike. He also had brief spells with Hull City, Mansfield Town and Swansea City but never approached the success as a manager that he had enjoyed as a player. As he passed his fiftieth birthday, Hughes was working as hard as ever with his business interests but always talked with enormous affection about his time on Merseyside. Very few men ever reached the heights that Emlyn Hughes did as a footballer and there is no doubt that he deserves to be in any "Hall of Fame" for what he achieved for the club he served so loyally and for so long. One of Liverpool's greatest players, his glorious career for the Reds boasted 665 games, 49 goals, four League titles, the FA Cup, two UEFA Cups and two European Cups. Hughes passed away on 9 November 2004, at the age of 57 from a brain tumour.
 
While Anderson will occasionally have a bit of room to run into, we think we should have a reasonably firm grasp on proceedings down that flank for the most part. Anderson is no more likely to be a major factor here in terms of offensive quality as a rightback from a tactical perspective than say Callaghan vs. Dorigo from a qualitative perspective (the latter was a good player, but Callaghan has the most appearances for Liverpool and starred in some of the most dominant teams they had):
In terms of overall contribution to English football then I can see your point on Callaghan. But I don't think he really hit a level beyond what Dorigo delivered in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I mean Dorigo has more England caps than Callaghan and he's not even English!

And our strike duo has a greater chance to evade their markers than Kenny Dixon vs. Osman and Butcher — so both teams have relative advantages.
I'm not sure about that. Hughes and Hirst are up against a better quality of centre-half. Butcher is clearly a big hitter in the pool, but Gough was a higher calibre defender. Speaking as a Rangers fan who saw them both at the club and in the same defence, I can vouch for that. And there are plenty of ex-pros who rank Gough as good as it gets amongst British defenders of the era.

Same for Ratcliffe versus Osman. Ratcliffe was a higher quality defender and contributed more at the top level. Where I feel you could be quite vulnerable is Lennox bombing inbetween Osman and Dixon, with his searing pace and eye for a goal.
 
Interesting match. I like KIS's defense a lot - the Ipswich pairing is a great underrated pairing and Platt and Gemmill is a great midfield but I don't know much about Callghan, Peters and Hirst.
Likewise on Gio's side I like the Hoddle-Waddle-Dixon trio but not sure about Dorigo, Gough and Ratcliffe either. I'll have to read up and try to check a video or two.
 
In terms of overall contribution to English football then I can see your point on Callaghan. But I don't think he really hit a level beyond what Dorigo delivered in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I mean Dorigo has more England caps than Callaghan and he's not even English!
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Yeah, remember him from this match for England:

 
@Gio John Greig in centre mid?
Yeah, that's where he spent the bulk of his career. Started initially at inside-right, moved to right-half, then moved into defence more later on in the mid-to-late 1970s, and was always able to plug gaps across the back line throughout his time at Ibrox. He scored 120 goals for Rangers which reflects his shooting ability but also that he didn't just play in defence (because otherwise he'd have been the highest scoring defender of all time, until Koeman came along anyway).

Thumping long-range drive


Starting this move in his box and finishing it in Celtic's:


This goal against Italy in (out of scope, but worth showing the style of midfielder he was):
 
Interesting match. I like KIS's defense a lot - the Ipswich pairing is a great underrated pairing and Platt and Gemmill is a great midfield but I don't know much about Callghan, Peters and Hirst.
Likewise on Gio's side I like the Hoddle-Waddle-Dixon trio but not sure about Dorigo, Gough and Ratcliffe either. I'll have to read up and try to check a video or two.
Well, we've posted a tl;dr copy + paste job on Callaghan here: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pre...km-invictus-sjor-vs-gio.438099/#post-22432478

Wrt. Peters...
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MARTIN PETERS
1970 - 1975
Achieved lifetime legendary status by scoring in the World Cup Final against Germany in 1966 aged just 23, Peters spent 10 years at West Ham before switching to the Lane in 1970.

It was as an attacking, creative midfielder that Peters truly made his mark on the English game. Tall, lean and blessed with great timing, he would often ghost, unmarked, into forward positions to get on the end of crosses. Excellent with either foot, he also scored many goals with his head and, as England manager Alf Ramsey famously once said in 1966, he was '10 years ahead of his time'.

Peters joined us in March 1970 for a record £200,000 with Jimmy Greaves going the other way.

Still just 26, he had won 33 caps before he arrived in N17 and he went on to add another 34 while a Spurs player.

A member of our League Cup successes in 1971 and '73 (the latter as skipper) and the UEFA Cup triumph in 1972, Peters made 287 league and cup appearances for us before moving to Norwich City in 1975 where he went on to make another 200 appearances.

Back on the international scene, he played in the 1970 World Cup tournament, scoring in the ill-fated quarter-final 3-2 defeat by West Germany.

He ended his playing days with Sheffield United, where he was player/manager, in 1981, taking his career appearances past the 700 mark.
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/history/past-players/martin-peters/

And not that it matters for this theme, but just to prove his credentials as a floating left sided midfielder, this is where he played under Alf Ramsey when England won the World Cup:

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And Arsenal fans of a certain age might remember this Hirst goal:



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Cult Heroes; every club has players from the past who particularly stand out and are remembered for many reasons. A cult hero can be admired by a large or relatively small audience, but remains influential all the same.

Here at Shoot!, we want to give these players the appreciation they deserve.

This week, Louis Shackshaft has taken a look back at former Sheffield Wednesday striker David Hirst.


Born in Barnsley, Yorkshire, Hirst was part of the England Under-21, England-B and full England international set-up throughout his career. He earned three caps for his country, finding the net on one occasion against New Zealand.

David was an ‘all-rounder’ in terms of ability. With pace, dribbling skills, height and an aerial presence, he was a manager’s dream. Hirst was renowned for scoring goals and could do so with both feet, although he was predominantly left footed.


Sheffield Wednesday’s David Hirst and John Harkes (right) celebrate.

The 5ft 11in marksmen had a career span of over 15 years. Hirst made his name at Barnsley after contributing with nine league goals in 28 appearances after signing for the Tykes professionally as an 18-year-old.

Having made such an impact at a young age in the second division, Hirst began to attract some serious attention. Under then manager Howard Wilkinson, Sheffield Wednesday signed Hirst on August 11, 1986, for £250,000.

Hirst’s debut came in the first game of the 1986-87 season in a 1-1 draw against Charlton Athletic at The Valley. Furthermore, a week later Hirst made his mark in a fixture against Everton at Hillsborough. The Owls number nine found the net just a few minutes after arriving on the field of play as a substitute in front of 33,000 spectators. His legendary status had began.

Hirst quite amusingly scored and kept a clean sheet in the same match against Manchester City in 1989-90 campaign. Having already scored, the Owls front-man replaced an injured Kevin Pressman in the sticks. Wednesday ran out 2-0 winners. A fixture still remembered by many Wednesdayites.

Due to Hirst’s prolific goalscoring record, Sir Alex Ferguson tried to lure the Wednesday forward to Manchester United on a couple of occasions in the early 1990’s for a fee reported to be £3 million. However, the offers were rejected and United subsequently signed Eric Cantona instead.

In September 1996, Hirst found himself in the record books after hitting the fastest shot recorded against Arsenal at Highbury. The speed of the shot recorded was 114mph!

The Sheffield Wednesday talisman became a S6 marvel, spending a total of eleven years at the club. In this period, Hirst scored a remarkable 106 league goals in 294 appearances and was part of the winning team that won the League Cup in 1991 in a 1-0 victory over Manchester United.



In addition, the Owls striker helped Sheffield Wednesday reach both of the domestic cup finals in 1993, both against Arsenal. However, he was on the losing team each occasion despite scoring in the FA Cup final.

The Wednesday faithful continue to idolise Hirst and he has gone down in Wednesday folklore as one of the best players ever to grace the Hillsborough turf.

After re-occurring injury problems, Hirst was sold by manager David Pleat to Southampton for £2 million in October 1997. In 30 appearances, Hirst managed to score nine league goals, before retiring in January 2000 at the age of 32 as injuries continued to take their toll.

Everyone associated with Sheffield Wednesday would like to thank David for the memories he gave us throughout the late 1980’s and 1990’s. Those memories will live with us forever.
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@Gio greig always gets put as a defender in any rangers/SPL xi
True. Think it can be more down to more competition in midfield and not quite the same top-quality options in defence. He had a couple of really good campaigns at left-back as well so he'd always be a viable option there. Although his shooting and box-to-box game was clearly top class, I suppose it was his off-the-ball work - his leadership, tenacity, ball-winning, man marking - that really made him stand out - so I can see why he'd get shunted back in fantasy XIs.
 
Good info on Peters and Callaghan. I would tend to agree that you have a quality advantage with Callaghan > Dorigo though I do think Viv looks poised to have a good match tactically.

I have no recollection of opposition goals really (I think its intentional forgetfulness ;)) but this made me laugh
@Gio quotes peterstorey and now you quote "John" on Hirts :lol:

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Greig's partner in the centre of midfield is Paul McStay. Can see them forging a solid and dominating platform for Hoddle.
Coveted by the cream of the continent, McStay's loyalty to Celtic gave him legend status at Parkhead but cost him the global legacy his ability and performances deserved. Penetrating passer of the ball who was an all-round, two-way central midfielder. Broke into a stacked Scotland midfield (Souness, Strachan, Wark, McCallister) at just 18 years old and held his place for well over a decade collecting 76 caps. Turned down repeated overtures from Trapattoni's Inter, Wenger's Monaco and Ferguson's United to stay true to Celtic despite their struggles off the park.

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Brendan Rodgers said:
Paul was absolutely unique. He always lit up the game in difficult situations.

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4.50 - Interception from Souness' pass to burst into the box
7.47 - Intercepts Roberts' pass and releases McAvennie through the middle
13.37 - Nice through ball inside the right-back
14.15 - Turn and through ball to slice Rangers' defence to ribbons
16.37 - Picks up second ball and turns away out of pressure



I'm not sure if @Pink Moon has anything to add on the boy.
 
I love the weight and vision of these passes. It's rare he's scanning the field under no pressure - usually he's got a player on his arse, often facing away from the attack, then has to dig out an inch-perfect ball off either foot in a crowded mudbath of a pitch.

 
Well this one is tough to separate.

Really like Gio's midfield set up and flanks. Brings out the best out of Hoddle to run the game.

On the other hand KIS proven CB pair and Hirst/Sparky attack also seems easy on the eye as well as some real quality in the middle of the park, although requiring a bit more imagination of their roles and movement across the pitch.
 
Im first to admit i know feck all about half of Gio's team but where i can see our advantage is that we have 6 players in front of our back 4 that will graft and work without the ball, both on and off possession while gio has Hoddle who is a bit of a lazy bastard without a ball, genius with one though but in a tight game it might be more tricky for gio. Specially considering the quality of our midfield and the number advantage, can see his midfield struggle a bit against our triangles in the middle.
 


i know international performances dont count but this is just to show what type of player he was if some are unfamiliar with him, great little player.
 
Im first to admit i know feck all about half of Gio's team but where i can see our advantage is that we have 6 players in front of our back 4 that will graft and work without the ball, both on and off possession while gio has Hoddle who is a bit of a lazy bastard without a ball, genius with one though but in a tight game it might be more tricky for gio. Specially considering the quality of our midfield and the number advantage, can see his midfield struggle a bit against our triangles in the middle.
I see what you’re saying and nicely put about Hoddle :lol:

But in fairness to the big languid fecker he regularly played in midfield twos, such as with Robson for England. And you could just never carry someone in a two-man central midfield partnership. So I wouldn’t be too concerned there. I have tried to give him and Waddle a better platform than they would have had in a conventional 4-4-2 set-up.
 
I see what you’re saying and nicely put about Hoddle :lol:

But in fairness to the big languid fecker he regularly played in midfield twos, such as with Robson for England. And you could just never carry someone in a two-man central midfield partnership. So I wouldn’t be too concerned there. I have tried to give him and Waddle a better platform than they would have had in a conventional 4-4-2 set-up.

Love Hoddle to bits tbh but he is the sort of player you would pay to watch even in training let alone in games but wouldnt really want in your team(assuming the team is competitive at highest level obviously).
There is no issue with Hoddle though, im just looking at small details and trying to find little pockets where our team could find advantages in a tight game.

PS: this just reminded me of Reid speaking about Diego goal, butcher in the story as well though:o
 
and just to finish my little cameo, gio is a fantastic draft manager but he is way out of his depth here as this time he is against this guy and unlike United we actually managed to provide him his dream duo up front in Hirst and Hughes.
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Short article on Gemmill and his time at Derby County:

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Oh well, not much time left on the clock. Good luck with the rest of the draft, @Gio — wish we weren't drawn against EXPERT mode (in a British theme, no less) from the onset. :lol:
 
I love the weight and vision of these passes. It's rare he's scanning the field under no pressure - usually he's got a player on his arse, often facing away from the attack, then has to dig out an inch-perfect ball off either foot in a crowded mudbath of a pitch.


Liked that video.

Someone does that nowadays (say a De Bruyne or Modric) and we're falling all over them? Amazing how many really good players there were.... and how little impact the national teams had
 
Well I haven't felt this good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978.

Oh well, not much time left on the clock. Good luck with the rest of the draft, @Gio — wish we weren't drawn against EXPERT mode (in a British theme, no less) from the onset. :lol:
Cheers. You had a really solid team from back to front (especially the midfield trio :drool:) so I wouldn't have been surprised to have gotten edged out here.
 
Just our luck to get matched up against someone like Gio. Best of luck for the tournament!
 
Apologies with all the Wenger leaving talk I forgot to vote in this match
 
Both great teams and unlucky to face each other. At this time I had a slight preference to Gio's team, but couldn't really fault either side.