Possibility of loaning players to Ajax

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Barcelona have just signed an agreement with Ajax to loan young players to the Eredivise side, and Frank de Boer has suggested a similar deal could be struck with United as well;

From Mohamed Moallim (Dutch football journalist):

Mohamed Moallim ‏@jouracule 25m said:
Isaac Cuenca won't be the last Barça player loaned to Ajax (agreement in place). Fd Boer: "He will go back with enthusiastic stories."
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Mohamed Moallim ‏@jouracule 24m said:
Fd Boer and Overmars connection with the Catalan club makes the process easier. And something similar could happen w/ Man Utd (Van der Sar).
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Mohamed Moallim ‏@jouracule 23m said:
FdB: "If a MUFC talent prefers to gain experience with us (at Ajax) rather than in the Eng 2nd tier, can be a very interesting option."
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Mohamed Moallim ‏@jouracule 22m said:
Meulensteen: "For our younger players it wld be a good idea, rather play at Ajax than in the C'ship, I'll keep Edwin informed." [ad] #mufc
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I know it's only gossip, but I'd be all in favour, even if they don't get much first team playing time, training with Ajax would be a great opportunity for youngsters coming through the ranks
 
Rene talks a lot these days doesnt he?

And Ajax are a class club. Would be a real education for some of our youngsters to play there.
 
Much better, I never liked the idea of loaning players to lower divisions anyhow. The market value is important for young players who inevitably will be loaned out for 2-3 years. Getting game-time in Ajax and doing well may very well mean their next season is at an even greater club or at least they may have an even stronger second season in Ajax.

Even if you do absolutely brilliantly in the championship it is unlikely that your "market value" rises as much.
 
Ajax have an excellent academy. I'd be delighted if some of our players had the chance to benefit from that.
 
Not many clubs to which I'd rather prefer sending out our players to.

Ajax are top dogs at youngsters.
 
Are we really going to have many young players who are good enough to get enough games for Ajax for the loan to be worthwhile but not quite good enough to be squad players for us?
 
Would the players get the necessary game time though? Especially if Barcelona are also sending thier young prospects there?
 
Remember us having a agreement with PSV a while back in Holland. Then NEC, then Twente and now Ajax ?

Really only David Jones went there from what i can recall. Gladstony too twente to, but that was more the Traffic/Desportivo partnership and a youth move.

Still if we can send a few youngsters over to train for a while and 1/2 to get some game time, it would be good.
 
Brophs said:
Are we really going to have many young players who are good enough to get enough games for Ajax for the loan to be worthwhile but not quite good enough to be squad players for us?
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Fergus' son said:
Would the players get the necessary game time though? Especially if Barcelona are also sending thier young prospects there?
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Yeah. Though it'd be nice to send them to a team of that standard, it is highly unlikely they would get enough game time to make it worthwhile as opposed to sending them to a Championship side where they can play regularly.
 
If I'm not mistaken you take part in many more training sessions than you do competing against other teams. Ajax only have the top youth coaches around plus people like the de Boer brothers and Bergkamp in training and Overmars and VDS close by as well. Can't think a loan spell there would be a waste for a player like Büttner for example.

Also imaging what Bebe would become!
 
Not to reopen the whole Pogba meltdown from some but he would have got the games he wasn't getting here. Wouldn't have shipped him off on his last contract year but the one before, definitely.

Not sure I would send Bebe to Amsterdam of all places, but if he couldn't get games for Ajax why on earth would he get them for us? Even some of those going to EPL clubs may have been better off there than bench warming.
 
Can't see too much wrong with it, other than sending young men to Amsterdam...hopefully they have chaperones.
 
I'd also it would be even more beneficial for our British or Irish youth. Get a taste of something different. Gain experience that they wouldn't get in England.

Just sending someone to any old Championship club wouldn't do everybody good. That would only get them match experience. Most of the teams there don't have their coaching at the same standard. Former great players who can communicate and explain themselves make for great coaches. I still remember a thing Ian Rush told us at a summer academy. It's one thing just to say a thing, another to make it stick with someone.
 
It would be a great place to send some of our players that aren't physically ready for the Championship. I'm thinking someone like Lingard would do far better with a foreign loan than another stint in the Championship. Januzaj would probably be a candidate to a move to Ajax.
 
So bear with me, folks. If Ajax have an excellent youth system, why would they need youths from other clubs to play for them? what's in it for Ajax?
 
Snow said:
Because they get players like Cuenca on loan. They still have titles to win.
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How many players like that even get loaned to the championship though? Most people who go on loan to lower divisions do so as their first experience of first team football. Would Ajax have played Tom Cleverley for example ahead of their other players, or was he better off getting constant game time with Leicester and Watford?
 
Cleverley also got loaned to Wigan. He'd do well in Ajax. Could cover lots of positions in their system.

I've also said it's just not solely about game time. Training with Leicester isn't comparable to be training with Ajax. 15 games with Ajax would be a great experience. One of our own Icelandic players has improved massively whilst at Ajax despite his injuries. Their training and academy is on par with the best of them.

Also, didn't a Twente link supposedly go sour? Well, Ajax seems like an optimal place to send an 18 year old Brazilian that has a tough time getting a work permit.

Nick Powell could do with a season there. I imagine he'd fit right in.
 
antohan said:
Not to reopen the whole Pogba meltdown from some but he would have got the games he wasn't getting here. Wouldn't have shipped him off on his last contract year but the one before, definitely.
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As a 16 year old the year before? I doubt he would have gotten any game time. And if he wanted a loan next year, he would have gotten one either way.

JulesWinnfield said:
How many players like that even get loaned to the championship though? Most people who go on loan to lower divisions do so as their first experience of first team football. Would Ajax have played Tom Cleverley for example ahead of their other players, or was he better off getting constant game time with Leicester and Watford?
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It depends player to player tbh. Some players would be better off going to Ajax. Some will be better off going to Championship. Some might not even want to go there and leave the country.

It's similar with the link to Belgium and Antwerp which is at a lower level now. Good to have options but these foreign link ups don't get used that often and particularly a club as high profile as Ajax will only fit certain category of players in terms of getting game time.

I think preference would still be getting players Championship playing time in the upper reaches and then in the premiership. But there might be a certain category of lesser physically developed players that could be sent there if this amounts to anything. People like Lingard/Cole and even Januzaj who are not physically ready for English football. Or people like Henriquez this year for example coming from South America.
 
Snow said:
Nick Powell could do with a season there. I imagine he'd fit right in.
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He is physically ready. Think half season in the championship and then half season in the prem next season would be more beneficial for him.

It's a odd one with Ajax. Reckon we would be better doing a partnership with a lower mid table club if we have to in Holland. Guess, this if it comes to anything is more a informal thing though for 1/2 players possibly.
 
Before Muniesa's knee injury earlier in the season, he too was supposed to be loaned to Ajax. It's the perfect opportunity for youth talents who aren't quite ready or aren't getting enough 1st team opportunities. Ajax is a natural choice as a destination for Barcelona despite the loaning out of players not being very common in anytime I've followed the club. There are several players who are at promotable age and there simply isn't room for them in the 1st team, players who want to succeed at the club. So I think we'll indeed see more young players head there.

As for United, not sure if the advantages are as numerous since the playing style & tactics aren't quite as similar but few clubs boast better development than Ajax
 
How sad is it that Ajax are being talked about like this, a real European giant reduced to loaning players:(
 
Isotope said:
So bear with me, folks. If Ajax have an excellent youth system, why would they need youths from other clubs to play for them? what's in it for Ajax?
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It's a fair point, question is how many they manage to get hold of these days, it's better not to take on poorer ones to make th numbers and adding a few quality ones from Barca or us. It can only help maintain/raise standards, they wouldn't take them if they had no use for them or would stunt a promising one of their own, obviously.

Cevno said:
As a 16 year old the year before? I doubt he would have gotten any game time.
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Pogba is 20 so tht would have been the season he started being 17 and finished being 18. Precisely the sort of age when Ajax work wonders.
 
Cevno said:
It's a odd one with Ajax. Reckon we would be better doing a partnership with a lower mid table club if we have to in Holland. Guess, this if it comes to anything is more a informal thing though for 1/2 players possibly.
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You could argue mid table clubs can't afford to be fannying about testing/developing young players. Ajax have to win stuff sure, but at least half their games are won before they even get onto the pitch.
 
antohan said:
Pogba is 20 so tht would have been the season he started being 17 and finished being 18. Precisely the sort of age when Ajax work wonders.
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In fairness, Pogba developed more than adequately that season with us. Loaning players out at 17 pretty much never happens as well, and understandably so.
 
It would be good if we can get such a deal set up. Ajax are great with young players and it's a good league to gain some first team and European experience.
 
It would only be a select few who could even grace the pitch of Ajax to be fair. Ajax have there own brilliant youth development going on, with a lot of very talented youngsters. They aren't exactly a poor side after all!

However sending youth over to partake in the their training and underage squad inhouse training would be class.
 
Freak said:
Why do Ajax want to loan youngsters from top clubs? Can't they buy more established ones or use those from their own academy? Or is there something wrong with them.
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I suppose if the teams decide the players are not good enough they get first pick perhaps?.

Either way would love to see Adnan Januzaj go to Ajax, he would be perfect there.
 
And they'll send Eriksen and Fischer the other way?
 
Januzaj, Henriques or Powell would be ideal for this next season.
 
If I were an Ajax fan, I'm not sure how comfortable I would feel about having clubs like Manchester United and Barcelona loaning their top youngsters to my club. It seems to me that it would hinder the development of Ajax youngster and it would also make Ajax's competitiveness in their domestic league and Europe unsustainable.
 
That'sHernandez said:
If I were an Ajax fan, I'm not sure how comfortable I would feel about having clubs like Manchester United and Barcelona loaning their top youngsters to my club. It seems to me that it would hinder the development of Ajax youngster and it would also make Ajax's competitiveness in their domestic league and Europe unsustainable.
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It's 1/2 players at most each season. Cuenca was injured a bit so hasn't played much anyways.

If there was more than that, then Ajax fans need to worry but getting 1/2 players on loan presumably in positions where they don't have options is hardly hurting anything. Can only be beneficial to them in the short term.
 
Would be great for Powell to do about 6 months there or something. Great technicians, and they could teach him a thing or two. At the end of the day, Ajax are more inclined to know what to do with a talented young #10 than an English club, even us.
 
dutchred said:
Just announced on the Dutch Radio that UTD and AJAX will exchange youth players next year for both to get experience. Will post updates as I hear more
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From a Dutch Newbie
 
Interesting that it's a two way exchange. That can only be positive for all parties involved, great idea.
 
Like studying a semester or two abroad. Can't see why that wouldn't be beneficial to both parties involved.
 
Minkaro said:
Ajax have an excellent academy. I'd be delighted if some of our players had the chance to benefit from that.
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The qeustion is how beneficial it'll be if players dont get regular games.

I find the set up odd. Ajax, by their own admittance, need to develop and sell their own players to stay viable. I'm surprised they want to develop other teams players so they can sell them for a profit?
 
Rozay said:
Would be great for Powell to do about 6 months there or something. Great technicians, and they could teach him a thing or two. At the end of the day, Ajax are more inclined to know what to do with a talented young #10 than an English club, even us.
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Would rather see more of Powell in the remaining dead rubbers before making up my mind on him going on loan.
 
Don't think any of the players will get regular games and don't think the players on the brink of the first team will go, it is aimed at the younger players and will certainly do them good assisting their development and tactical understanding. Like a school trip.
 
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