Players (apparently) in 'revolt' against FIFA

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...volt-32-team-club-world-cup-infantino-fifpro/

So, it is rumoured that professional players are looking to try and push back against FIFA's ever expanding calender - a question should also be why UEFA aren't included in this?

Anyhow, it will be interesting to see how this plays out if the players to look to make a legal challenge. Imo, if the top 50-100 players all simultaneously 'retired' from international football, FIFA would be pretty buggered.

For me, it isn't even just the CWC expansion, the new WC format is also too much. That is alo before we get to 8 CL 'league' matches, the 24 team Euros, or the 18 game 'league' South American qualifying stage.
 
Looks like Real Madrid and other clubs are going to refuse to play the new FIFA CWC tournament...

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...d-reject-club-world-cup-place-carlo-ancelotti

I guess the difference with the UEFA competitions is there is much more prize money in the likes of the Champions League. Perez evidently wants a much bigger piece of the pie from the FIFA tournament, or it could be dead in the water regardless.

Looks like the limit of fixture congestion has been hit.
 
This is nothing to do with fixture congestion or players revolting.

I love how managers players and everyone will state the fixture congestion but as soon will only reject the proposals due to money.

If the money was right, they would play it.
 
This is nothing to do with fixture congestion or players revolting.

I love how managers players and everyone will state the fixture congestion but as soon will only reject the proposals due to money.

If the money was right, they would play it.

Aye, it is all about money, but football in general is all about money.

Fifa & Uefa formula is pretty clear.

More games = more money (for them)
 
Man City are already drafting legal action about the rules not being fair after they have agreed to them.
 
Fixture congestion

Didn't teams play friendlies right after the season just ended?
 
Aye, it is all about money, but football in general is all about money.

Fifa & Uefa formula is pretty clear.

More games = more money (for them)

Yes you can talk about FIFA and UEFA but its the same with players and clubs too.

Real Madrid opting out because the prize fund isn't enough.

Players complain they have too many games but players like Sancho... can easily take a pay cut and play less games, they chose not to because they want to play in the best competitions.
 
This is nothing to do with fixture congestion or players revolting.

I love how managers players and everyone will state the fixture congestion but as soon will only reject the proposals due to money.

If the money was right, they would play it.

Yeah, Ancelotti even said it was about the money:

"One single Real Madrid game is worth €20 million, and FIFA want to give us that amount for the entire competition. Negative. Just like us, other clubs will refuse the invitation."

I wouldn't be singing Real Madrid's praises just yet. This is just a case of them wanting a bigger piece of the pie, not them being concerned about the players' well being.
 
Thought there was substantial prize money for this?

They were saying around £50m for turning up, over £100m for the winner a while back in the press.

Edit: How much do clubs make on a pre-season tour in comparison? Could use it for that although the dates aren't great, 3-4 weeks too early. If the money was alright in comparison I'd be pushing for a later start date for this.
 
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Yes you can talk about FIFA and UEFA but its the same with players and clubs too.

Real Madrid opting out because the prize fund isn't enough.

Players complain they have too many games but players like Sancho... can easily take a pay cut and play less games, they chose not to because they want to play in the best competitions.

Yeah well that's the thing, it's just more money for them, not the players or the clubs involved.

The players know it, the clubs know it, I would assume the clubs have looked at the money involved and realised how much it will cost them financially and how much the organising bodies stand to make and decided it's not worth the effort.
 
Nah it's bollox. We don't need an ever expanding calendar with more games in useless competitions nobody cares about and we certainly don't need a competition every Summer. It's ridiculous and will take away from the quality of other competitions if the players aren't getting enough rest.

Also OP fix the spelling of apparently will ya, it's giving me a headache looking at it.
 
Yeah, Ancelotti even said it was about the money:

"One single Real Madrid game is worth €20 million, and FIFA want to give us that amount for the entire competition. Negative. Just like us, other clubs will refuse the invitation."

I wouldn't be singing Real Madrid's praises just yet. This is just a case of them wanting a bigger piece of the pie, not them being concerned about the players' well being.

Oh no, you cannot praise Madrid yet, FIFA will increase the prize pool and Real will fly out there. There is no question about that.
 
They haven't revolted against the world cup or UEFA because those games actually have prestige. This tournament is glorified friendly games, so if they aren't getting paid enough then it's an easy no.
 
Real Madrid the club who tried to take over football with their dodgy self administered super league and who benefit greatly today thanks to the disparity landscape FIFA and UEFA created for big clubs so that they always stay at the top, are trying to take the holier moral high ground. Get out of here scum club.
 
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This is nothing to do with fixture congestion or players revolting.

I love how managers players and everyone will state the fixture congestion but as soon will only reject the proposals due to money.

If the money was right, they would play it.

I do not see how money and number of working hours should be separated.

I mean, if you are offered to work extra hours but get paid a quarter of what you consider is the fair market rate you will probably see it as exploitation and reject it immediately.

If you work 40 hours per week, and you get offered to work extra 15 but getting four times more money you may see it as an opportunity.

With the nuance that clubs have the chance to make their squads bigger or even be more selective with the other tournaments they participate in.

In any case, thinking that clubs have no concern for the mental and physical health of their players is gigantically naive.
 
In fairness, those are busy weeks of the year where Madrid are secretly meeting with players to tell them how to run down their contracts to join Madrid for free. Wirtz might be penciled in that week.

If they successfully get a system in place whereby teams pay Madrid for the honor of giving them their players, then those weeks would be freed up.
 
the 18 game 'league' South American qualifying stage.
Nothing wrong with that. It runs over two years on international breaks and we don't hold Copa América qualifiers anyway.

In the meantime, you guys faff around with the "Nations League" to fill up the schedule between WC and Euro qualifiers.
 
I do not see how money and number of working hours should be separated.

I mean, if you are offered to work extra hours but get paid a quarter of what you consider is the fair market rate you will probably see it as exploitation and reject it immediately.

If you work 40 hours per week, and you get offered to work extra 15 but getting four times more money you may see it as an opportunity.

With the nuance that clubs have the chance to make their squads bigger or even be more selective with the other tournaments they participate in.

In any case, thinking that clubs have no concern for the mental and physical health of their players is gigantically naive.

Its not naive to think that. If they offered Real Madrid more money, they would make the decision to play without consulting the players.

So do you think Real Madrid will pay each player more because they are in the club world cup?

But if I am working 50 hours a week complaining I have no free time, then I go and accept another 10 hours a week, who is to blame me or the person offering me the job?
 
Whatever their motivation is, I think this is good news. Hope that tournament flops massively. Anyway, they might end up playing it because the FIFA is paying clubs more and that would be a bad thing again because the disparity will only grow further.
 
So do you think Real Madrid will pay each player
more because they are in the club world cup?
Yes, of course. Everyone taking part would. Teams give out prize money to their players every year
 
Yes, of course. Everyone taking part would. Teams give out prize money to their players every year

Prize money is for winning.. not participation.

You didnt answer me other question..


If you are already working 60 hours a week and say you are tired and no time for other things...

If you chose to work an additional 10 hours for double pay.. you cant blame others saying there is too much work.. you have the choice not to take the money and not work.
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...volt-32-team-club-world-cup-infantino-fifpro/

So, it is rumoured that professional players are looking to try and push back against FIFA's ever expanding calender - a question should also be why UEFA aren't included in this?

Anyhow, it will be interesting to see how this plays out if the players to look to make a legal challenge. Imo, if the top 50-100 players all simultaneously 'retired' from international football, FIFA would be pretty buggered.

For me, it isn't even just the CWC expansion, the new WC format is also too much. That is alo before we get to 8 CL 'league' matches, the 24 team Euros, or the 18 game 'league' South American qualifying stage.

FIFA don't get any of the CL money. So they want their slice of the golden goose hence the crappy world club cup idea.

Just more money for FIFA executive branch to take out of the game and into their golden handshake pensions.
 
Prize money is for winning.. not participation.
Players get to negotiate that. If they want money just to participate, clubs will have to pay them that

If you are already working 60 hours a week and say you are tired and no time for other things...
you don't work hours you don't need to, there are laws in place for that. You think the big european clubs - the ones that bring the money, really - would fight their players over this?

If you chose to work an additional 10 hours for double pay.. you cant blame others saying there is too much work.. you have the choice not to take the money and not work.
Absolutely
 
Ancelotti has already walked back his comments, and Madrid have released a statement in support of the tournament.

The whole thing is pretty ridiculous. The club world cup was a glorified friendly at the best of times, and was manageable when it was just a semi final and final. Now it's a whole mini tournament, just when players least need it. Even if everyone participates (they will), I would expect to see heavy rotation in the squads, and I doubt many players from the big European clubs will be busting a gut out there. It's pretty much a cakewalk for the European teams anyway, and they'll treat it for what it is....a promotional opportunity into emerging markets.

Everyone who says it's about money is right, but then all of football is just about money these days. We are at the point where we have to differentiate what type of money it's about, not whether it's about money at all. In this case it's about FIFA getting their cut of the lucrative UEFA pie. Because that's where all the money is, and that's what will bring all the money to this tournament. UEFA representative clubs. FIFA just wants to fill their pockets a little more, and get their grubby little hands on a piece of the biggest pie. Problem is, this pie already has enough grubby little hands in it.

The only thing that will ever cause clubs to take an actual stand against it (unlikely) or passively protest by giving limited minutes to star players (more likely) is a serious injury to a big player whilst at the tournament. FIFA will have their compensation schemes, but it won't be anything like enough to make up for the hassle of losing your top goalscoring to a long term injury in a meaningless tournament.

The only way this can make any sense for the big European teams, is to treat this like pre-season, because it's a month long tournament (June 15th to July 13th) held in the United States. For the big European teams that have qualified (Real Madrid, Man City, Bayern Munich, PSG, Inter, Juventus, Chelsea, Atletico, Dortmund.......(and less so...) Porto, Benfica, and RB Salzburg, they face the value and prestige of squaring off against the likes of Al-Hilal, Urawa Red Diamonds, Ulsan HD, Al Ahly, Wydad Casablanca, Monterrey, Leon, Seattle Sounders, and Aukland City. Match ups, which on a competitive level, are a complete waste of time and they'll surely put out their reserve/youth filled teams.

There are Palmeiras, Fluminese, Flamengo and the '24 Copa Libertadores winners to be there too, and that's always relatively interesting and steeped in history to see the best of South American club football vs European, even if it's been largely one sided for a long time (European clubs have won 16 of the last 17 editions, with Corinthians 1-0 defeat of Chelsea in 2012 being the only time since 2006 that a non-european side has won it.) In fact since 2008, the accumulative score in finals has been 37 - 7 in favour of European sides, with half the non-european tally coming in one game (a crazy 5-3 between Madrid and Al-Hilal involving a lot of subs and Madrid being 5-1 up before they stopped trying). In 11 of those 16 finals, the "other" team has failed to even score.

The notion of the Club World Cup being competitively significant, or prestigious, pretty much died with the advent of enormous economic power in the European game, and the drain of the best talent from around the world into Europe. Especially from South America. So to expand an already dying/uncompetitive tournament to now include teams like Ulsan, Seattle, and Aukland is, on a competitive sporting level, a joke. And clubs will likely treat it as such. This is just a way for FIFA to monetize the lucrative pre-season tours that take place in the US for themselves.
 
Just create a rule saying players can't play more than 50 club matches per season and then let them rotate how they see fit.
 
Its not naive to think that. If they offered Real Madrid more money, they would make the decision to play without consulting the players.

I don't know if a certain club would consult the players or not. I don't think I have the knowledge at my disposal to assure that. The only thing I know is that it is absurd to think clubs, whichever clubs, are not concerned with the wellness of their own players. And precisely someone like you who thinks that all club decisions revolve around money is the first person who should have come to the conclusion that having a stressed, fatigued and unhappy squad is detrimental to their own finances.
 
I’m sursprised people aren’t more interested in this tournament. They make it sound like 2 or 3 good teams will be playing exhibitions against a few really bad teams. But the format looks totally different from that to me.

There will be 12 teams from Europe alone and a lot of big names. 6? Eventual teams from South America (Fluminense have qualified already, do we could play Thiago).

It’s a totally different scale and gormula is it not? Sure, they could use juicing up the prize money til he new version of the event hai s steam… but you guys wouldn’t be interested in a Man United vs Real Madrid final for a world trophy and 30m?

When people think of this thing, they think of the lone European entry playing a Korean team in the finals at 3 am. This is different. It should be fun.
 
I don't know if a certain club would consult the players or not. I don't think I have the knowledge at my disposal to assure that. The only thing I know is that it is absurd to think clubs, whichever clubs, are not concerned with the wellness of their own players. And precisely someone like you who thinks that all club decisions revolve around money is the first person who should have come to the conclusion that having a stressed, fatigued and unhappy squad is detrimental to their own finances.

Okay if you think the clubs are so concerned about welfare answer me this.

After the PL campaign, Newcastle and Spurs flew out to Australia 3 days later to play friendlies in Australia... then they complain about too many games.
 
Okay if you think the clubs are so concerned about welfare answer me this.

After the PL campaign, Newcastle and Spurs flew out to Australia 3 days later to play friendlies in Australia... then they complain about too many games.

I think if players perceive that kind of decisions go against their wellness, and they have every right to think that way, they will think twice before signing for those clubs, which will be detrimental for them.
 
Nothing wrong with that. It runs over two years on international breaks and we don't hold Copa América qualifiers anyway.

In the meantime, you guys faff around with the "Nations League" to fill up the schedule between WC and Euro qualifiers.

So, you think playing 18 games to knock 3 teams out is reasonable? It is absolute nonsense imo, absolutely zero jepody for the vast majority of those game. As for the Nations League that should be completely scrapped and the Euro's qualifying should also be cut. Playing 10 games to decide the likes of San Marino, Gibraltar and Malta, aren't going to the final tournament is also nonsense.

Personally, I do not even watch the Euros until the quarter finals anymore as the group games are filler and 6 teams from the final 16 are there despite finishing 3rd in the group.
 
I’m sursprised people aren’t more interested in this tournament. They make it sound like 2 or 3 good teams will be playing exhibitions against a few really bad teams. But the format looks totally different from that to me.

There will be 12 teams from Europe alone and a lot of big names. 6? Eventual teams from South America (Fluminense have qualified already, do we could play Thiago).

It’s a totally different scale and gormula is it not? Sure, they could use juicing up the prize money til he new version of the event hai s steam… but you guys wouldn’t be interested in a Man United vs Real Madrid final for a world trophy and 30m?

When people think of this thing, they think of the lone European entry playing a Korean team in the finals at 3 am. This is different. It should be fun.

Nobody cares or wants it. Teams outside of Europe haven't a hope of winning. There's zero jeopardy and most can see it for what it is. Another unnecessary tournament when players should be resting because Infantino wants more cash.
 
I’m sursprised people aren’t more interested in this tournament. They make it sound like 2 or 3 good teams will be playing exhibitions against a few really bad teams. But the format looks totally different from that to me.

There will be 12 teams from Europe alone and a lot of big names. 6? Eventual teams from South America (Fluminense have qualified already, do we could play Thiago).

It’s a totally different scale and gormula is it not? Sure, they could use juicing up the prize money til he new version of the event hai s steam… but you guys wouldn’t be interested in a Man United vs Real Madrid final for a world trophy and 30m?

When people think of this thing, they think of the lone European entry playing a Korean team in the finals at 3 am. This is different. It should be fun.

If it's good people will like it. Hard to care when it's just an idea.
 
So, you think playing 18 games to knock 3 teams out is reasonable? It is absolute nonsense imo, absolutely zero jepody for the vast majority of those game. As for the Nations League that should be completely scrapped and the Euro's qualifying should also be cut. Playing 10 games to decide the likes of San Marino, Gibraltar and Malta, aren't going to the final tournament is also nonsense.

Personally, I do not even watch the Euros until the quarter finals anymore as the group games are filler and 6 teams from the final 16 are there despite finishing 3rd in the group.

How are we determining who gets to go to the Euros then?
 
Just create a rule saying players can't play more than 50 club matches per season and then let them rotate how they see fit.

Aye, it's pretty simple solution which might help smaller clubs too, but managers of big clubs avoid talking about it because they would rather play their best XI all the time and then complain about busy schedule all the time, despite having the biggest squads and best athletes at their disposal.
 
How are we determining who gets to go to the Euros then?

Just set it up as KO football. Pretty much half the teams go anyway, so seed it and UEFA will still get there cash cows at the final tournament and we don't have to watch absolutely pointless games like home and away games against Moldova and Malta etc.
 
As an Atletico Madrid fan I'm glad that my team qualified and I'm looking forward to the games. As someone who also loves south American football I love that Atletico is going to be able to play competitive games against clubs from that part of the world.

It's an amazing cup and an amazing idea.

People complaining about this tournament are using really ridiculous arguments. Just because only European teams have a "realistic chance" to win it other teams being there makes it pointless? By this logic only clubs from the big 5 leagues in Europe should participate in the CL and only UEFA and CONMEBOL teams should play on WC. What kind of argument is this. I guess we should just make a Super League with 10 clubs and have them play against each other then.

Clubs from all over the world having a chance to go on a run, earn some money, and potentially knock out some European giants on the way is what will make it fun for those clubs as well. Just like Costa Rica being on World Cup or Iceland on the Euros.

Also United fans out of all people have no ground to complain about it, since United decided to pull out of the FA Cup just to play in this competition in 2000, and then lost to Vasco da Gama and finished behind Necaxa in the group. So clearly this competition is both prestigious and competitive (at least more than the FA Cup).

As for people complaining about players not having enough rest. Well maybe they should stop playing so many useless friendlies then.

Real Madrid have no power here either. They will be TOLD what to do. Infantino doesn't play games. For once FIFA is using its power as it should.
 
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