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BARTHEZ 6- Not a lot to do. However, I feel he could have stopped the second one. There was no commucnication at times between defence and him.

G. NEVILE 7- He played well until the injury. Made a wonderful cross which should have been a goal.

BLANC 6-responsible for the second IMO, however he put in some good tackles.

BROWN 6-solid, however, was slow to react to the second goal. Not a bad performance, epecially in the first half

SILVESTRE 7- Good perforamance. Did more solo efforts than Giggs, however, was selfish once in the first half when he sould have passed the ball to RVN for #2. Lost possesion in the end (probably not used to the pressure)

SOLSKJAER 5-Did well in the beginning, almost scored from the 20 yard shot, however missed the ball when the goal was at his mercy from Gazza's pass. The goal that he scored was an own goal, if it wasn't for the defender, the ball would have went out for the goal kick. Didn't tackle. Not his falt, though. He's no winger.

SCHOLES 6.5-Good work in the middfield. Must tackle more, though. You can't let leverkusen pin our defence like they did.
Butt 7-Same as Scholes, however he did tackle more. At falt for the first goal, he should have had Ballack. Also, as far as I remember, could have had stretched to intercept the pass to Ballack. Besides that, good performance. The only drawback is his creativity.

Veron 6-(Changed my mind a little ;) ) Was involved in both goals. Also some other nice long range passes. Towards the end, lost possesion and made less tackles than Solskjaer. Like Ole, played out of position.

Giggs 5.5- Couldn't get past their defence. When he had the ball in the box, he lost it. Should be returned to LW for the second leg.

RVN 7-Tackled, worked, intercepted, scored, assisted. Good performance, however he missed one or two sitters as far as I can remember. Slow at times.

Phil 6-Solid, attacked a lot. Didn't see a lot of him though.

Irwin 6-Didn't see a lot of him either

Keano 7-Looked composed. Introduced a cohesion into the team, especially midfield. Tracked back, and saved a certain goal.

All in all, we need to press the opposition from now on, insted of sitting back in the box like poo. In the beginning, there was a little bit of arrongance about us. I hope players and Fergie learned their lesson, and that they come with all guns blazing in "the second half" <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Barthez: 6
Blanc: 8
Silvestre: 8
Gary: 7
Phil: 7
Wes: 7.5
Butt: 7.5
Veron: 7
Giggs: 5.5
Scholes: 6
Ole: 6
Ruud: 5.5
Keane: 7.5 (but wasn't really out there that long)
Neither was Irwin
 
i found our performace less than convincing. when i think about it, these ratings are quiet generous.

Barthez: 6
Blanc: 7.5
Silvestre: 7
Gary: 7
Phil: 7
Wes: 7.5
Butt: 5
Veron: 5
Giggs: 6
Scholes: 5.5
Ole: 6.5
Ruud: 6
 
Originally posted by farawaylands:
<strong>i found our performace less than convincing. when i think about it, these ratings are quiet generous.

Barthez: 6
Blanc: 7.5
Silvestre: 7
Gary: 7
Phil: 7
Wes: 7.5
Butt: 5
Veron: 5
Giggs: 6
Scholes: 5.5
Ole: 6.5
Ruud: 6</strong><hr></blockquote>


I find your rating of Butt rather astounding. He and Blanc were United's best on the pitch.
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Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
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RVN 7-Tackled, worked, intercepted, scored, assisted. Good performance, however he missed one or two sitters as far as I can remember. Slow at times.


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Think you're a bit biased mate.

RVN had what I thought was his worst game ever for United. Certainly didn't rate a seven.
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Barthez 6
P.Neville 6
Blanc 6.5
Brown 6
Silvestre 7
Butt 7
Veron 6,5 ( was not so poor as some think)
scholes 5.5
giggs 5 (maybe our best performer in europe this seaon, but a terrible game yesterday)
OGS 6
RVN 6.5
 
RVN had what I thought was his worst game ever for United. Certainly didn't rate a seven.
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I agree with this but I also don`t think the players played too badly individually it was the overall team performance that let them down they lacked cohesion and often played themselves into trouble.It was disappointing as a performance like the one against Chelsea would have seen Bayer off,aah well we always do it the hard way,roll on tuesday <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
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Bobo - 6
Neville G - 6.5
Neville P - 6
OG - 5.5
Blanc - 7
Silvestre - 7

Veron - 5
Butt - 7
Scholes - 7
Giggs - 6

OGS - 5.5
RVN - 5
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Bobo - 6
Neville G - 6.5
Neville P - 6
OG - 5.5
Blanc - 7
Silvestre - 7

Veron - 5
Butt - 7
Scholes - 7
Giggs - 6

OGS - 5.5
RVN - 5</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't think Own Goal played too poorly, so I don't undetstand the 5.5. Silvestre deserves better than a 7, for I thought he was probably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the pitch behind Ballack and maybe Basturk. As for your midfield ratings. It is simply because you dislike Veron that you gave him a rating that isn't accurate. Switch Veron with Scholes, and that would be accurate.
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
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I didn't think Own Goal played too poorly, so I don't undetstand the 5.5. Silvestre deserves better than a 7, for I thought he was probably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the pitch behind Ballack and maybe Basturk. As for your midfield ratings. It is simply because you dislike Veron that you gave him a rating that isn't accurate. Switch Veron with Scholes, and that would be accurate.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nonsense...

I don't dislike Veron, in fact he's one of my favourite Manc players..Scholes was far more involved and effective..Veron watched the game pass by - not for the first time


OG continually allowed the German players to run at him, backing away and then allowing them to skip past him as if he wasn't there...

Silvestre was good, but no more..gave possession away needlessly at times..you're the only one who has given him more than 7 to date
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Rather than rate individuals I would simply prefer to give a team rating of - below average.

United badly needed a leader on the pitch last night, someone that would put those players that were not performing into place.

Now who do you think that would have been?

Another performance like last night and it's goodbye champions league final.

Bayern deserved to draw last night, especially with the way United allowed them to play. Bayern celebrated at OT last night after the game as if they felt they were already in the final. To be honest, unless United perform an amazing turn-around I can't see us winning, especially with our shite and nervous defence.
 
Rather than rate individuals I would simply prefer to give a team rating of - below average.

United badly needed a leader on the pitch last night, someone that would put those players that were not performing into place.

Now who do you think that would have been?

Another performance like last night and it's goodbye champions league final.

Bayern deserved to draw last night, especially with the way United allowed them to play. Bayern celebrated at OT last night after the game as if they felt they were already in the final. To be honest, unless United perform an amazing turn-around I can't see us winning, especially with our shite and nervous defence.
 
Originally posted by King:
<strong>I can't see us winning, especially with our shite and nervous defence.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Come on, we didn't lose last night's game because of the defense.
How many seconds did we manage to keep possession the last 20 minutes of the match? The midfield was totally absent at the end of the game, and BL were allowed to fiddle endlessly around with the ball without any pressure from our men (except Butt, but he was tucked in just in front of Blanc/Brown and could contribute little going forward)
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
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I didn't think Own Goal played too poorly, so I don't undetstand the 5.5. Silvestre deserves better than a 7, for I thought he was probably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the pitch behind Ballack and maybe Basturk. As for your midfield ratings. It is simply because you dislike Veron that you gave him a rating that isn't accurate. Switch Veron with Scholes, and that would be accurate.</strong><hr></blockquote>


i thought that the best midfielder on the pitch was ramelow - made bayer tick, and always seemed to have time on the ball. excellent player. he works so well with lucio, covering to allow the big brasilian to move forward as he wants - their system works extremely well.

and come on, mathias - veron was incredibly poor last night.
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BTW The Sun made Ruud man of the match - I also thought he was excellent, but I do wish he'd taken all his chances. Certainly wasn't his worst game for us.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>BTW The Sun made Ruud man of the match - I also thought he was excellent, but I do wish he'd taken all his chances. Certainly wasn't his worst game for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In that case both you and the Sun are wrong...
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Bobo - 6
Neville G - 6
Neville P - 6
WB - 4.5
Blanc - 6
Silvestre - 7
Veron - 5
Butt - 6
Scholes -6
Giggs - 5

OGS - 5
RVN - 5
Denis and Keano weren't on long enough to rate. I though Brown was all over the place for most of the game and I dont know why Blanc didn't talk to him more. Veron had a hand in the goals but he was crap other than that. They constantly by-passed him or went through him and on this performance he certainly wont be a UTD player next season. he was bought to give us somthing extra in europe but what a change from the Depo game. Mickey did well and was out best player. Giggs had a mare, he spent more time with his hands in the air than anything else.

I think I'm entitled to have a pop after last nights performance, it was unbelieveably bad. This was our biggest match of the season and we wre played off the park. Its not over though as I think we can win over there but we need Keano and more imprtantly after last night we need Ronny back in defence to steady the ship. :(
 
BARTHEZ -6
P Neville -6 (/5)
Blanc -8
Brown -5.5
Silvestre -7

Veron - 5.5
Scholes -6
Butt - 7.5
Giggs -6
Solskjaer -5.5

RVN - 7


Does anyone think that prehaps SAF should have played JSV in the middle and Scholes out on the right, its just that when ever Seba did contibute, it was when he was more central, and I think Scholes would have done a much better job out on the right than JSV did. Not knockin SAF, its just when Seba isnt involved he does become anonymous, and thats why i think we looked a bit short in midfield.

Also IMO Brown had a bad game, Ballack (and others )beat him cleanly, only cos of the covering of Mickey and Blanc did he get away with it, and that also forced Mickey in abit to central for the second goal.


Second Leg, if we sort out our shape in Midfield, I see goals, (RVN could of had at least 3). ohh yeah we play better when were going straight for the jugular.
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>Veron had a hand in the goals but he was crap other than that. They constantly by-passed him or went through him and on this performance he certainly wont be a UTD player next season. he was bought to give us somthing extra in europe but what a change from the Depo game. </strong><hr></blockquote>

He needs to show consistancy.....If the reports are true about a swap for Reizigger & Rivaldo i'd take it quickish!
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>BTW The Sun made Ruud man of the match - I also thought he was excellent, but I do wish he'd taken all his chances. Certainly wasn't his worst game for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>


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i thought he was well-marshalled by the bayer defence but very poor by his standards this season. he was also lucky not to be booked for persistent fouling 'cos he wasn't getting his own way.
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Before everyone has a go at me about the "great Veron debate" and say he was played out of position etc I am of the opinion that if you are the captain of Argentina, one of the best players in the world, then why the f*ck cant you control a game? The heart isn't in it. I bet you'll see a different Seba in the World Cup.

Surely to God a professional midfielder can play amywhere accross the middle, even comming in side to change feet etc. I am still shellshocked from last night over the way we played. Did you see SAf being interviewed afterwards, he was livid. I though my TV was going to explode. His eyed were popping out of his very red face.

We'll win over there because of the simple fact that if we play as bad as we did last night I think the numbers up for a few players and they know it.
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>Before everyone has a go at me about the "great Veron debate" and say he was played out of position etc I am of the opinion that if you are the captain of Argentina, one of the best players in the world, then why the f*ck cant you control a game? The heart isn't in it. I bet you'll see a different Seba in the World Cup.

Surely to God a professional midfielder can play amywhere accross the middle, even comming in side to change feet etc. I am still shellshocked from last night over the way we played. Did you see SAf being interviewed afterwards, he was livid. I though my TV was going to explode. His eyed were popping out of his very red face.

We'll win over there because of the simple fact that if we play as bad as we did last night I think the numbers up for a few players and they know it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look JSV is having a hard time settling in. He has been the linchpin in both his last club, and for his national side. He won't and can't replace Roy as our linchpin Roy, and just needs to learn how to work along side him.
Put it this way I can see no stronger central midfield pairing (on paper) than those two.
His performance in the WC should show everyone why we need to keep him, and not get rid of him.

As to him being played anywhere along the midfield, and still being expected tp play well, you obviously have never watched him play at Lazio, Whenever he was played away from mthe center (usually the LHS) he dissappeared, true he
created goals, but he played a part in both yesterday. It is not his fault he is not as adaptable as other players. He is a great player but he is not perfect. (but quite close)

As for not trying well he has only just come back from his Achilles problem, which prob why SAF didn't play him in the center. But you could see each time we were pegged back he moved into the center and tried to create, something it has to be said Scholes wasn't doing.
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the only big plus from last nights game is keano coming back.we can't play as bad as we did last night when we go over there.next week fergie should play keane butt scholes and giggs in midfield and rvn and ole up front.veron had a fecking nightmare last night and we may as well have been playing with 10 men as butt did twice the work he was asked to do covering for the wayward veron.there was no penetration down the left which giggs will provide in the second leg.RVN and ole up front will also cause them more problems.
 
Personally I thought our poor performance was due to too many players playing out of position and too many other players not performing to the best of their abilities.
Seba can't defend, its a fact, but he remained out on the wing and just watched a number of times as their full back got into space, i thought Scholes would have done a better job on the right as he at least understands the concept of defending.
Giggs was ineffective in the role and should have gone back to the left to give the team more shape.
Quite a lot of negatives last night it has to be said, however, despite the fact that we were quite shocking, we still didn't lose and scored two goals which can only mean that we have a chance in Leverkusen. This tie is by no means over, and fingers crossed our Juventus experience and generally greater experience overall will give us a result out there.
It would be gutting to lose to an unfancied team in the semis again (Dortmund).
 
Can't wait til we buy a replacement for Silvestre. A real United class player. :rolleyes: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Can't wait til we buy a replacement for Silvestre. A real United class player. :rolleyes: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

He started this season badly..

And has made mistakes throughout his Man Utd career..

Don't get carried away yet
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Originally posted by JOBT:
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feckin 'ell a player that has made mistakes :eek: jesus sell him... no kill him :rolleyes:

who doesn't ???</strong><hr></blockquote>

Some make far more than others....
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

He started this season badly..

And has made mistakes throughout his Man Utd career..

Don't get carried away yet</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Nitpicking at its worst :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lchk:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Nitpicking at its worst :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Explain that Inch..

Cos you can't possibly disagree with it
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Ater watchig the game again, it was Scholes who was involved in the first goal, not Veron.

PS Since we tryed so many defensive pairings, could try one with Silvestre in the center as well. What does everybody else think?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>BTW The Sun made Ruud man of the match - I also thought he was excellent, but I do wish he'd taken all his chances. Certainly wasn't his worst game for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And you believe everything you read in the Sun? ;)

Ruud worked his socks off, but to little effect. By his standards it was a poor game. But no-one had a really good one.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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And you believe everything you read in the Sun? ;)

Ruud worked his socks off, but to little effect. By his standards it was a poor game. But no-one had a really good one.</strong><hr></blockquote>


he was below par..

anyway, i reckon we'll finish the job in Germany... we've been great away from home this year and i don't doubt we have the ability to beat leverkusen on their patch....

BTW strange thing is we've been very poor at home during the knock out stages.. Juve, Dortmund, Real, Monaco, Leverkusen and Bayern have gone away with great results.. but we've had some good results away in Europe eg. Inter Milan, Depor, Juve, Real and Monaco(draw?)... iam sure we'll add Leverkusen to that list..... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
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The reason the team didn't perform last night is simple........BAYER LEVERKUSEN. They are a class outfit, very solid throughout, and never allowed us the time or space to play. This should have been obvious to anyone who was actually AT the game last night. ;)
Having said that, i still believe the team can turn the tables in the return leg......a victory is all that is needed and if any team can do that, United can. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Lets face it. Ruud worked his ass off and anytime he doesn't score a non penalty goal, there are going to be those who say he wasn't effective.
 
Leverkusen were good - we have to hand them that much.. BUT we were poor!! If Bayer played the United that blitzed Deportivo at the Riazor or OT then maybe we would have seen a different game!!
 
Originally posted by ciaranbrown:
<strong>the only big plus from last nights game is keano coming back.we can't play as bad as we did last night when we go over there.next week fergie should play keane butt scholes and giggs in midfield and rvn and ole up front.veron had a fecking nightmare last night and we may as well have been playing with 10 men as butt did twice the work he was asked to do covering for the wayward veron.there was no penetration down the left which giggs will provide in the second leg.RVN and ole up front will also cause them more problems.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Enough said........! Let's go to the Bay Arena and do our job and we'll see you in GLASGOW!!!!
If we played that badly and still held Leverkusen to a draw .......imagine the damage we can INFLICT on a night when we are really spot ON!!!! Let's all just shut up.....the match is over lets move on to the second leg. ADV. UNITED!!!!!!
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BTW....nice name ....we named our 2nd child CIARA - (7th Century Irish Saint) kept in line with our family heritage (SCOTCH - ENGLISH - IRISH - GERMAN)
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Barthez: 6
Blanc: 7.5
Silvestre: 6.5
G. Neville: 7 (Why not :) )
P. Neville: 5.5
Brown: 6.5
Butt: 6.5
Veron: 4
Giggs: 6
Scholes: 6
Ole: 5
Ruud: 5.5
Keane: 7.5 (not on all that long)
Irwin: not on long enough to merit a rating.
 
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