PES 2008 Wii Edition

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I just picked this up. The controls are like nothing I have ever played before. On top of which it is smoother than most games on the wii - even the ones published by Nintendo. On the downside the graphics are shit and as usual they don't have the rights to many leagues so we have "England League" with amazing teams such as "MiddleBrooke" and "Man Red" and they play in such stadiums as the "Red Cauldron". The funny thing is all the players are there -even Solksjaer, which is stupid because he retired but whatever. Hopefully Fifa09 will take a look at the control scheme PES 08 used and mimic it, because from what I hear FIFA is a superior game this year.

Anyone else have thoughts on PES?
 
wii's are shit.

Pes 2008 is exactly the same as pes6, on ps2. looks like they spent about 10mins chainging the squads and getting rid of most of the editing features.

pes 2008 > fifa. END OF.
 
Was pes6 last years version? Controls the on wii are amazing for this game. It does look like shit however, which is disappointing. I've never played PES before this version so I can't compare. Someone care to enlighten me?
 
yeh pes 6 was last years version.

Considered to be better than the new pes 2008 version. Pro evo is not about graphics, all about game play and innovation.

Fifa is shite in comparison.
 
Shotgun raisin said:


feck me, that looks fun. And I couldn't give a shit about the graphics, before someone decides to chime in with that one.
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I can honestly say, of all the Wii games I've played, this has the best controls hands down - even the menus are smoother than the Wii menus themselves! The graphics are shite however, and the usual problem with lack of licenses, which I thought would bug me, but once I started playing the champions road mode I basically forgot about it.

The controls totally immerse and if you have a Wii and the 40 bucks to spend, do it, you'll enjoy it. You can even unlock a mode to play as Mii's which is utterly hilarious. It is a good building block for next years version though - which I hope has a lot more to it in terms of depth, graphics etc, while still maintaining the high quality controls.
 
I've played it some more, and it is indeed what the genre needed, it's a very good start, but like the evolution of the pro series, it needs some work.

For example, the shooting and freekicks could be better and defending is awesome in the strategic sense, but still feels a little out of your hands. Oh and the graphics are terrible, not because the power of the Wii though, but because like splinter cell, it's converted from the PS2 version and doesn't take any advantage of the Wii's power and graphical niceties.

Still a very good start, and certainly much more enjoyable than the last few versions. Plus for £28 brand new, you cannot fault it.
 
redlambs, thanks for info, i've been thinking of getting this. would it be a good laugh to play with mates? Watching the youtube video, it looks insane! Is it difficult to multi-task, like run with a player while moving off the ball players all around the place?
 
dRNk SAnTA said:
redlambs, thanks for info, i've been thinking of getting this. would it be a good laugh to play with mates? Watching the youtube video, it looks insane! Is it difficult to multi-task, like run with a player while moving off the ball players all around the place?
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It's very cleverly done so it never gets overwhelming, you can really put together much more advanced moves than any other football game, however you need to practice the basics a lot before you get to any kind of fluid stage.

I'm at the point where it's becoming second nature controlling my attacking force, the defense still needs some work but I'm getting there.

Multiplayer is a great laugh, however everyone needs to have played it a bit before it comes into it's own.
 
Redlambs said:
What's so funny about that? The Wii is much more powerful than the Ps2.

Good games aren't all about graphics you know.
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You are the one that made that comment in terms of graphics, you said that they were terrible because it's a PS2 port.

I'm not denying that the Wii is more powerful in terms of graphics (PS2 was designed ten years ago), but rather that there isn't really that much around that uses it. That said, it's very old technology that happens to have been overclocked.

How many Wii games come around the GoW II level for example? Some are downright awful.
 
WeasteDevil said:
You are the one that made that comment in terms of graphics, you said that they were terrible because it's a PS2 port.

I'm not denying that the Wii is more powerful in terms of graphics (PS2 was designed ten years ago), but rather that there isn't really that much around that uses it. That said, it's very old technology that happens to have been overclocked.

How many Wii games come around the GoW II level for example? Some are downright awful.
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If developers made an effort they could have quite nice graphics - just look at Zelda, and Mario for example. I wish the Wii had more games aimed at the 15-30 y.o. crowd instead of the 0-20 y.o. crowd. I think part of the reason is that developers are a bit lazy when it comes to adjusting to the controls they'd have to use. It isn't just mapping buttons to functions, it is mapping motions to functions, which I'm assuming is much more difficult.
 
WeasteDevil said:
You are the one that made that comment in terms of graphics, you said that they were terrible because it's a PS2 port.

I'm not denying that the Wii is more powerful in terms of graphics (PS2 was designed ten years ago), but rather that there isn't really that much around that uses it. That said, it's very old technology that happens to have been overclocked.

How many Wii games come around the GoW II level for example? Some are downright awful.
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Indeed I did, and they are. I still don't see what's so funny.

However, I'll indulge you this once. It's a £27 Wii game that not only plays vastly superior to, but doesn't suffer slowdown that plagues it's much more expensive PS3 brother.

Oh, and the Wii isn't simply and overclocked GCN, it has a few bells and whistles. Not that it's brilliantly advanced of course, but it certainly is powerful enough and cheap enough to develop for to get much better results than it has so far. fecking publishers. /rant


Anyway, back to the thread, unfortunately, It doesn't happen often enough that the Wii is given a radically new control system for genres (even Nintendo are guilty of that). This game is a big leap and lets hope it's given a few sequels to really take advantage of what can be done.
 
Twisted_Woody said:
If developers made an effort they could have quite nice graphics - just look at Zelda, and Mario for example. I wish the Wii had more games aimed at the 15-30 y.o. crowd instead of the 0-20 y.o. crowd. I think part of the reason is that developers are a bit lazy when it comes to adjusting to the controls they'd have to use. It isn't just mapping buttons to functions, it is mapping motions to functions, which I'm assuming is much more difficult.
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Mario and Zelda are both impressive games (in terms of graphics and artistic work), but are suffering from being made too easy. Mario64 and Zelda64 are much better games.

No more heroes is a top title though, if you haven't played it yet.
 
Redlambs said:
Indeed I did, and they are. I still don't see what's so funny.

However, I'll indulge you this once. It's a £27 Wii game that not only plays vastly superior to, but doesn't suffer slowdown that plagues it's much more expensive PS3 brother.
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The control system is inventive, and I like it actually. What made me chuckle is you trying to make out that Wii graphics can be so much better than PS2 graphics, when nothing of the such has yet been seen, even over 1 year into the Wii's life. As I said, show me a Wii racer that looks so much better than GT4, show me an action game that looks so much better than GoW II. It should be possible, but it not forthcoming, leading me to think that many Wii owners are being taken for a ride.

Redlambs said:
Oh, and the Wii isn't simply and overclocked GCN, it has a few bells and whistles. Not that it's brilliantly advanced of course, but it certainly is powerful enough and cheap enough to develop for to get much better results than it has so far. fecking publishers. /rant
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Hollywood, the Wii's GPU, also contains the southbridge and a DSP for audio processing. It is based on the GameCube's GPU, Flipper, and has no notable increases in programmability. However, it is clocked 50 percent higher (243Mhz versus 162Mhz). Most of the chip remains unchanged; for example, it still sports the same 3.1MB of embedded memory, distributed into separate pools for the frame buffer and textures. Similar to Flipper, Hollywood still sports a fixed-function pipeline, with no programmable vertex shaders. However, like in the GameCube, it is possible to emulate some pixel shaders by using "texture environment stages (TEVs)." While some have reported that the Wii is capable of sixteen TEVs compared to the GameCube's eight, making it easier to program, this is not the case. Only an early internal revision of the GameCube was capable of eight TEVs; all shipping products were capable of sixteen as well.
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The console is all about its standard control mechanism, there is not much else there.
 
Mario galaxy and Zelda are two titles that would be nowhere near the level on the PS2 (in fact with MG, the xbox wouldn't even pull it off with the same quality level) and Resident Evil 4 (albeit identical to the GCN version) is much better than the PS2's version. The GCN is closer to the Xbox than the PS2 is to it, and the Wii is more or less alongside the xbox in terms of what can be achieved (better in some ways, less so in others).

I agree though, more should be done. Again if anything, splinter cell is worse than the ps2 version, not to mention being absolute shit in comparison to the rather beautiful GCN versions!

About being taken for a ride,that depends on how thick the people are who have bought one. The Wii is obviously not to be bought for the graphics, it's about the gameplay the system offers (whether or not there's enough dedicated games to what can actually be achieved with the remote and nunchuck is another debate). I'm very happy with mine, and back on topic, this version of evo has really re-sparked my interest in the otherwise dull genre.
 
Yeh come on, Nintendo never tried to compete with Playstation or Xbox when it came to power. It's still a great little machine and it will probably bring more invention to console gameplay than the Xbox and Playstation combined.

If you care about graphics then get a high spec PC because PC games will surpass console games in no time at all.
 
Redlambs said:
It's very cleverly done so it never gets overwhelming, you can really put together much more advanced moves than any other football game, however you need to practice the basics a lot before you get to any kind of fluid stage.

I'm at the point where it's becoming second nature controlling my attacking force, the defense still needs some work but I'm getting there.

Multiplayer is a great laugh, however everyone needs to have played it a bit before it comes into it's own.
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That sounds pretty good, thanks for the info redlambs. I just got a wii, what other games do you recommend?
 
dRNk SAnTA said:
Yeh come on, Nintendo never tried to compete with Playstation or Xbox when it came to power.
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They couldn't afford to do so - hell, only time will tell if Microsoft and Sony really could afford it in the longer run, but both of those companies have larger agendas than simply games, and for the minute the PC cannot conform to the goals of that agenda (the PC doing so is what Microsoft ultimately want).

You think it's OK do you to be shelling out nigh on 200 pounds for an overclocked Gamecube (8 year plus technology) with and innovative control mechanism? I call it a rip off, and Nintendo IMO are purposely constraining supply to allow it to be deemed ok to be kept at such an inflated price. Christ knows what it looks like on a large HDTV either. Nintendo saw something in the market and went for it, and they hit gold - then again, they had very little to lose. I've said it time and time again, the control mechanism or something similar could easily be put onto any other machine, including the PS2 and original XBox. Probably little point in trying to do so now however, due to the market impact the Wii has had.

I'm glad it plays great games, that's what a games console should do, but it doesn't stop it being a technical turd in 2008 technology terms.
 
WeasteDevil said:
They couldn't afford to do so - hell, only time will tell if Microsoft and Sony really could afford it in the longer run, but both of those companies have larger agendas than simply games, and for the minute the PC cannot conform to the goals of that agenda (the PC doing so is what Microsoft ultimately want).
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What are the goals that you think the companies are ultimately trying to achieve? When you say they might not be able to afford it in the long term, is that because Sony subsidises the cost of playstation so heavily? Has it got to do with home media centers?
 
WeasteDevil said:
They couldn't afford to do so - hell, only time will tell if Microsoft and Sony really could afford it in the longer run, but both of those companies have larger agendas than simply games, and for the minute the PC cannot conform to the goals of that agenda (the PC doing so is what Microsoft ultimately want).

You think it's OK do you to be shelling out nigh on 200 pounds for an overclocked Gamecube (8 year plus technology) with and innovative control mechanism? I call it a rip off, and Nintendo IMO are purposely constraining supply to allow it to be deemed ok to be kept at such an inflated price. Christ knows what it looks like on a large HDTV either. Nintendo saw something in the market and went for it, and they hit gold - then again, they had very little to lose. I've said it time and time again, the control mechanism or something similar could easily be put onto any other machine, including the PS2 and original XBox. Probably little point in trying to do so now however, due to the market impact the Wii has had.

I'm glad it plays great games, that's what a games console should do, but it doesn't stop it being a technical turd in 2008 technology terms.
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I mostly agree with that (largely looks turd on HDtv, apart from Mario and Zelda).

However I also think £400+ for a console and £60 for games is a massive rip off two, no matter what fantastic technology they pretend costs so much money. The 360 and PS3 are only now coming closer to a decent price point (well the 360 is already there), but how anyone can justify that cost for the games is beyond me.

What is really a rip off on the Wii and PS3 (not Nintendo or Sony's fault) is the price of second hand games! Gamestation still sell them at up to £2 pound (yes, TWO POUND) cheaper than brand new. I nearly fecking chinned some turd at one the other day who told my missus they wanted £32 for Pro on the Wii when it's £27 brand new in the supermarkets!

Anyway, back to the topic, I've played plenty of the game now and it is indeed the best football game I've played since ISS on the snes. Even my Fifa fanboy friends admit that (which is something, I can tell you). Oh and don't listen to the reviews, the defence is actually much better than it looks at first, once you learn the full range of controls (specifically the drag-tackle), it becomes very tactical and therefore in line with the attacking portion of the game.

Now we need a sequel building on what they've started, with a specific engine built for the Wii's capabilities, and it'll be awesome.
 
dRNk SAnTA said:
Yeh come on, Nintendo never tried to compete with Playstation or Xbox when it came to power. It's still a great little machine and it will probably bring more invention to console gameplay than the Xbox and Playstation combined.

If you care about graphics then get a high spec PC because PC games will surpass console games in no time at all.
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They could well have competed again (the gamecube was a few polygons short of the Xbox and much better than the PS2). Nintendo always make huge profits on their machines. However the cost of actually making the games and the fact that developers are still making PS2 games (thus can port), made this course much more financially sound for them. But as Weaste points out, Sony and MS aren't just doing it for the games, plus long term Ninty have no chance of keeping it up.

As for the PC, the mid to top end systems at the time were already much more powerful than either of the new consoles. Mine is a year old and was a decent specced PC (not very top end) and it plays even latest releases like COD4 and Vegas 2 noticeably better.
 
Tried that new Euro2008 EA effort from the PlayStation store.
Be a Pro mode isn't bad but the only thing that FIFA does better at is that you can vary the depth of your cross.
 
Redlambs said:
They could well have competed again (the gamecube was a few polygons short of the Xbox and much better than the PS2). Nintendo always make huge profits on their machines. However the cost of actually making the games and the fact that developers are still making PS2 games (thus can port), made this course much more financially sound for them. But as Weaste points out, Sony and MS aren't just doing it for the games, plus long term Ninty have no chance of keeping it up.

As for the PC, the mid to top end systems at the time were already much more powerful than either of the new consoles. Mine is a year old and was a decent specced PC (not very top end) and it plays even latest releases like COD4 and Vegas 2 noticeably better.
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Are you saying computers have better graphics than PS2 and Xbox's, OR have better graphics then the ps3 and Xbox 360?
 
UnitedRoadRed said:
Tried that new Euro2008 EA effort from the PlayStation store.
Be a Pro mode isn't bad but the only thing that FIFA does better at is that you can vary the depth of your cross.
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Up until the last two years, I've prefered Pro to Fifa, but Fifa has now taken over. The only problem with the latest fifa is the shit passing, but then again I've not played it loads.

Pro on the Wii however, beats all hands down. It has it's niggling problems like the others, but it's just so refreshing and great to play.
 
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