there goes his shot at the hall. pitty. i have his rookie baseball card, which is now a fraction of its former value. thanks for fecking me, raffy!
palmeiro suspended for steroids
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Does this absolutely mean he cannot get into the hall of fame?
It is only a ten day suspension.
Tough break on the card though.
It is only a ten day suspension.
Tough break on the card though.
Well, if he does not get in, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and Sheffield shouldn't, though none have been found guilty of steriods (though Sheffield admitted using a supplement on his knee that was steroid; and Sosa was caught using a corked bat in a game which is highly illegal). Although it has yet to be proven that steriods increase one's stats. Sure it worked for Caminitti and Giambi, and probably the quartet I mentioned above, but until a scientific study comes out that is an emphatic yes or leaves little to deny, you can't hold it against him. In which case, alcohol is a drug and it impacts the team, not just the individual, yet Ruth is in the HOF, so is Mantle, etc. And excessive use is forbidden by MLB.
coupled with his show of false indignation in front of congress, i think a verified positive of a steroid test will prevent enough voters for casting ballots for him, yes.
Another week in the MLB.
Is anyone surprised anymore?
Wait, why do people even give a shit? A dishonest league full of dishonest players. It's expected at this point, isn't it?
Is anyone surprised anymore?
Wait, why do people even give a shit? A dishonest league full of dishonest players. It's expected at this point, isn't it?
Kevrockcity said:
And how about McGwire's non-denial of taking steroids and his constant 5th amendment invokement? That should disway balloters, but it won't. Because he was a good guy. He just wasn't going to lie to Congress and face future perjury charges.
Palmerio has more worries if this is steriods as he lied to Congress, which is far more serious than not being elected to HOF.
MrMarcello said:
i'm sure a lot won't put mcgwire on their ballots, either. but he never tested positive or was suspended for cheating, so more will give him the benefit of the doubt that they will raffy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050720
This is a good article on Palmeiro's Hall of Fame chance.
This is a good article on Palmeiro's Hall of Fame chance.
MrMarcello said:
Alcohol is not performance enhancing though.
Nearco said:
Do you have proof conducted by MLB? Supposedly it did not affect Ruth's hitting nor Mantle's hitting.
Wade Boggs hit 24 HR in 1987, something like 15 above his career high...does that mean he juiced that year?
For the record, I believe Palmerio has used, and probably 30-70% of players in the past 20 years. But without scientific proof that steroids does produce inflated numbers, I just don't see how voters can use the assumption or one-time failure on the downside of a player's career as basis to not vote the player in. If a player is caught during the prime of his career, I can see why. But on the downside of his career when no proof is there to prove the player used during his prime?
For the record, I believe Palmerio has used, and probably 30-70% of players in the past 20 years. But without scientific proof that steroids does produce inflated numbers, I just don't see how voters can use the assumption or one-time failure on the downside of a player's career as basis to not vote the player in. If a player is caught during the prime of his career, I can see why. But on the downside of his career when no proof is there to prove the player used during his prime?
Canseco says that he injected Palmeiro himself. Also I-Rod. It seems that what was in his book is true. After watching juicers Maguire and Sosa demolish Maris' record, I don't think there's much doubt that it enhances HR production.
MrMarcello said:
let's not be ridiculous. steroids is a banned substance on the basis of it being performance enhancing (i am sympathetic to arguments, however, that it is safe for use by male adults) - it demonstrably increases muscle mass, speeds up recovery from injury, allows for longer training sessions. this is performance enhancing. the explosion in home runs we've seen over the last 15 years - coinciding with the steroid era - demonstrates this fact. if it did not have such a positive effect on athletic achievement, why would a player like palmeiro risk suspension, public embarrassment, a shot at the hall of fame to use it?
the guy juiced. accept this.
Raffy boned Ryne Sandberg's first wife (among other teammate's wives). That's what got him traded away from the Cubs.
Nothing more to add to the discussion - just always liked that story. Harry Caray called her "that lil' Cleopatra" on air once, in one of his finer drunken moments.
Nothing more to add to the discussion - just always liked that story. Harry Caray called her "that lil' Cleopatra" on air once, in one of his finer drunken moments.
TheDevil'sOwn said:
sounds like a nice guy
Was that with or without Viagra?TheDevil'sOwn said:
strangely, palmeiro's kid is named after sandberg, isn't he?
sandberg's wife supposedly nailed mark grace, too, palmeiro's replacement at first base. how embarrassing - she must go for guys on the right side of the infield.
sandberg's wife supposedly nailed mark grace, too, palmeiro's replacement at first base. how embarrassing - she must go for guys on the right side of the infield.
I can't believe how quickly Sammy Sosa has got old. His performances have just plumeted, no steady decline. Just from great to shite.
i'm sure the steroid testing has nothing to do with it. same with bonds taking a year off because of some mysterious injury he won't let giants team doctors look at.
Kevrockcity said:
Wouldn't be suprised.
MLB has let this steriod issue go way to far by fannying around and not just blanket banning them
The sport of baseball is dead. This incident is just another example of some rich doped up bastard shagging its corpse.
Kevrockcity said:
What part of
Originally Posted by MrMarcello
For the record, I believe Palmerio has used, and probably 30-70% of players in the past 20 years.
do you not understand?
I have yet to hear one person say steroids increases a persons ability to hit a ball with perfect timing. It may give one more power or running speed or more agility, but it ain't going to make a batter be able to hit a ball. It's the hardest thing to do in sports.
MrMarcello said:What part of
Originally Posted by MrMarcello
For the record, I believe Palmerio has used, and probably 30-70% of players in the past 20 years.
do you not understand?
I have yet to hear one person say steroids increases a persons ability to hit a ball with perfect timing. It may give one more power or running speed or more agility, but it ain't going to make a batter be able to hit a ball. It's the hardest thing to do in sports.
If it increases strength then it reduces the need to hit the ball with perfect timing to get it out of the ball park. You can slightly miss hit it and with your extra strength you can make it carry that little bit further. That small distance can mean the difference between being caught in the deep and getting it over the fence
MrMarcello said:What part of
Originally Posted by MrMarcello
For the record, I believe Palmerio has used, and probably 30-70% of players in the past 20 years.
do you not understand?
I have yet to hear one person say steroids increases a persons ability to hit a ball with perfect timing. It may give one more power or running speed or more agility, but it ain't going to make a batter be able to hit a ball. It's the hardest thing to do in sports.
what i don't understand is your reluctance to admit the obvious - that steroids can improve one's ability to hit a baseball for power. and don't be coy - after your above quote, you cast doubt on palmeiro having used steroids during the prime of his career.
steroids increases power, bat speed, and ability to recuperate from injury, which would all inflate one's home run numbers.
MrMarcello said:
c'mon now. it's very difficult no doubt, but the hardest?
Kevrockcity said:
Where's the proof? It has yet to be proved that steroids does such. It's all speculation until tests from such players as Bonds and Sosa come up while producing such lofty statistics.
Looking Busy said:
Steroids will increase strength, but it won't necessarily increase bat speed which is the key to great hitting, average hitting, or terrible hitting. In fact, it has been stated that too much bulk can reduce bat speed (a fact often cited as Ruben Sierra's rapid decline from a top hitter in 1990 to an average hitter by the mid 90s).
Same thing is said of the tighter wound baseball, yet it has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be true.
It has been proven that a corked bat will give a greater impact on the ball which will result in longer drive.
It has been proven that foreign substances added to a baseball can alter the movement on a pitch.
MrMarcello said:
If you're looking for absolute proof, you are not going to find it, because baseball stats are more subjective that other sports, and because Canseco, Giambi, and I think, Dante Bichette are the only players to admit use . There is a subtantial amount of data to suggest that it does improve baseball performance. It's not going to help you actually hit the ball that much, but if you have the ability to hit the ball, it helps you hit it much farther.
Think about these guys: Magwire, Sosa, Bonds, Giambi, Canseco, Dykstra, Brady Anderson, I-Rod, Clemens, and Palmeiro. A lot of these guys all of a sudden had muscles and their performances dramatically improved.
In virtually every sport where you can accurately measure performance, steroids increase preformance. Palmeiro was taking the same steroid that Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson took.
Below i have provided a link to Ryne Sandberg`s HOF speech. A proper player who didn`t pump up and could play defense:
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/12275606.htm
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/12275606.htm