Out of all cup competitions via Old Trafford this season. Is this the worst it's been post SAF?

The Oracle

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Has it ever happened before?

We have exited all cup competitions at Old Trafford this season:

League Cup: Man Utd 0-1 West Ham
FA Cup: Man Utd 1-1 Middlesbrough (Boro won on penalties)
Champions League: Man Utd 0-1 Atletico Madrid (Madrid through 1-2 on aggregate)

I don't remember it ever happening during SAF's years.

Our stadium is no longer the fortress it used to be :(
 
Yes. Between keeping Ole for as long as we did and willingly making the team worse in January it's no surprise how shit we are.

Club hasn't a scooby what to do.
 
The Oracle said:
Has it ever happened before?

We have exited all cup competitions at Old Trafford this season:

League Cup: Man Utd 0-1 West Ham
FA Cup: Man Utd 1-1 Middlesbrough (Boro won on penalties)
Champions League: Man Utd 0-1 Atletico Madrid (Madrid through 1-2 on aggregate)

I don't remember it ever happening during SAF's years.

Our stadium is no longer the fortress it used to be :(
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This is the worst it's been post SAF.

Wasted 3 years of Ole with the 'United DNA' bollocks and left with a squad so overrated and overpaid you'd think we had the best player in the world in every position. In reality we need to gut the whole squad.
 
Our Old Trafford record in the CL knockouts is utter garbage. Real Madrid knocked us out there in 12/13, beat Olympiacos (after being 2-0 down in 1st leg) then drew to Bayern in 13/14, knocked out there by Sevilla in 17/18, lost to PSG and Barca at home (without even scoring) in 18/19, knocked out by Atletico this season.

Teams just don't fear us at OT any more.
 
I’m starting to think we’re just regressing to the mean tbh. Sir Alex kept us up there, and now he’s gone we’re back to where we were before he came - bouncing around the top half with the occasional cup run.
 
Time for a complete demolition and re-build of OT. Perhaps a new stadium will be the antidote to our troubles. Sorry, can't think of anything else that would help our team of overpaid losers.
 
the_cliff said:
This is the worst it's been post SAF.

Wasted 3 years of Ole with the 'United DNA' bollocks and left with a squad so overrated and overpaid you'd think we had the best player in the world in every position. In reality we need to gut the whole squad.
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The thing is, this squad managed a 3rd place finish 2 seasons ago, then a runners-up spot last season + EL final, and that's without the additions of Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo in the summer.

How do you explain that?
 
West Ham was early signs of Solskjaer waining
Boro was a freak result
Atletico was kinda expected to be honest

Theres always next season as the old saying goes.
 
Random Task said:
The thing is, this squad managed a 3rd place finish 2 seasons ago, then a runners-up spot last season + EL final, and that's without the additions of Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo in the summer.

How do you explain that?
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Liverpool with a huge injury crisis and Chelsea had lampard for most of the year. We got knocked out in the group stage of the CL so the europa final is not some great achievement.

We are shite right now and have been approaching a decade. Need a revolution and culture change. Gotta hope the new manager can do it.
 
Now we know what Ed was going on about when he said OT was like Disneyland. Yes it is, for the fecking opposition. With Mickey Maguire leading the parade.
 
17/18 was probably the only time Manchester United were effective at home. Since then, we only got worse under Solskjaer.

Home record
17/18: 15-2-2 (2.47 points per game)
18/19: 10-6-3 (1.89)
19/20: 10-7-2 (1.94)
20/21: 9-4-6 (1.63) - Last season was really bad under Solskjaer
21/22: 8-3-4 (1.80) - Under Solskjaer this season (2-1-3) - 1.17 points per game.


So, under Solskjaer, it went from 1.94 points to 1.63 points, and finally to 1.17 points per game. Shocking stuff, really.

This is the weakest the team has been.
 
I think it is the worst it's been for sure, because I barely care at the moment. At full time last night it was just kind of a shrug of the shoulders reaction from me. I never thought I'd get to the point where I felt like that.
 
My opinion is that is doesn't have anything to do with OT, it's just because we are so bad.
In CL we were destroyed by Barca away after also losing at home, lost after a remarkably disappointing performance in Athens against Olympiakos and also lost against Bayern after playing surprisingly well for about 60 minutes or so. Against Sevilla we played for a 0-0 draw and didn't even had 1 decent chance.

We are just 2 or 3 levels bellow the top teams, that's the reality.

I would say it's not the worst season after SAF, Moyes's season and when Ole took over were just as bad, only difference is that we reached the QF of the CL back then.

The disappointing and really sad thing is that we are back to square 1, we haven't progressed in any way all these years post SAF and all the youngsters we thought were going to become UTD legends are becoming mediocre players, just like many of the ones we spent stupid amounts on.

We lost a lot of time because the board believed in the managers they've hired. Moyes should have been sacked much sooner, with LVG it was obvious after the first year we were going nowhere, at least he did won an FA Cup at the end. Mourinho was the only manager who deserved his 2 full years but ended up like he always does. Ole's stay was prolonged 2 years, brought some stability in terms of league positions but the end showed in what state he left us. Ralf can't do miracles in 6 months, honestly I don't think he can even if he stays 6 years.

We need a top manager and the board needs to be ruthless when results aren't as expected. We need to sell players sooner and not wait till their contracts run out.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Liverpool with a huge injury crisis and Chelsea had lampard for most of the year. We got knocked out in the group stage of the CL so the europa final is not some great achievement.

We are shite right now and have been approaching a decade. Need a revolution and culture change. Gotta hope the new manager can do it.
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Liverpool losing VVD for most of the season doesn't amount to an injury crisis, and for all the supposed improvements made by Chelsea under Tuchel, they're only a few points ahead of us in the table. The sheer drop in squad-wide performances this season don't add up. It makes no sense.

The likes of Maguire, Shaw, Rashford (was banging them in back then) and Bruno were among our best players last season - Shaw in particular, who many were suggesting was the top LB in Europe last season. They aren't showing any close to that quality this season.

The problem could be something as simple as the squad, for the most part, is just out of form.
 
This is the absolute worst and it appears the club has learned nothing. Lots of noise about all the “hard work” going into finding a new manager but nothing on player recruitment. Don’t you wish you brief the media about how hard you’re working when in reality you’re just doing your fecking job.

The club line seems to remain of the view that they only recruit players when the manager is in charge. I can almost guarantee that the summer transfer window will be an absolute disaster because we’ll be too late and will miss out on some of the players available on a free transfer. Kessie already gone to Barca and more will be off the market by then. I have no faith Murtough and Arnold will turn this around.
 
Random Task said:
The thing is, this squad managed a 3rd place finish 2 seasons ago, then a runners-up spot last season + EL final, and that's without the additions of Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo in the summer.

How do you explain that?
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Covid and our competition being a lot shitter than us. Arsenal was a joke, so was Spurs, Chelsea had Lampard for a season and a half and Liverpool had to loan defenders to finish last season.

Back to normal, back to being shit.
 
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By a country mile this is the worst, makes Jose seasons look class. The whole squad needs gutting, you can count on one hand how many players deserve to stay.
 
Yes, I’m of the belief that this all started because we let things go for far too long under Solskjær, it made the season and atmosphere unsalvageable. He should’ve been sacked far, far sooner. Had we sacked him in, say, October I don’t think the players confidence would’ve been nearly as destroyed as it ended up being. How he was allowed to continue after the 5-0 I’ll never know, complete and utter incompetence at board level that will very likely persist under another manager. We’re finished.
 
Random Task said:
Liverpool losing VVD for most of the season doesn't amount to an injury crisis, and for all the supposed improvements made by Chelsea under Tuchel, they're only a few points ahead of us in the table. The sheer drop in squad-wide performances this season don't add up. It makes no sense.

The likes of Maguire, Shaw, Rashford (was banging them in back then) and Bruno were among our best players last season - Shaw in particular, who many were suggesting was the top LB in Europe last season. They aren't showing any close to that quality this season.

The problem could be something as simple as the squad, for the most part, is just out of form.
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They didn't just lose Vvd, they lost their top three cbs for most of the season. For all their supposed improvements they have a fecking European cup. The drop off was to be expected . Not to this extent obviously. We couldn't know that youngster was a criminal. We didn't know Rashford would be this awful. Bruno was poor for a couple months heading into this season. You can blame it on form but if you actually look at players like Shaw and Maguire, they are inconsistent as feck and have always been.

Plenty of people were saying last year to get rid of Ole and we were heading nowhere under him. That second and third place means absolutely nothing.
 
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