After Sat's game, are there any more doubters left concerning the sorry state our defence is in? (except for barca99 of course 
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)Our defence - again!
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Oh FFS here we go again. There were no major gaffes in the game although I thought Barthez could possibly have done better on the first. It was just a cracking game with 8 bloody good goals. It was a brilliant match that left me on a high so how can you be depressed by it <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
It all comes down to how we (and the opposition) go at the match as to how many we let in. This was a hell for leather game with both teams going all out, as such you will always be more vulnerable on the break and you get results like 5-3, the 3-4 to Newcastle earlier in the season was the same thing only we weren't finishing as well at the time and ended up losing it. We also played similar games against Villa away, against Fulham twice and against Spurs we invariably finish with the upper hand in these types of game so they don't worry me that much and I just enjoy them for what they are, fecking great football.
Our vulnerability this season (and earlier) has come against teams who have arrived with the opposite game plan, the defend at all costs and hit on the break matches against the likes of Liverpool, Deportive and Bayern. Over the last 2 years we have struggled to break down the more resolute defences and lost our shape as a result with the inevitable break away goals punishing us. We appear to have addressed this issue of late and handled both matches against Bayern with the composure and discipline through defence and midfield that has been required.
We have always played this way and always will, if your nerves can't stand it go watch a team that are more your pace. I hear Liverpool have a calming effect these days
It all comes down to how we (and the opposition) go at the match as to how many we let in. This was a hell for leather game with both teams going all out, as such you will always be more vulnerable on the break and you get results like 5-3, the 3-4 to Newcastle earlier in the season was the same thing only we weren't finishing as well at the time and ended up losing it. We also played similar games against Villa away, against Fulham twice and against Spurs we invariably finish with the upper hand in these types of game so they don't worry me that much and I just enjoy them for what they are, fecking great football.
Our vulnerability this season (and earlier) has come against teams who have arrived with the opposite game plan, the defend at all costs and hit on the break matches against the likes of Liverpool, Deportive and Bayern. Over the last 2 years we have struggled to break down the more resolute defences and lost our shape as a result with the inevitable break away goals punishing us. We appear to have addressed this issue of late and handled both matches against Bayern with the composure and discipline through defence and midfield that has been required.
We have always played this way and always will, if your nerves can't stand it go watch a team that are more your pace. I hear Liverpool have a calming effect these days
Well said BR!
We still need to strengthen our defence though this closed season!
We still need to strengthen our defence though this closed season!
Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>Oh FFS here we go again. There were no major gaffes in the game although I thought Barthez could possibly have done better on the first. It was just a cracking game with 8 bloody good goals. It was a brilliant match that left me on a high so how can you be depressed by it <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
It all comes down to how we (and the opposition) go at the match as to how many we let in. This was a hell for leather game with both teams going all out, as such you will always be more vulnerable on the break and you get results like 5-3, the 3-4 to Newcastle earlier in the season was the same thing only we weren't finishing as well at the time and ended up losing it. We also played similar games against Villa away, against Fulham twice and against Spurs we invariably finish with the upper hand in these types of game so they don't worry me that much and I just enjoy them for what they are, fecking great football.
Our vulnerability this season (and earlier) has come against teams who have arrived with the opposite game plan, the defend at all costs and hit on the break matches against the likes of Liverpool, Deportive and Bayern. Over the last 2 years we have struggled to break down the more resolute defences and lost our shape as a result with the inevitable break away goals punishing us. We appear to have addressed this issue of late and handled both matches against Bayern with the composure and discipline through defence and midfield that has been required.
We have always played this way and always will, if your nerves can't stand it go watch a team that are more your pace. I hear Liverpool have a calming effect these days
Our defending was and will continue to be littered with schoolboy errors until we inject new blood this summer.
I wasn't depressed with the result, only the sorry defending.
It was food for thought for the "everything is fine with our current defenders" brigade.
FYI, we lost to pool and deportivo this season - twice each so what's this about improving?
I was serious about needing to improve our defence BTW!
Originally posted by lchk:
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Our defending was and will continue to be littered with schoolboy errors until we inject new blood this summer.
I wasn't depressed with the result, only the sorry defending.
It was food for thought for the "everything is fine with our current defenders" brigade.
FYI, we lost to pool and deportivo this season - twice each so what's this about improving?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know we lost those matches, my point was that they were early season whereas of late, teams that have tried to stonewall have found themselves met by similar levels of resistance and renewed resolve from midfield and attack. What "schoolboy errors" littered this weekends performance and inspired this thread anyway?
We will need new defenders in the summer but that is mainly by dint of Larry and Den leaving rather than some great defensive clearout as you appear to advocate.
As for your post being food for thought for the "everything is rosie brigade", what does it offer by way of sustenance that would define it as food and what thought (additional) has gone into it as I only see the same post that you come up with every time we concede a goal or fail to score. NB repeating a point ad infinitum does not serve to reinforce what you say, only to irritate those listening.
I wasn't depressed by your post, just irritated by the drip drip drip of the leaking tap and the thought that with more taps bound to join in we could be on for another downpour, 'n heres me having left my brolly at home as everything appeared sunny after the weekend
I can't see how you can complain about your defence Itchy.
To let one goal in at Villa Park and Spunky saving a penalty you should be proud of them.
Do you think you could keep Tony Adams for another season as well?
To let one goal in at Villa Park and Spunky saving a penalty you should be proud of them.
Do you think you could keep Tony Adams for another season as well?
You should always be looking to strengthen your team and its cleary the defence that is the position that needs the most work..
Whilst Inchy might be a whinger and go OTT you can't be happy when the likes of West Ham knock 3 past you..
Whilst Inchy might be a whinger and go OTT you can't be happy when the likes of West Ham knock 3 past you..
Originally posted by stoned.rose:
<strong>I can't see how you can complain about your defence Itchy.
To let one goal in at Villa Park and Spunky saving a penalty you should be proud of them.
Do you think you could keep Tony Adams for another season as well?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nice one mr stone
Ichck, just an observation...but why do your posts only whinge? we all know that a new defender or 2 is needed in the summer, no need to keep telling us till youre blue in the face (or maybe youre already a light colour of blue hmmmm ) Fergie will sort it out in the summer, till then give it a rest eh <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
) Fergie will sort it out in the summer, till then give it a rest eh <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>After Sat's game, are there any more doubters left concerning the sorry state our defence is in? (except for barca99 of course
You doubt United at your peril.... <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>After Sat's game, are there any more doubters left concerning the sorry state our defence is in? (except for barca99 of course
Did you post after the Bayern game ?
<img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>Ichck, just an observation...but why do your posts only whinge? we all know that a new defender or 2 is needed in the summer, no need to keep telling us till youre blue in the face (or maybe youre already a light colour of blue hmmmm
Just to reiterate the point to some folks here who still think our defence is fine and dandy with the current players.
Originally posted by barca1999:
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You doubt United at your peril.... <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't doubt, I know.
False optimism can be heart-breaking at times.
He doesn't get it Bob, it's the way United play. We are always going to leave the back four exposed simply because we play entertaining and attacking footy. I think he should become a poo fan because that is their way, defence first.
TTR = 3-5 wins away from home rather than 0-1 wins ... any 'kin day!
TTR = 3-5 wins away from home rather than 0-1 wins ... any 'kin day!
<img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> Ichk!
You've got poor old Bob all flustered now! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
You've got poor old Bob all flustered now! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>He doesn't get it Bob, it's the way United play. We are always going to leave the back four exposed simply because we play entertaining and attacking footy. I think he should become a poo fan because that is their way, defence first.
TTR = 3-5 wins away from home rather than 0-1 wins ... any 'kin day!
Surely you agree that the defence needs to get somewhat stronger? and this his has nothing to do with the way we play.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong> <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> Ichk!
You've got poor old Bob all flustered now! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
I recommended the chill pill
Ichk, change the record - it's getting boring. Everybody knows we do need strengthening and we will buy one or two defenders in the summer; in the meantime just get behind the lads.
It seems some people will only be happy if we end up having boring, dull, defensive displays. Sod attacking football....
Even better, become a Liverpool fan.
United have always been an attacking side and the defence get stretched sometime because of it, it's hardly a new thing is it? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Even better, become a Liverpool fan.
United have always been an attacking side and the defence get stretched sometime because of it, it's hardly a new thing is it? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Their first two goals were well deserved. Not much Fab could've done with the first one, short of being taller (cue Redpie rant). Kanoute placed the 2nd one perfectly as well. Not much Fab could've done there. The third one was definitely preventable - from losing the ball, to the casual defending on Dafoe. So in retrospect I only blame one goal on crap defending, and the first two on exceptional play on the part of the WH players.
There maybe something missing in defence, but it can't be much. Concentration maybe?
We conceded three goals to West Ham, but none to Bayern and Boavista.
I've said it b4 - but we often play better against better quality opposition. (Which is probably why we haven't beaten Liverpool recently. )
We conceded three goals to West Ham, but none to Bayern and Boavista.
I've said it b4 - but we often play better against better quality opposition. (Which is probably why we haven't beaten Liverpool recently.
)Originally posted by lchk:
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Not as serious as Real or Deportivo</strong><hr></blockquote>
We outplayed Deportivo twice. Were unlucky not to hang on at the Riazor, and then of course we ran into some Barthez bloopers at OT. I'd imagine that no one (except maybe Liverpool) are looking forward to drawing us in the quarters.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>(Which is probably why we haven't beaten Liverpool recently.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Our defense was looking quite solid until johnsen apeared on the scene... we had a fairly decent defensive run if i remember rightly...
We certainly need some new players in our defence so I'm curious about who it will be in the summer.. Looks like Nesta is out of the question, so I want either Tudor, Mexes or Hofland.. Time will tell ! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">