Cauz we lost yesterday doesn't mean that we turn a blind eye to the excellent performance of JOS when he came on yesterday. I thought he was a real star. He played right back/wing back, right midfield AND could have easily scored two. He missed a real sitter, but hey, the cause was lost already by then.
O'Shea
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Agreed good movement from the Irish lad, He'll be knockin'em in sooner rather than later.
A big strong lad, reads the game well, gets better with every outing More players of this mold needed at OT, (ie) Big Strong and Mobile
A big strong lad, reads the game well, gets better with every outing More players of this mold needed at OT, (ie) Big Strong and Mobile
Maybe he should play in midfield with Keano <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
We need to get John and rio paired up in the Premiership as soon as possible.
Playing Larry means we have to defend deep to conteract his lack of pace which in turn is forcing the midfield to drop deeper to make sure there isn't a large gap between the defence and the midfield.
Playing Larry means we have to defend deep to conteract his lack of pace which in turn is forcing the midfield to drop deeper to make sure there isn't a large gap between the defence and the midfield.
From ManUtd.com:
John O'Shea has told Manchester United magazine how flattered he is by comparisons with ex-Reds Gary Pallister and Paul McGrath, as well as other players like O'Leary, Lawrenson and Ferdinand.
The 21-year-old United and Republic of Ireland defender has been attracting favourable reviews from all quarters after playing a part in all but two of United's first team games so far this season.
"It's amazing that I've been compared to so many great players," he tells the November issue of the club's official mag.
"I'm pleased just to be likened to one of them, let alone so many. If I turn out to be half as good a player as any of them, I'll have had a half-decent career.
"I suppose I could maybe see similarities in each of the players, but because I'm similar height-wise and build-wise to Gary Pallister - and because he played here - I can definitely see why people have made the comparison. I wouldn't mind the career he had here, that's for sure! I'd also like to build up a partnership with someone like the one he had with Steve Bruce."
Sir Alex has similar hopes, having gone on the record to state that he hopes John will form a miserly duo with Rio Ferdinand at the centre of defence from next season on. Again, his words were music to John's ears.
"Hearing what the manager said was a huge boost," he admitted.
"But I know that there will be other players with something to say about that. Wes will certainly have something to say about it. There'll be competition, but it bodes well for the future that he's said what he has. It was nice to hear, you know."
And at the time of writing, John is the sole United representative in the Republic of Ireland squad, following Roy Keane's summer walk-out. That's still the hot topic of conversation across the water, says John.
"All my mates at home are asking me about it. It's unbelievable," John continued.
"They all want the inside story, you know, they ask "What's Roy saying?" I just don't tell them anything and stay away from it. When we met up on the Thursday before the Switzerland game the people with the Irish team basically wanted me to stay away from the press because they knew that they'd be asking me about Roy.
"I was rooming with Gary Doherty, who plays for Spurs, and he went down for a press conference and it was all about Roy. So imagine what questions they'd have been asking if I'd have been there!
"I've decided to stay out of it. The books have come out, everything has been said, it's done and dusted. The papers in Ireland, though, they just won't let it die."
John O'Shea has told Manchester United magazine how flattered he is by comparisons with ex-Reds Gary Pallister and Paul McGrath, as well as other players like O'Leary, Lawrenson and Ferdinand.
The 21-year-old United and Republic of Ireland defender has been attracting favourable reviews from all quarters after playing a part in all but two of United's first team games so far this season.
"It's amazing that I've been compared to so many great players," he tells the November issue of the club's official mag.
"I'm pleased just to be likened to one of them, let alone so many. If I turn out to be half as good a player as any of them, I'll have had a half-decent career.
"I suppose I could maybe see similarities in each of the players, but because I'm similar height-wise and build-wise to Gary Pallister - and because he played here - I can definitely see why people have made the comparison. I wouldn't mind the career he had here, that's for sure! I'd also like to build up a partnership with someone like the one he had with Steve Bruce."
Sir Alex has similar hopes, having gone on the record to state that he hopes John will form a miserly duo with Rio Ferdinand at the centre of defence from next season on. Again, his words were music to John's ears.
"Hearing what the manager said was a huge boost," he admitted.
"But I know that there will be other players with something to say about that. Wes will certainly have something to say about it. There'll be competition, but it bodes well for the future that he's said what he has. It was nice to hear, you know."
And at the time of writing, John is the sole United representative in the Republic of Ireland squad, following Roy Keane's summer walk-out. That's still the hot topic of conversation across the water, says John.
"All my mates at home are asking me about it. It's unbelievable," John continued.
"They all want the inside story, you know, they ask "What's Roy saying?" I just don't tell them anything and stay away from it. When we met up on the Thursday before the Switzerland game the people with the Irish team basically wanted me to stay away from the press because they knew that they'd be asking me about Roy.
"I was rooming with Gary Doherty, who plays for Spurs, and he went down for a press conference and it was all about Roy. So imagine what questions they'd have been asking if I'd have been there!
"I've decided to stay out of it. The books have come out, everything has been said, it's done and dusted. The papers in Ireland, though, they just won't let it die."
The point I've making all along about Larry is that he keeps JOS out of the side. It's time for that situation to reverse.
SAF knows that Larry is a tremendous influcence to the long term development of JOS. We have to remember that both Rio and JOS are very young to be an enstablished defensive pairing, and that Larry is there to help them.
The future's bright, lets not spoil that by rushing them. For know we're better off keeping faith in Blanc.
The future's bright, lets not spoil that by rushing them. For know we're better off keeping faith in Blanc.
Larry was there on Sat 'cos of his big game experience, I think. JOS is good but with defenders experience counts for more than say for strikers. I too hope to see him partner Rio but he's coming along nicely now, no need to rush things too much.
Blanc's not so much helping them as hindering them, thats the point - they're having to carry him.
I think JOS should partner Rio right now. Good point about the experience Blanc has, but the man is a disaster. Rio has maturity beyond his years and could be the man to guide JOS through.
JOS has played outstandingly well this season at RB, LB and CB. Saturday was another excellent performance, and he should have been brought on at half-time....(maybe even as soon as the second goal went in). The defence always looks stronger when he is on the field.
I'd like to see Wes back at RB alongside JOS ...they've both got good feet, good speed and carry their head high.
I'd like to see Wes back at RB alongside JOS ...they've both got good feet, good speed and carry their head high.
The most impressive thing for me was the look in his eyes when he cam on the pitch - no sign of nerves or surrender - just a quiet determination to get Utd back into the game - it's this attitude that sets him apart from other young players like chadwick or Greening who look as if they know they are just not quite as good as the player they are brought into replace.
Lucky though that his miss came so late in the game that it didn't matter - if it had happened with say 15 minutes to go it would be all the papers were talking about. Still we don't play him to score goals - I think by the end of the season he'll be totally integrated into the defence and a given starter provided he is fit.
Lucky though that his miss came so late in the game that it didn't matter - if it had happened with say 15 minutes to go it would be all the papers were talking about. Still we don't play him to score goals - I think by the end of the season he'll be totally integrated into the defence and a given starter provided he is fit.
To be honest i don't see the point in waiting. We might as well put him in for a few games and see how he does.
Some people may think it a risk but lets be honest we've got nothing to lose.
Some people may think it a risk but lets be honest we've got nothing to lose.
He's a fantastic young player and there is no doubt. None at all. Those that complain about the youth system should really look at him. Fantastic defender that could also play in midfield (not with Keane though - Scholes - bit like Ronny J in a way)
I think that after Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Gillespie, etc. came out of the youth system, they were told to concentrate on pulling up some decent defenders. And what have they done, pulled up two. Brown is an excellent tallent, you cannot deny it. Ok, not the finished article on the mental level, but he will ge that. But O'Shea just oooozzzzes class, even though he still has not completely got it. Both are very young too, as is Rio (when on form).
Can anyone agree with me that SAF is getting it right? Actually providing us with a quality central defence for many years to come? <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
I think that after Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Gillespie, etc. came out of the youth system, they were told to concentrate on pulling up some decent defenders. And what have they done, pulled up two. Brown is an excellent tallent, you cannot deny it. Ok, not the finished article on the mental level, but he will ge that. But O'Shea just oooozzzzes class, even though he still has not completely got it. Both are very young too, as is Rio (when on form).
Can anyone agree with me that SAF is getting it right? Actually providing us with a quality central defence for many years to come? <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
he should be playing now ,he is our best defender ,he has been consistently outstanding,he is going to be the best in the world,give him 5 years
Good though Rio is, he still makes too many mistakes. He is young so I am sure he will learn. It is better for him to learn from Blanc than O'Shea.
the dilemma is that we're giving young players experience alongside a former master at a time when we really cant afford to carry anyone who cant make the pace. its the fastest league in the world and old uncle larry is...well... slow.
we havent got the gap on other teams we used to have and which we'd need to Carry Larry.
he's a great dancer though. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
slow.we havent got the gap on other teams we used to have and which we'd need to Carry Larry.
he's a great dancer though. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />