O'Shea

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I've noticed lately that he's become a bit of a favourite on here...with some even suggesting that he should be a first team starter next season...

Why?

How often has he played for you?

I'm not saying he's no good, as I've got no idea, but he seems to have instilled a lot of confidence already..

No Murtesque "He's Irish, new Paul McGrath" replies please
 
he came in before christmas when we were having a bad spell with injuries and also performances, i think he just came in and put some solidity back into the back four, i think he concentrates more than wes,
he is big as well and good in the air, more like pallister i think than mcgrath, he reads the game well also.
I think he will be a future star at OT and for ireland, in fact keano was pushing for him to be brought to the world cup,
 
Originally posted by bananaman:
<strong>he came in before christmas when we were having a bad spell with injuries and also performances, i think he just came in and put some solidity back into the back four, i think he concentrates more than wes,
he is big as well and good in the air, more like pallister i think than mcgrath, he reads the game well also.
I think he will be a future star at OT and for ireland, in fact keano was pushing for him to be brought to the world cup,</strong><hr></blockquote>

How many games has he played in then?

I remember him playing against the Arse in the Worthy when you got thrashed, and apparantly he had a good game then??

I reckon you're going to struggle to give both him and OG enough games, if you sign another CB and partner him with Blanc..which I think you will
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yeah i agree, he hasnt played a lot of games and he will struggle to hold down a place if we sign a centre back, but i dont think Blanc wil be playing a lot this season, i would see him making way everynow and again and wes or o'shea playing,

my personal opinion (and i know this will kick off) is that o'shea is more composed and more focussed than wes, i think wes has great technical abilities but has a nasty habit of being a bit lax about certain bits, when i have seen o'shea play hes more like an old style centre half, if in doubt get it out!

:)
 
I agree with banana. O'Shea did look more the rock that Wes hasn't of late. Thing is he hasn't played enough games, it's just that what we've all seen of him suggests he is a huge talent. I think Blanc will play most games this season though and O'Shea will only play if we don't sign a new CB or if there are injuries. He'll play in the worthless though I should imagine. For my money, O'Shea is one for next year once Larry says adieu.
 
Originally posted by bananaman:
<strong>yeah i agree, he hasnt played a lot of games and he will struggle to hold down a place if we sign a centre back, but i dont think Blanc wil be playing a lot this season, i would see him making way everynow and again and wes or o'shea playing,

my personal opinion (and i know this will kick off) is that o'shea is more composed and more focussed than wes, i think wes has great technical abilities but has a nasty habit of being a bit lax about certain bits, when i have seen o'shea play hes more like an old style centre half, if in doubt get it out!

:) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats the think I reckon, it will be hard to "blood" O'Shea and play OG..

I can see one of them being left out a fair bit, so it could mean that you have to choose between them..

As I've said, I've no idea how good O'Shea is, but I'd guess that he's better than OG... ;)
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Its too early to say anything other than he looks promising - I don't think we can comment on his concentration yet, because he hasn't played in enough games to see, or big enough games. From the little we've seen of him he does remind me of Pallister, rather than McGrath, too. To say he is better than Wes though is ridiculous, maybe he has more potential but not already better as being a defender is all about experience, handling different types of forwards and attacks. He seems as composed as Wes, and can put in a good tackle though I doubt as accomplished as Wes at that, who is one of the game's best tacklers. Wes does have a fault of trying to be too composed on the ball, instead of whacking it out when need be - but I doubt he'll repeat that mistake this season! Wes has had so much injury trouble that he's effectively a couple of years behind on what his age would suggest - and yet he's still went to the WC after only playing a couple of games after injury. If es stays clear of injury this season and gets a good run of games then I'd expect to see his game develop and confidence, and he'll be one of the best defenders in the premiership. The problem is that after last season we aren't going to be able to give these two any time to develop in the team, and established defenders will go in there. I think they should play a lot of the domestic cup and league games though.
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>He's clearly not as promising as the Irish Ryan Giggs: Ritchie Partridge ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

A hilarious post from Middy as he attempts to turn the topic round to Liverpool..

Well done Midlandzzzz
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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If you don't like it, ignore it</strong><hr></blockquote>

It was a nice little reminder for you not to spoil what has so far been a decent thread, with your need to try to turn things against us...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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It was a nice little reminder for you not to spoil what has so far been a decent thread, with your need to try to turn things against us...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Rich coming from you..
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>To say he is better than Wes though is ridiculous, maybe he has more potential but not already better as being a defender is all about experience, handling different types of forwards and attacks. </strong><hr></blockquote>

most of your points were valid but to be honest I think wes brown is over rated, I think he is a good player but "one of the best tacklers in the game", if he was that good why are we trying to buy centre halves?

Wes is a good player, I dont like seeing him playing centre half, i dont think his concentration is good enough, he has to make too many tackles, most of defending is all in the head, watching the game, making decisions, I think wes needs more work on that, im not saying o'shea is perfect by any means, i just think he looks more composed, focussed and a better prospect.
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Originally posted by bananaman:
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Wes is a good player, I dont like seeing him playing centre half, i dont think his concentration is good enough, he has to make too many tackles, most of defending is all in the head, watching the game, making decisions, I think wes needs more work on that, im not saying o'shea is perfect by any means, i just think he looks more composed, focussed and a better prospect.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. I feel sorry for Wes who has had his share of injury trouble but he just hasn't convinced me often enough. Wes has great pace and is composed on the ball but his positional sense is all over the place at times and his reading of the game leaves a lot to be desired.

What really worries me most about Wes is he doesn't look intimidating in any sense. He actually looks fearful on the pitch and centre half is one postion that you can't be like that. When we play Wes and Blanc there is no real physically impossing presence in the back four and for that reason I think O'Shea is a better prospect.

Maybe Wes needs a proper rest watching how Blanc reads the game and then step in the yaer after as the natural 'footballer' centre half in the back four. To be honest I think Wes is running out of time. He needs to start putting in fiercer performances or else he might never fulfill his potential.
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Originally posted by Rory 7:
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I agree. I feel sorry for Wes who has had his share of injury trouble but he just hasn't convinced me often enough. Wes has great pace and is composed on the ball but his positional sense is all over the place at times and his reading of the game leaves a lot to be desired.

What really worries me most about Wes is he doesn't look intimidating in any sense. He actually looks fearful on the pitch and centre half is one postion that you can't be like that. When we play Wes and Blanc there is no real physically impossing presence in the back four and for that reason I think O'Shea is a better prospect.

Maybe Wes needs a proper rest watching how Blanc reads the game and then step in the yaer after as the natural 'footballer' centre half in the back four. To be honest I think Wes is running out of time. He needs to start putting in fiercer performances or else he might never fulfill his potential.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wes is one of the best tacklers in the game, but like you two have said, that is only one of the skills of a central defender. Rio is a much better header of the ball for example, while Blanc is much better at reading the game. Perhaps with all three they can rub off some of these skills on each other.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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As I've said, I've no idea how good O'Shea is, but I'd guess that he's better than OG... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

As a centre back he's definitely better than Ole Gunnar, but Ole has other qualities.
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Surely OG will be above O'Shea in the pecking order tho?

Which will mean that, injuries apart, he won't play very often this season...

How old is he?
 
O'Shea is twenty -one.

The promise about O'Shea is that he is a cool customer who can play football. It depends on your preference for centre halves. If you want a brute then so be it but neither O'Shea or Wes are that. I suppose lots of people would like to see O'Shea given a run because he has potential, plays the game the right way, the United way and he is young.

O'Shea is captain of the Irish U-21's and his performances have been remarkable for them.

O'Shea was part of the Irish teams that got to the u-20 world cup and won the european u18 championship in 1998.

But the most important thing is that he plays it the right way.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Surely OG will be above O'Shea in the pecking order tho?

Which will mean that, injuries apart, he won't play very often this season...

How old is he?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I personally can't see O'Shea jumping Wes in the pecking order, however he played about twelve games last year and looked composed in all of them. So I can't really see him playing that often either which is a pity.

One of the main reasons he lost his place last season was he picked up an injury. IMO if he didn't get injured he wouldn't have lost his place and therefore would have played a lot more as AF has put a lot of stay with him.

I think he is only about 20 years old.
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I think O'Shea's future hinges a lot on whether we get Rio or an older player like Thuram. If Rio comes in, it will essentially make O'Shea at least 3rd choice behind him and Wes for a number of years. If Thuram, or someone of that ilk, comes in, he'll be up the pecking order sooner.

Too hard to judge how good he is atm. I think a lot of peeps have been touting him, and rightly so in some ways, because it's all quiet on the 'buying a new CB' front.

Personally, I think he'll be a star for us very, very soon.
 
To say that O'Shea should be a regular starter immediately is too optimistic, of course. That's all about potential for him right now. He definitely has potential but still need some time to fulfill it. Currently he is still behind Brown in the pecking order, but time is on his side. Actually someone suggest that we should loan him out for a season and basicaly I agree with that.
 
I think the days of having only two center backs as in Bruce Pallister are over, we need 4. O'Shea, Brown, and Blanc are there for now but we need at least one more quality defender. I think the key is experiece, after all Wes and O'Shea need more time to learn their trade.

I like OShea but he needs another season or two to be considered first choice. Ironically as some of the Irish international team have retired, I think it will help United as he gets more international games and get experience.
 
My god! A sensible and very good United based football thread started by Davo. :eek: ;)
 
I think the days of having only two center backs as in Bruce Pallister are over, we need 4. O'Shea, Brown, and Blanc are there for now but we need at least one more quality defender <hr></blockquote>


I don't think you can swap in and out CBs, in the same way you can other players. Alot of the misery early last season was the inconsistency of partnership at the heart of the defence. You still have partnerships at CB, Hypia and Henchoz for example.......

The closest we got to this in recent years was Stam and Johnsen, if only Ronnys knees would have held up.

Ferguson should pick two and make them the mainstays........
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Originally posted by seanoc:
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I don't think you can swap in and out CBs, in the same way you can other players.
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I agree with that..

Which further suggests to me that O'Shea will struggle to play much next season
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Originally posted by Davo:
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It was a nice little reminder for you not to spoil what has so far been a decent thread, with your need to try to turn things against us...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Interesting thread, Davo, from what Iv'e seen of O'Shea I think he has great promise, but a run in the side will tell us more. Not to distract from the thread, I see a similarity in O'Shea and young Wright at Pool, I wonder how you see him progressing in your side, I think both these youngster have a bright future.
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