O'Shea RB or CB?

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John O'Shea aain played at rightback, dunno why, is gary injured or was he dropped again?
Anyway where do you think O'shea is best. Personally I feel it a bit of a waste to see a guy that tall and strong in a rightback position. He gets forward well but his cross isnt to impresive. TBH he has played well in boths positions, Brown played in the CB role today but I would say he is more of a rightback than O'shea. Is he destinded to become a Right back, or will he be Ferdinand long standing partner ??
 
He was impressive both ways if you ask me.

In the center, he is very solid. In the right back, he is very courage to push forward and even dribble through opposing defense.

Awesome player that O'Shea. Better than Brown in my opinion.
 
I think Wes is happier at CB so given Gazza's injury it made sense to play JOS at RB where he's played well a few times.
 
Originally posted by kf:
<strong>I think Wes is happier at CB so given Gazza's injury it made sense to play JOS at RB where he's played well a few times.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But where is JOS happier?

If he's happier at CB, that's where he should be.
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Wes had just come back, its less tiring to play CB so it made sense in this game. Longer term, it just depends on injuries, form, and rotation.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But where is JOS happier?

If he's happier at CB, that's where he should be.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Seems to enjoy the freedom to get forward that playing RB gives him. Gets to nutmeg a couple of players every game ;) .
Has been a revelation this year. Definately the best thing about United this year. If we had 2 more youth players break into the first team and perform as he has this year, then the season will be a good one even without silverware.
JohnO won every single header he went up for yesterday. Awesome
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They are both very very good defenders Bown and O'Shea and both are strong and tall. They are still only prospects though, so lets not get too carried away just yet. Both of them still need to develop their game in several areas.

I think it is best just to play them, swap them about between rightback and centreback and let's see who is best suited/enjoys each position. All you do then is pick the best centreback and put the other one in the rightback role. O'Shea does love getting forward though doesn't he?

It does look promising for the future, with two English and one Irish defenders, and all still very young too. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

And those who have been complaining about the youth system recently, not many other clubs that I can think of have come up with two such talented young defenders.
 
O'Shea and Alex have said that O'Shea is primarily a centre back and will be played that way. But its handy for him to be cover when Gary is injured. At least until we buy a new rightback.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But where is JOS happier?

If he's happier at CB, that's where he should be.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Silvestre's happier at CB.

Believe me, he shouldn't be there!
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Silvestre's happier at CB.

Believe me, he shouldn't be there!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Your point being?

My point is that JOS is a good centre-back and if that's his preferred position, he should be in it because he's excellent there.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Your point being?

My point is that JOS is a good centre-back and if that's his preferred position, he should be in it because he's excellent there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My point was that a players whims do not always necessarily equal reality. Your initial comment seemed to suggest otherwise.
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Originally posted by JSV:
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My point was that a players whims do not always necessarily equal reality. Your initial comment seemed to suggest otherwise.</strong><hr></blockquote>


A players whims???

John O'Shea is, imho, a better CB than Wes Brown. Nothing to do with the whim of the player, but more with the fact that if he is comfortable playing CB, it's in the best interest of the club to keep him there.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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A players whims???

John O'Shea is, imho, a better CB than Wes Brown. Nothing to do with the whim of the player, but more with the fact that if he is comfortable playing CB, it's in the best interest of the club to keep him there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes Livvie, I was just pointing out what a player is more comfortable with does not always equate what is best for the team, like Beckham in the middle for example. Your first comment about if O'Shea prefers playing there then he should didn't mention this, thats all.
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Yes Livvie, I was just pointing out what a player is more comfortable with does not always equate what is best for the team, like Beckham in the middle for example. Your first comment about if O'Shea prefers playing there then he should didn't mention this, thats all.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know what you're getting at JSV, but its important to play a player in their favoured position, because they're happiest in it. And besides, although John has down well wherever he's played, he's a centreback if ever I saw one.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>O'Shea and Alex have said that O'Shea is primarily a centre back and will be played that way. But its handy for him to be cover when Gary is injured. At least until we buy a new rightback.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Brown is also primarily a centre back. Can't have three of them in your beloved 4-4-2.

We could play 5-3-2 though:

-------------------- Ricardo ;) ------------------

----------- Brown ---- Rio ---- O'Shea -----------

-- GNev ---------------------------------- Silv --

-------- Beckham ---- Keane ---- Verón -----------

--------------- RVN -------- Solskjaer -----------

Yes, no Giggs, because you don't need wingers in a 5-3-2.

Probably not your cup of tea that though?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Brown is also primarily a centre back. Can't have three of them in your beloved 4-4-2.

We could play 5-3-2 though:

-------------------- Ricardo ;) ------------------

----------- Brown ---- Rio ---- O'Shea -----------

-- GNev ---------------------------------- Silv --

-------- Beckham ---- Keane ---- Verón -----------

--------------- RVN -------- Solskjaer -----------

Yes, no Giggs, because you don't need wingers in a 5-3-2.

Probably not your cup of tea that though?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't mind a 3-5-2 but I'm not sure we've got the right players for it, or how effective it would be in the PL. Yes we have 3 great young centre backs, but two of them are injury prone, so I doubt it'll be a problem, and its good to rotate anyway.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I don't mind a 3-5-2 but I'm not sure we've got the right players for it, or how effective it would be in the PL. Yes we have 3 great young centre backs, but two of them are injury prone, so I doubt it'll be a problem, and its good to rotate anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I don't know, Gary is pretty good going forward, and Silvestre like to get forward too (takes it way too far in a 4-4-2/4-5-1 which is one of the reasons behind Giggsy's poor showings IMO. It's Giggs that should be getting to the byline with it in our recent formations, not Silvestre.) But you're probably right in that they are not the ideal wing backs.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But where is JOS happier?

If he's happier at CB, that's where he should be.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think given the injury situation before the Hammers game it was either play Wes at RB or JOS at RB. Whenever I've seen Wes play at RB he looks distinctly uncomfortable. Defensively he drifts back to the centre & he doesn't really add much in attack. JOS has already played at RB a few times and done well - seems to enjoy getting forward as well. So given the limited options I think it was the right decision. And both JOS & Wes had good games I thought.
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For me I prefer him at CB but he seems to be an awesome player regardless! Should be in the team at full strength!
 
I think both O'Shea and Wes are more suitable as CB. They both have great skill and their height and physical present make them perfect CB. They are both volatile enough to play as RB, but I don't think they can become world class on that position.
 
This may cause an uproar but if you are open minded you will understand it

O Shea is a better player than G Nev, he has the power, the speed and the technique needed. Yet he is still not experienced enough to play centre back regulary (Haifa game showed us) and G Nev silly mistakes cannot be tolerated in the heart of the defense

My plan is this push O Shea on the right to gain experience. Bring in a new experienced defender to partner Rio,put G NEV and Brown on the bench and sell P Nev.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>I think both O'Shea and Wes are more suitable as CB. They both have great skill and their height and physical present make them perfect CB. They are both volatile enough to play as RB, but I don't think they can become world class on that position.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Right, so we need to play 5-3-2 with Brown, Ferdinand, and O'Shea in the middle, so out with G & P Neville, out with Silvestre, out with Giggs, and we need to buy two good wing backs. Bobby Carlos and who?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Right, so we need to play 5-3-2 with Brown, Ferdinand, and O'Shea in the middle, so out with G & P Neville, out with Silvestre, out with Giggs, and we need to buy two good wing backs. Bobby Carlos and who?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Emerton? Castroman? Sorin instead of Carlos.
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if Rio continues the way he's done so far, then Wes & OShea should be given the chance to pair at CB. Rio shouldnt be kept in the team if he's not playing to form..
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>if Rio continues the way he's done so far, then Wes & OShea should be given the chance to pair at CB. Rio shouldnt be kept in the team if he's not playing to form..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Rio's only just arrived and has had 3 injuries interrupting him - I think he's down well considering.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Rio's only just arrived and has had 3 injuries interrupting him - I think he's down well considering.</strong><hr></blockquote>

that sicknote quality's a bit worrying though no? hope he can stay fitter.

o'shea may be too young for it now but he seems such a competent player that he could even play holding midfield very well
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O Shea should be playing atcentre back and should have been since the start of the season.He has been consistently our best defender all season and Fergie should have himself and Rio bedded down and settled by now,his failure to do so is the main reason for our inconsistancies.This talk about him not being ready is quite frankly- bollocks!He is an outstanding defender and is only going to get better
 
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